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Status of Gef Project [message #223058] Mon, 18 September 2006 17:50 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: something.eclipse.org

Hello,
I have been developing eclipse plugins for a while now, and am about
to start my first GEF based plugin/product. Gef seems to be a perfect
fit in many ways for the things I want to provide. However, I get a
little nervous about basing a commercial tool on GEF when it seems that
resources have been pulled back somewhat by IBM. I am grateful for
everything that is there now, but there could be serious impact for me
if development slows even further, serious bugs aren't addressed, etc.
My question is about the current status and near terms plans for
GEF. I know there are no assurances and plans change, but I thought
maybe there is some idea in the community about the future of the
project. I have checked the website and here in the newsgroup, but I
couldn't find any information.

thanks,
adam
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #223098 is a reply to message #223058] Wed, 20 September 2006 00:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anthony Hunter is currently offline Anthony Hunter
Messages: 446
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Adam

I suppose this post will almost sound like an announcement of sorts.

The IBM Rational Software GMF team in Canada has taken over responsibility
of GEF. We actually took over this responsibility back in the first quarter
2006. You likely have seen the posts from Steve Shaw, Mohammed Mostafa,
Cherie Mahoney (Revells) and others, as well as builds put together by Tom
MacDougall. In fact, the GEF 3.2 release was assembled by the GMF team.

I will agree that for GEF 3.2.1, it was pretty quiet. Quite frankly this is
a reflection of the stability of GEF and the excellent work Randy, Pratik
and others have put into GEF over the years.

We did manage to get one critical GEF Bugzilla resolved into a new GEF 3.2.1
maintenance build. I will post when it is available this week. The GEF 3.2.1
maintenance release will also be part of the Eclipse 3.2.1 Callisto release
train.

Going forward we have tentatively triaged a bunch of Bugzillas to the next
GEF 3.2.2 maintenance release.
We also plan to post GEF 3.3 plans in the coming months.

As always, if you have any questions or concerns, let us know.

Cheers...
Anthony
--
Anthony Hunter
Manager: Eclipse GMF + GEF
IBM Rational Software: Aurora / Modeling Tools

"AdamC" <something@eclipse.org> wrote in message
news:eemm90$s2i$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Hello,
> I have been developing eclipse plugins for a while now, and am about to
> start my first GEF based plugin/product. Gef seems to be a perfect fit in
> many ways for the things I want to provide. However, I get a little
> nervous about basing a commercial tool on GEF when it seems that resources
> have been pulled back somewhat by IBM. I am grateful for everything that
> is there now, but there could be serious impact for me if development
> slows even further, serious bugs aren't addressed, etc.
> My question is about the current status and near terms plans for GEF.
> I know there are no assurances and plans change, but I thought maybe there
> is some idea in the community about the future of the project. I have
> checked the website and here in the newsgroup, but I couldn't find any
> information.
>
> thanks,
> adam
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #223141 is a reply to message #223098] Wed, 20 September 2006 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: something.eclipse.org

thanks so much for the update! It is really nice to know there are
updates on the way. I'm fairly new to gef, but I have been impressed so
far with how easy it is to put together an editor. I can't wait to see
what you have in mind for 3.3.

adam

Anthony Hunter wrote:
> Hi Adam
>
> I suppose this post will almost sound like an announcement of sorts.
>
> The IBM Rational Software GMF team in Canada has taken over responsibility
> of GEF. We actually took over this responsibility back in the first quarter
> 2006. You likely have seen the posts from Steve Shaw, Mohammed Mostafa,
> Cherie Mahoney (Revells) and others, as well as builds put together by Tom
> MacDougall. In fact, the GEF 3.2 release was assembled by the GMF team.
>
> I will agree that for GEF 3.2.1, it was pretty quiet. Quite frankly this is
> a reflection of the stability of GEF and the excellent work Randy, Pratik
> and others have put into GEF over the years.
>
> We did manage to get one critical GEF Bugzilla resolved into a new GEF 3.2.1
> maintenance build. I will post when it is available this week. The GEF 3.2.1
> maintenance release will also be part of the Eclipse 3.2.1 Callisto release
> train.
>
> Going forward we have tentatively triaged a bunch of Bugzillas to the next
> GEF 3.2.2 maintenance release.
> We also plan to post GEF 3.3 plans in the coming months.
>
> As always, if you have any questions or concerns, let us know.
>
> Cheers...
> Anthony
> --
> Anthony Hunter
> Manager: Eclipse GMF + GEF
> IBM Rational Software: Aurora / Modeling Tools
>
> "AdamC" <something@eclipse.org> wrote in message
> news:eemm90$s2i$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>> Hello,
>> I have been developing eclipse plugins for a while now, and am about to
>> start my first GEF based plugin/product. Gef seems to be a perfect fit in
>> many ways for the things I want to provide. However, I get a little
>> nervous about basing a commercial tool on GEF when it seems that resources
>> have been pulled back somewhat by IBM. I am grateful for everything that
>> is there now, but there could be serious impact for me if development
>> slows even further, serious bugs aren't addressed, etc.
>> My question is about the current status and near terms plans for GEF.
>> I know there are no assurances and plans change, but I thought maybe there
>> is some idea in the community about the future of the project. I have
>> checked the website and here in the newsgroup, but I couldn't find any
>> information.
>>
>> thanks,
>> adam
>
>
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #223218 is a reply to message #223098] Thu, 21 September 2006 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jin Missing name is currently offline Jin Missing name
Messages: 100
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Anthony:

