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WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 14, 2008 Conference Call

WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 14, 2008 Conference Call

Call Info

Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030
Alternate: 770-615-1247
Access code: 269746#
Full list of phone numbers

Call Time: 1500 UTC

Announcements and General Business

  • For your awareness: Mozilla Labs pursues Web dev tools

    Possible relationship to ATF so should stay aware.

  • Reactions to the proposal to have Faceted Project Framework move to Technology Project?

    Very interesting discussion with many points expressed. Server View and Installable Runtimes are two other possible (future) "common" components.

    Immediate action is to note the glitch in the process already and simply note that there are concerns about moving it out of WTP that would have to be worked-trough and addressed. Additionally, we all wondered why it was that it could not stay in the WTP Commons project, was it just the name? WTP specific processes?

    [Just by coincidence, I was on another call with Konstantin later in the day and he added a few other bits of information that partially answer these. One was that he doesn't view this as "moving" but simply "incubating" something new in the Technology project, and once it graduates from there, then it might find a new home (in theory, for example, Platform, Tools...). Another was that he believes "if in WTP then no one will adopt (even if packaged separately)". That's kind'a sad!? and/or I do not understand how Technology would be any better.]

    We all agreed it is important of use as the WTP PMC to foster the evolution of Eclipse, while at the same time ensuring the business interests of WTP.

  • Discussion of possible contributions that use Apache Velocity.

    Dali _might_ use for Entity generation. It could use Velocity templates, instead of .JET as it currently does. We asked if the EMF's modeling's model-to-text components might offer an eclipse-based solution? (i.e. their jet2 be used instead? (we're not sure if "jet2" is correct name)).

    We concluded there was no obvious reason to object outright, but any contribution which pulls in further dependencies would get extra scrutiny, and that this PMC discussion today, by itself, does not mean it's "accepted" of course ... just that we would not object a priori.

Reports, Actions, Issues

Architecture: Tim deBoer


Education: Naci Dai

Please review: Resource Page Proposal

Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":

  1. web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)
  2. web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)
  3. enterprise application (jpa/ejb)
  4. soa, webservices
  5. adopters/extending (maybe)

Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words

Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.

New Bugzilla component created: "Education".

We will publish education materials under Creative Commons -- Attribution Share Alike but still EPL for sample code, examples and snippets.


Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan

Planning Process Document has been started.

Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a Planning Council message (and elsewhere).

Raghu's Preliminary Note (to PMC PLs)

As you all know, we need to create the project plan for WTP-Galileo in the standard project plan format provided by the Foundation. We also need to create a plan for each subproject. So I have created the first cut of the plan for most of the active subprojects in WTP.

I need you to update the projectplanurl field for your project from the Eclipse Portal. For help, see the HOWTO/Project_Meta-Data. I don't have the permission to update this for all the subprojects. Once you do that, you can view the plan by going to the standard home for your project, For example, see the one for webtools as a whole, scroll down to the Project Plan section and click on the link that says, "pending standard form".

I would appreciate if you could try this and report your findings at the PMC call tomorrow. I (and David) have had mixed experiences in viewing this file and hence I want you to test it out before I mail this to all the other leads.

Following are the URLs to use for each of the subprojects:

  • EJB Tools:
  • Dali:
  • Server Tools:
  • Releng:

For the community to consume, I am hoping I can aggregate the plans to one plan.


Planning: David Williams

long term items to track

  • ?Pre 1.0 release of ATF component mid October?
  • JPT 2.1 (need release review)
  • 2009, Galileo Release


Quality: Neil Hauge

Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.
Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).


WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev


General business?

bugs to watch

Other projects to watch:

PMC Calendar

  • Eclipse World
    Raghu and Neil have submitted.
  • Eclipse European Summit.
    Kaloyan "wtp project"
    Naci will attend but (probably) not present.
    Neil has submitted for Dali (and Eclipse link)
    Cameron and JSF
  • EclipseCon 2009. September we'll start recruiting talks.

Back to meeting list.

Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.

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