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editorProviders extension point [message #177140] Thu, 13 March 2008 10:48 Go to next message
chris is currently offline chris
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Member
Hi,

just a quick and easy question :-) : Is anybody out there succesfully
using the extension point
org.eclipse.gmf.runtime.common.ui.services.editorProviders?

If this is the case, I will keep trying to figure out what I'm doing
wrong, and I will maybe ask for some example code (the code posted in
the "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders ?"
thread doesn't help)...

Thanks in advance,
Chris
Re: editorProviders extension point [message #177194 is a reply to message #177140] Thu, 13 March 2008 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Gronback is currently offline Richard Gronback
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I think it would be helpful for the runtime team to comment on this and
several other extension-points. Specifically, I'm not clear after reviewing
each recently on the value of editorProviders, diagramEventBrokerProvider
(even usable?), and documentProviders, etc.

Perhaps some can be deprecated?

Best,
Rich


On 3/13/08 9:48 AM, in article frbesd$b2o$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
<chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> just a quick and easy question :-) : Is anybody out there succesfully
> using the extension point
> org.eclipse.gmf.runtime.common.ui.services.editorProviders?
>
> If this is the case, I will keep trying to figure out what I'm doing
> wrong, and I will maybe ask for some example code (the code posted in
> the "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders ?"
> thread doesn't help)...
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Chris
Re: editorProviders extension point [message #177430 is a reply to message #177194] Fri, 14 March 2008 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chris is currently offline chris
Messages: 72
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Rich,

in case this helps: Right now I'm using the extension points
editpartProviders and parserProviders, and they work just great as far
as I can see.

Cheers,
Chris


Richard Gronback schrieb:
> I think it would be helpful for the runtime team to comment on this and
> several other extension-points. Specifically, I'm not clear after reviewing
> each recently on the value of editorProviders, diagramEventBrokerProvider
> (even usable?), and documentProviders, etc.
>
> Perhaps some can be deprecated?
>
> Best,
> Rich
>
>
> On 3/13/08 9:48 AM, in article frbesd$b2o$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
> <chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> just a quick and easy question :-) : Is anybody out there succesfully
>> using the extension point
>> org.eclipse.gmf.runtime.common.ui.services.editorProviders?
>>
>> If this is the case, I will keep trying to figure out what I'm doing
>> wrong, and I will maybe ask for some example code (the code posted in
>> the "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders ?"
>> thread doesn't help)...
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Chris
>
Re: editorProviders extension point [message #178083 is a reply to message #177430] Wed, 19 March 2008 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chris is currently offline chris
Messages: 72
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Hi everybody,

since nobody of the GMF team answered on my question, and nobody seems
to work with the mentioned extension point, I guess that it's not usable.

I can live with that - hey, it's OS after all, the things I'm using are
working great, and the ones not working will probably work in the
future. But what I really don't like is the fact that nobody of the GMF
team took two minutes to point out what's going on with these extension
points! With that attitude, you are waisting my time for no reason - I
spent one or two hours figuring out why my code is not being called etc.
:-( And I'm not the only one who asked for that!

Btw: I was thinking about contributing some GMF tutorials - this thing
is not going to increase the chance that I'm really doing that.

Cheers,
Chris


chris schrieb:
> Hi Rich,
>
> in case this helps: Right now I'm using the extension points
> editpartProviders and parserProviders, and they work just great as far
> as I can see.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> Richard Gronback schrieb:
>> I think it would be helpful for the runtime team to comment on this and
>> several other extension-points. Specifically, I'm not clear after
>> reviewing
>> each recently on the value of editorProviders, diagramEventBrokerProvider
>> (even usable?), and documentProviders, etc.
>>
>> Perhaps some can be deprecated?
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/08 9:48 AM, in article frbesd$b2o$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
>> <chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> just a quick and easy question :-) : Is anybody out there succesfully
>>> using the extension point
>>> org.eclipse.gmf.runtime.common.ui.services.editorProviders?
>>>
>>> If this is the case, I will keep trying to figure out what I'm doing
>>> wrong, and I will maybe ask for some example code (the code posted in
>>> the "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders ?"
>>> thread doesn't help)...
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Chris
>>
Re: editorProviders extension point [message #178106 is a reply to message #178083] Wed, 19 March 2008 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Gronback is currently offline Richard Gronback
Messages: 605
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Chris,

Well, I am on the GMF team and I replied indicating that this and some other
extension-points are seemingly incomplete, or not the most useful. With
EclipseCon going on this week, I'm sure there are many other things taking
priority for many.

What were you hoping to achieve by using the editorProviders extension-point
anyway?