Good New:) Randy, Pratik and old friends seem still here:) I suggest putting
some advanced presentation works in GMF down into the GEF 3.3 and more
enhancement could be added into GEF 3.3. Waitting for...Good:)

Jin
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #231697 is a reply to message #223141] Wed, 14 March 2007 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adam Cabler is currently offline Adam Cabler
Messages: 113
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
I have mentioned this before, but I still haven't seen much activity.
The project plan doesn't have any real information and hasn't been
updated in months. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I can't find any
bugs targeted at 3.3. Most of the planned fixes for 3.2.2 weren't
resolved, but are still targeted. Also, I can't get a response as to
whats happening to the project.
Is anyone else concerned about this? The reason for my frustration is
that I have real products based on GEF, like many of you, and I'm
worried its headed for the archive heap. If that's the case, I would at
least like to know so I can prepare accordingly.

thanks,
adam

AdamC wrote:
> thanks so much for the update! It is really nice to know there are
> updates on the way. I'm fairly new to gef, but I have been impressed so
> far with how easy it is to put together an editor. I can't wait to see
> what you have in mind for 3.3.
>
> adam
>
> Anthony Hunter wrote:
>> Hi Adam
>>
>> I suppose this post will almost sound like an announcement of sorts.
>>
>> The IBM Rational Software GMF team in Canada has taken over
>> responsibility of GEF. We actually took over this responsibility back
>> in the first quarter 2006. You likely have seen the posts from Steve
>> Shaw, Mohammed Mostafa, Cherie Mahoney (Revells) and others, as well
>> as builds put together by Tom MacDougall. In fact, the GEF 3.2 release
>> was assembled by the GMF team.
>>
>> I will agree that for GEF 3.2.1, it was pretty quiet. Quite frankly
>> this is a reflection of the stability of GEF and the excellent work
>> Randy, Pratik and others have put into GEF over the years.
>>
>> We did manage to get one critical GEF Bugzilla resolved into a new GEF
>> 3.2.1 maintenance build. I will post when it is available this week.
>> The GEF 3.2.1 maintenance release will also be part of the Eclipse
>> 3.2.1 Callisto release train.
>>
>> Going forward we have tentatively triaged a bunch of Bugzillas to the
>> next GEF 3.2.2 maintenance release.
>> We also plan to post GEF 3.3 plans in the coming months.
>>
>> As always, if you have any questions or concerns, let us know.
>>
>> Cheers...
>> Anthony
>> --
>> Anthony Hunter
>> Manager: Eclipse GMF + GEF
>> IBM Rational Software: Aurora / Modeling Tools
>>
>> "AdamC" <something@eclipse.org> wrote in message
>> news:eemm90$s2i$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>>> Hello,
>>> I have been developing eclipse plugins for a while now, and am
>>> about to start my first GEF based plugin/product. Gef seems to be a
>>> perfect fit in many ways for the things I want to provide. However,
>>> I get a little nervous about basing a commercial tool on GEF when it
>>> seems that resources have been pulled back somewhat by IBM. I am
>>> grateful for everything that is there now, but there could be serious
>>> impact for me if development slows even further, serious bugs aren't
>>> addressed, etc.
>>> My question is about the current status and near terms plans for
>>> GEF. I know there are no assurances and plans change, but I thought
>>> maybe there is some idea in the community about the future of the
>>> project. I have checked the website and here in the newsgroup, but I
>>> couldn't find any information.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> adam
>>
>>
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #231706 is a reply to message #231697] Wed, 14 March 2007 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: alnospammajor.noboxspamspoon.com

i'm not concerned. it's open source. i'd suggest that everyone
contribute patches / fixes / enhancements. if enough of them pile up
without being integrated into a future release, someone will eventually
fork GEF.

