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Re: [eclipse-dev] Lightweight M1 for September release

> Oomph is wonderful technology to get people bootstrapped for working on the project. I still feel it is underestimated by the core developers how this can really lower the boundary for new developers,

I second that. We have developers working on BIRT and WindowBuilder in 15 minutes.

e.g. https://github.com/eclipse/birt#create-a-birt-development-environment


On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 10:57, Rolf Theunissen <rolf.theunissen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
AFAIK, Ed already provides an Oomph setup that installs the nightly for the platform SDK, select the platform SDK product. Just run update every day and you are good to go. Even there is a page on the wiki which tells you how to do it.

Oomph is wonderful technology to get people bootstrapped for working on the project. I still feel it is underestimated by the core developers how this can really lower the boundary for new developers, but also power users could make a (customized) setup that runs in 1 click that gives a fully bootstrapped environment, e.g. latest nightly all additional plugins used and all projects cloned.

Rolf

Op ma 2 mei 2022 21:35 schreef Hannes Wellmann <wellmann.hannes1@xxxxxxx>:
The argument that it would help more if committers and others would use the I-builds regularly helps more than having freeze-weeks during milestones is pretty convincing for me. But I agree that it would be good if as many people as possible would use the I-builds.
I think the I-builds would be simpler to use (and then used more) if they could be consumed via Oomph. I'm thinking of a Product version like 'Nightly' that one can select besides 'Latest' or 'Latest Released'.
But I'm not sure if this is feasible (without too much work) since the Products are assembled by EPP and the I-builds only handle the Eclipse-SDK. But maybe the Nightly could simple consist of the latest (milestone) release repos plus the current I-Build repo of the Eclipse-SDK.
 
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Von: "Mickael Istria" <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Betreff: Re: [eclipse-dev] Lightweight M1 for September release
 
 
On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 5:02 PM Andrey Loskutov <loskutov@xxxxxx> wrote:
I would rather (once again) raise the awareness of the active committers about "eating your own dog food" and use the milestone week to actually try the latest greatest nightly builds.
 
I agree that committers, and more, need to use the nightly builds and that it is a critical part of the project quality process. However, do we need a dedicated milestone week for that? Would there be some other/better way of achieving that result? And if we have some guarantees that all active committers are using nightly builds anyway, do we need a milestone/freeze week or can we assume that most developers using latest build is enough to find most issues? If not, what is missing for us to find such issues as part of our daily work?
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