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WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 07, 2008 Conference Call

WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 07, 2008 Conference Call

Call Info

Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030
Alternate: 770-615-1247
Access code: 269746#
Full list of phone numbers

Call Time: 1500 UTC


PMC Members

  • David Williams: Y
  • Naci Dai: N
  • Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y
  • Neil Hauge: Y
  • Tim deBoer: Y
  • Kaloyan Raev Y

Announcements and General Business

We discussed bug 249347 and agreed it was within scope of 3.0.3 (even though it is "on the edge", or in a grey area). We'll do what we can to support the effort, but must minimize any changes in behavior. Also, we'd like an improved fix in future releases so it is a more publicly visible and well documented preference, instead of a only a preference that only knowing adopters can set to override or replace WTP behavior. While we want WTP to be a platform that others can enhance we want, as a general rule, to encourage "add-on function" patterns of use, instead of "replace function" patterns of use. The former takes more work, to document, to create API, to resolve conflicts, etc., but allows all providers to contribute in the participating nature of Eclipse plugins ... instead of promoting that "the product is in charge of everything" and gives end-users the ability to control how things work and what function they use.

Reports, Actions, Issues

Education: Naci Dai

Please review: Resource Page Proposal

Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":

  1. web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)
  2. web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)
  3. enterprise application (jpa/ejb)
  4. soa, webservices
  5. adopters/extending (maybe)

Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words

Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.

New Bugzilla component created: "Education".

We will publish education materials under Creative Commons - Attribution Share Alike but still EPL for sample code, examples and snippets.


Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan

Planning Process Document has been started.

Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a Planning Council message (and elsewhere).

Raghu's Preliminary Note (to PMC PLs)

As you all know, we need to create the project plan for WTP-Galileo in the standard project plan format provided by the Foundation. We also need to create a plan for each subproject. So I have created the first cut of the plan for most of the active subprojects in WTP.

I need you to update the projectplanurl field for your project from the Eclipse Portal. For help, see the HOWTO/Project_Meta-Data. I don’t have the permission to update this for all the subprojects. Once you do that, you can view the plan by going to the standard home for your project, For example, see the one for webtools as a whole, scroll down to the Project Plan section and click on the link that says, "pending standard form".

I would appreciate if you could try this and report your findings at the PMC call tomorrow. I (and David) have had mixed experiences in viewing this file and hence I want you to test it out before I mail this to all the other leads.

Following are the URLs to use for each of the subprojects:

  • EJB Tools:
  • Dali:
  • Server Tools:
  • Releng:

For the community to consume, I am hoping I can aggregate the plans to one plan.


Planning: David Williams

long term items to track

  • ?Pre 1.0 release of ATF component mid October?
  • JPT 2.1 (need release review)
  • 2009, Galileo Release


Quality: Neil Hauge

Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.
Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).


WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev


Architecture: Tim deBoer


General business?

bugs to watch

Other projects to watch:

PMC Calendar

  • Eclipse World
    Raghu and Neil have submitted.
  • Eclipse European Summit.
    Kaloyan "wtp project"
    Naci will attend but (probably) not present.
    Neil has submitted for Dali (and Eclipse link)
    Cameron and JSF
  • EclipseCon 2009. September we'll start recruiting talks.

Back to meeting list.

Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.

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