AdamC wrote:
> I have mentioned this before, but I still haven't seen much activity.
> The project plan doesn't have any real information and hasn't been
> updated in months. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I can't find any
> bugs targeted at 3.3. Most of the planned fixes for 3.2.2 weren't
> resolved, but are still targeted. Also, I can't get a response as to
> whats happening to the project.
> Is anyone else concerned about this? The reason for my frustration is
> that I have real products based on GEF, like many of you, and I'm
> worried its headed for the archive heap. If that's the case, I would at
> least like to know so I can prepare accordingly.
>
> thanks,
> adam
>
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #231728 is a reply to message #231697] Thu, 15 March 2007 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anthony Hunter is currently offline Anthony Hunter
Messages: 446
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Adam.

If a Bugzilla is not assigned to a milestone, your best bet is to add a
comment that you are interested in seeing the issue fixed in the current
release and cc yourself to the Bugzilla. Even better would be to pitch in a
offer to contribute a patch that fixes the issue.

Cheers...
Anthony


"AdamC" <acabler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:et9i6q$sgc$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>I have mentioned this before, but I still haven't seen much activity. The
>project plan doesn't have any real information and hasn't been updated in
>months. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I can't find any bugs targeted
>at 3.3. Most of the planned fixes for 3.2.2 weren't resolved, but are
>still targeted. Also, I can't get a response as to whats happening to the
>project.
> Is anyone else concerned about this? The reason for my frustration is
> that I have real products based on GEF, like many of you, and I'm worried
> its headed for the archive heap. If that's the case, I would at least
> like to know so I can prepare accordingly.
>
> thanks,
> adam
>
> AdamC wrote:
>> thanks so much for the update! It is really nice to know there are
>> updates on the way. I'm fairly new to gef, but I have been impressed so
>> far with how easy it is to put together an editor. I can't wait to see
>> what you have in mind for 3.3.
>>
>> adam
>>
>> Anthony Hunter wrote:
>>> Hi Adam
>>>
>>> I suppose this post will almost sound like an announcement of sorts.
>>>
>>> The IBM Rational Software GMF team in Canada has taken over
>>> responsibility of GEF. We actually took over this responsibility back in
>>> the first quarter 2006. You likely have seen the posts from Steve Shaw,
>>> Mohammed Mostafa, Cherie Mahoney (Revells) and others, as well as builds
>>> put together by Tom MacDougall. In fact, the GEF 3.2 release was
>>> assembled by the GMF team.
>>>
>>> I will agree that for GEF 3.2.1, it was pretty quiet. Quite frankly this
>>> is a reflection of the stability of GEF and the excellent work Randy,
>>> Pratik and others have put into GEF over the years.
>>>
>>> We did manage to get one critical GEF Bugzilla resolved into a new GEF
>>> 3.2.1 maintenance build. I will post when it is available this week. The
>>> GEF 3.2.1 maintenance release will also be part of the Eclipse 3.2.1
>>> Callisto release train.
>>>
>>> Going forward we have tentatively triaged a bunch of Bugzillas to the
>>> next GEF 3.2.2 maintenance release.
>>> We also plan to post GEF 3.3 plans in the coming months.
>>>
>>> As always, if you have any questions or concerns, let us know.
>>>
>>> Cheers...
>>> Anthony
>>> --
>>> Anthony Hunter
>>> Manager: Eclipse GMF + GEF
>>> IBM Rational Software: Aurora / Modeling Tools
>>>
>>> "AdamC" <something@eclipse.org> wrote in message
>>> news:eemm90$s2i$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I have been developing eclipse plugins for a while now, and am about
>>>> to start my first GEF based plugin/product. Gef seems to be a perfect
>>>> fit in many ways for the things I want to provide. However, I get a
>>>> little nervous about basing a commercial tool on GEF when it seems that
>>>> resources have been pulled back somewhat by IBM. I am grateful for
>>>> everything that is there now, but there could be serious impact for me
>>>> if development slows even further, serious bugs aren't addressed, etc.
>>>> My question is about the current status and near terms plans for
>>>> GEF. I know there are no assurances and plans change, but I thought
>>>> maybe there is some idea in the community about the future of the
>>>> project. I have checked the website and here in the newsgroup, but I
>>>> couldn't find any information.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> adam
>>>
>>>
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #231881 is a reply to message #231697] Tue, 20 March 2007 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Maier is currently offline Thomas Maier
Messages: 117
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
AdamC schrieb:
> I have mentioned this before, but I still haven't seen much activity.
> The project plan doesn't have any real information and hasn't been
> updated in months. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I can't find any
> bugs targeted at 3.3. Most of the planned fixes for 3.2.2 weren't
> resolved, but are still targeted. Also, I can't get a response as to
> whats happening to the project.
> Is anyone else concerned about this? The reason for my frustration is
> that I have real products based on GEF, like many of you, and I'm
> worried its headed for the archive heap. If that's the case, I would
> at least like to know so I can prepare accordingly.

