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WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for June 8, 2010 Conference Call

WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for June 8, 2010 Conference Call

Call Info

Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030
Alternate: 770-615-1247
Access code: 173098#
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Call Time: 8:00 AM Pacific; 11:00 AM Eastern; 1500 UTC


PMC Members

  • David Williams: Y
  • Naci Dai: N
  • Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y
  • Neil Hauge: Y
  • Tim deBoer: Y
  • Kaloyan Raev: Y

Announcements and General Business

  • PMC Review for RC4 PMC Approval Summary page.
  • Any other release issues? Final build today?
  • Docuware and IP Log submitted on time.

    I did receive query about JSDT ... IP Staff surprised they were releasing/graduating. (remember to communicate that seperately, next time)

    Still not listed on what's new page. They said we would be once IP docs approved.

  • Helios in Action (2 slots!)
  • Discuss Konstantin's request to PMC:

    See original message.

    This is a request to have a move review. June 8 meeting for questions and discussion, and the PMC will make a decision/position within a few weeks after that.

    Related information and links:

  • Rough notes from meeting.

    Konstantin presented the reasons he'd like the Faceted project code outside of WTP.

    Partially for appearance and visibility as a generally useful framework, not specific to webtools. Broaden appeal, broaden adoption.

    He was pretty direct that the move was to have independent governance, that in his view of open source development, the individual person who works on some framework code should have final say in what they do with that code (that they could not be vetoed by other committers in the project).

    He sees the framework's 2.x code as a fresh start, with his own API Policy (not WTP's) which would include removing all the currently deprecated API The current API would be renamed to its own package namespace. (The current/continued 1.x stream would keep same namespace and API as it has now, and he'd try to maintain compatibility, having the old code call out to the new code.)

    The new v2 framework would offer some new UI work. clean API (no deprecated API). No "core api" additions or concepts were mentioned.

    He said there were no other adopters, beyond WTP. Some recent discussions came from PDT (who prereq WTP). He has discussed with CDT, but Doug said "interesting, but no time or people to do right now". Konstantin would also like to pitch to PDE team, if he had independent project.

    As to why "more efficient" to do both old and new code in one project, he mentioned then they could have a common build.

    He acknowledged the incubating state of current Faceted Project project, and thought it would not take much to get graduated. (He mentioned work on build).

    He acknowledged there was not much community in the new Incubating project,, in terms of adoption, mailing lists, newsgroups, bugzilla, which he attributes to the "chicken and egg" phenomena.

    When asked about having other committers in the new project, he said he would like very much if others made substantial contributions to the code (but no one has so far, and no one has shown much interest).

    He said he could not think of any alternatives, such as (my offhand suggestion) having a sub-sub-project of WTP's Common Tools project would not solve the governance problem, he said.

    Overall, I think the meeting/discussion accomplished what it should have (increased our understanding, give him a chance to explain).

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