Hi Adam, same here, and I am concerned. While one of my requests at
bugs.eclipse.org has been replied to by Anthony after 2 weeks, two other
of them are there unreplied for almost a year now. Although Anthony
said "Who starting these rumors, no GEF is not dead, it was never even
sick.", I am afraid development of GEF has ceased. Although I hope it
is just a "temporary" (albeit quite long lasting now) slowdown and/or
the GEF team not optimally communicating to the outside, it just does
not look active anymore.

Regards, Thomas.
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #231924 is a reply to message #231881] Tue, 20 March 2007 15:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anthony Hunter is currently offline Anthony Hunter
Messages: 446
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Thomas and Adam,

Before we start down the road of developing an adversarial relationship with
the Eclipse community, I would like to remind you that there is no
entitlement to service in open source. The only way to get what you want is
to join the community.

You can contribute to improvement by making some concrete contributions. I
would start by looking up the Bugzillas you want fixed and access how you
have contributed to that end.

Did you help the committers isolate the problem and see it with their own
eyes?
Did you provide detailed instructions so that they can make it fail for
themselves?
Did you attach a failing JUnit test or code snippet reproducing the problem?
Did you attach a patch that solves the issue?

Cheers...
Anthony

"Thomas Maier" <Thomas.Maier@uni-kassel.de> wrote in message
news:45FF9F36.1080308@uni-kassel.de...
> AdamC schrieb:
>> I have mentioned this before, but I still haven't seen much activity.
>> The project plan doesn't have any real information and hasn't been
>> updated in months. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I can't find any
>> bugs targeted at 3.3. Most of the planned fixes for 3.2.2 weren't
>> resolved, but are still targeted. Also, I can't get a response as to
>> whats happening to the project.
>> Is anyone else concerned about this? The reason for my frustration is
>> that I have real products based on GEF, like many of you, and I'm
>> worried its headed for the archive heap. If that's the case, I would
>> at least like to know so I can prepare accordingly.
>
> Hi Adam, same here, and I am concerned. While one of my requests at
> bugs.eclipse.org has been replied to by Anthony after 2 weeks, two other
> of them are there unreplied for almost a year now. Although Anthony
> said "Who starting these rumors, no GEF is not dead, it was never even
> sick.", I am afraid development of GEF has ceased. Although I hope it
> is just a "temporary" (albeit quite long lasting now) slowdown and/or
> the GEF team not optimally communicating to the outside, it just does
> not look active anymore.
>
> Regards, Thomas.
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #232566 is a reply to message #231924] Mon, 02 April 2007 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Maier is currently offline Thomas Maier
Messages: 117
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Anthony,

I am not a native English speaker but I am not aware that my words sound
in any way demanding. I know the game of open source. And I sure tried
joining the community by posting a report about what I think is a bug.

And if "adversarial" means what I just looked up in an online
dictionary, then I must say the only one that I feel is getting
adversarial is you, Anthony. IMO, not being able to express critics,
frustration or fear in a what I feel objective way without pissing off
developers just does not serve anybody.

So I looked again at bug report 143227. I think I posted a description
that is precise enough to let anybody reproduce what I described as a
bug. I did not attach a JUnit test nor a code snippet because simple
user action reproduces it. I could not attach a patch because although
I actually (really!) tried to find my way through the code it is one of
the many areas that I do not understand enough to do that. Had I been
given a few pointers, maybe I could have done it.

I filed that report almost one year ago. Not a single follow up. All I
want is _some_ reaction so that I know I am not _ignored_. To know
somebody at the other end actually _cares_ for the users that _want_ to
join the community.

Regards, Thomas.


> Thomas and Adam,
>
> Before we start down the road of developing an adversarial relationship with
> the Eclipse community, I would like to remind you that there is no
> entitlement to service in open source. The only way to get what you want is
> to join the community.
>
> You can contribute to improvement by making some concrete contributions. I
> would start by looking up the Bugzillas you want fixed and access how you
> have contributed to that end.
>
> Did you help the committers isolate the problem and see it with their own
> eyes?
> Did you provide detailed instructions so that they can make it fail for
> themselves?
> Did you attach a failing JUnit test or code snippet reproducing the problem?
> Did you attach a patch that solves the issue?
>
> Cheers...
> Anthony
>
> "Thomas Maier" <Thomas.Maier@uni-kassel.de> wrote in message
> news:45FF9F36.1080308@uni-kassel.de...
>
>> AdamC schrieb:
>>
>>> I have mentioned this before, but I still haven't seen much activity.
>>> The project plan doesn't have any real information and hasn't been
>>> updated in months. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I can't find any
>>> bugs targeted at 3.3. Most of the planned fixes for 3.2.2 weren't
>>> resolved, but are still targeted. Also, I can't get a response as to
>>> whats happening to the project.
>>> Is anyone else concerned about this? The reason for my frustration is
>>> that I have real products based on GEF, like many of you, and I'm
>>> worried its headed for the archive heap. If that's the case, I would
>>> at least like to know so I can prepare accordingly.
>>>
>> Hi Adam, same here, and I am concerned. While one of my requests at
>> bugs.eclipse.org has been replied to by Anthony after 2 weeks, two other
>> of them are there unreplied for almost a year now. Although Anthony
>> said "Who starting these rumors, no GEF is not dead, it was never even
>> sick.", I am afraid development of GEF has ceased. Although I hope it
>> is just a "temporary" (albeit quite long lasting now) slowdown and/or
>> the GEF team not optimally communicating to the outside, it just does
>> not look active anymore.
>>
>> Regards, Thomas.
Re: Status of Gef Project [message #232579 is a reply to message #231924] Mon, 02 April 2007 23:45 Go to previous message
Adam Cabler is currently offline Adam Cabler
Messages: 113
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
All I wanted to know was the plan for 3.3. Btw - thanks for the recent
bugzilla activity. I will do my best to contribute where I can.

adam

Anthony Hunter wrote:
> Thomas and Adam,
>
> Before we start down the road of developing an adversarial relationship with
> the Eclipse community, I would like to remind you that there is no
> entitlement to service in open source. The only way to get what you want is
> to join the community.
>
> You can contribute to improvement by making some concrete contributions. I
> would start by looking up the Bugzillas you want fixed and access how you
> have contributed to that end.
>
> Did you help the committers isolate the problem and see it with their own
> eyes?
> Did you provide detailed instructions so that they can make it fail for
> themselves?
> Did you attach a failing JUnit test or code snippet reproducing the problem?
> Did you attach a patch that solves the issue?
>
> Cheers...
> Anthony
>
> "Thomas Maier" <Thomas.Maier@uni-kassel.de> wrote in message
> news:45FF9F36.1080308@uni-kassel.de...
>> AdamC schrieb:
>>> I have mentioned this before, but I still haven't seen much activity.
>>> The project plan doesn't have any real information and hasn't been
>>> updated in months. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I can't find any
>>> bugs targeted at 3.3. Most of the planned fixes for 3.2.2 weren't
>>> resolved, but are still targeted. Also, I can't get a response as to
>>> whats happening to the project.
>>> Is anyone else concerned about this? The reason for my frustration is
>>> that I have real products based on GEF, like many of you, and I'm
>>> worried its headed for the archive heap. If that's the case, I would
>>> at least like to know so I can prepare accordingly.
>> Hi Adam, same here, and I am concerned. While one of my requests at
>> bugs.eclipse.org has been replied to by Anthony after 2 weeks, two other
>> of them are there unreplied for almost a year now. Although Anthony
>> said "Who starting these rumors, no GEF is not dead, it was never even
>> sick.", I am afraid development of GEF has ceased. Although I hope it
>> is just a "temporary" (albeit quite long lasting now) slowdown and/or
>> the GEF team not optimally communicating to the outside, it just does
>> not look active anymore.
>>
>> Regards, Thomas.
>
>
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