Best,
Rich


On 3/19/08 5:22 AM, in article frr0j9$hv$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
<chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> since nobody of the GMF team answered on my question, and nobody seems
> to work with the mentioned extension point, I guess that it's not usable.
>
> I can live with that - hey, it's OS after all, the things I'm using are
> working great, and the ones not working will probably work in the
> future. But what I really don't like is the fact that nobody of the GMF
> team took two minutes to point out what's going on with these extension
> points! With that attitude, you are waisting my time for no reason - I
> spent one or two hours figuring out why my code is not being called etc.
> :-( And I'm not the only one who asked for that!
>
> Btw: I was thinking about contributing some GMF tutorials - this thing
> is not going to increase the chance that I'm really doing that.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> chris schrieb:
>> Hi Rich,
>>
>> in case this helps: Right now I'm using the extension points
>> editpartProviders and parserProviders, and they work just great as far
>> as I can see.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Richard Gronback schrieb:
>>> I think it would be helpful for the runtime team to comment on this and
>>> several other extension-points. Specifically, I'm not clear after
>>> reviewing
>>> each recently on the value of editorProviders, diagramEventBrokerProvider
>>> (even usable?), and documentProviders, etc.
>>>
>>> Perhaps some can be deprecated?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/13/08 9:48 AM, in article frbesd$b2o$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
>>> <chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> just a quick and easy question :-) : Is anybody out there succesfully
>>>> using the extension point
>>>> org.eclipse.gmf.runtime.common.ui.services.editorProviders?
>>>>
>>>> If this is the case, I will keep trying to figure out what I'm doing
>>>> wrong, and I will maybe ask for some example code (the code posted in
>>>> the "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders ?"
>>>> thread doesn't help)...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Chris
>>>
Re: editorProviders extension point [message #178210 is a reply to message #178083] Wed, 19 March 2008 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cherie Revells is currently offline Cherie Revells
Messages: 299
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Chris,

I am on the GMF Runtime Team but have not worked with the particular
code in these extension points. I would need to spend time
investigating how these services are called to understand how these
extension points are to be used. Unfortunately, not everything in the
GMF Runtime is well documented, but I guess sometimes this happens when
code is moved into open source.

The GMF Runtime existed before the GMF Code Generator which means that
clients of the GMF Runtime sometimes did things differently then they
are done now. In particular, I believe the ideas behind how a client
would extend a GMF editor differs now if the code generator is being
used. Therefore, it is possible that not all these three extension
points are required anymore by users of the code generator, but they are
still part of the public API of GMF and still being used by other GMF
Runtime clients.

Regards,
Cherie

chris wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> since nobody of the GMF team answered on my question, and nobody seems
> to work with the mentioned extension point, I guess that it's not usable.
>
> I can live with that - hey, it's OS after all, the things I'm using are
> working great, and the ones not working will probably work in the
> future. But what I really don't like is the fact that nobody of the GMF
> team took two minutes to point out what's going on with these extension
> points! With that attitude, you are waisting my time for no reason - I
> spent one or two hours figuring out why my code is not being called etc.
> :-( And I'm not the only one who asked for that!
>
> Btw: I was thinking about contributing some GMF tutorials - this thing
> is not going to increase the chance that I'm really doing that.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> chris schrieb:
>> Hi Rich,
>>
>> in case this helps: Right now I'm using the extension points
>> editpartProviders and parserProviders, and they work just great as far
>> as I can see.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Richard Gronback schrieb:
>>> I think it would be helpful for the runtime team to comment on this and
>>> several other extension-points. Specifically, I'm not clear after
>>> reviewing
>>> each recently on the value of editorProviders,
>>> diagramEventBrokerProvider
>>> (even usable?), and documentProviders, etc.
>>>
>>> Perhaps some can be deprecated?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/13/08 9:48 AM, in article frbesd$b2o$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
>>> <chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> just a quick and easy question :-) : Is anybody out there succesfully
>>>> using the extension point
>>>> org.eclipse.gmf.runtime.common.ui.services.editorProviders?
>>>>
>>>> If this is the case, I will keep trying to figure out what I'm doing
>>>> wrong, and I will maybe ask for some example code (the code posted in
>>>> the "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders ?"
>>>> thread doesn't help)...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Chris
>>>
Re: editorProviders extension point [message #184009 is a reply to message #178106] Wed, 23 April 2008 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chris is currently offline chris
Messages: 72
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Richard,

sorry for taking so long to answer...

In fact I wasn't aware that you are part of the GMF team - sorry for
that. Additionally, it was also not a perfect moment for insisting on an
answer...

I'm trying to separate the generated from the custom code as strictly as
possible. Since I do have to make some adjustments to the generated
Editor, I would have liked to come up with my own class (which would
extend the generated Editor), and I would have provided that class using
the mentioned extension point (that's how I did it with a couple of
EditParts, and it seems to work great).

Yours,
Chris



Richard Gronback schrieb:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Well, I am on the GMF team and I replied indicating that this and some other
> extension-points are seemingly incomplete, or not the most useful. With
> EclipseCon going on this week, I'm sure there are many other things taking
> priority for many.
>
> What were you hoping to achieve by using the editorProviders extension-point
> anyway?
>
> Best,
> Rich
>
>
> On 3/19/08 5:22 AM, in article frr0j9$hv$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
> <chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> since nobody of the GMF team answered on my question, and nobody seems
>> to work with the mentioned extension point, I guess that it's not usable.
>>
>> I can live with that - hey, it's OS after all, the things I'm using are
>> working great, and the ones not working will probably work in the
>> future. But what I really don't like is the fact that nobody of the GMF
>> team took two minutes to point out what's going on with these extension
>> points! With that attitude, you are waisting my time for no reason - I
>> spent one or two hours figuring out why my code is not being called etc.
>> :-( And I'm not the only one who asked for that!
>>
>> Btw: I was thinking about contributing some GMF tutorials - this thing
>> is not going to increase the chance that I'm really doing that.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> chris schrieb:
>>> Hi Rich,
>>>
>>> in case this helps: Right now I'm using the extension points
>>> editpartProviders and parserProviders, and they work just great as far
>>> as I can see.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Gronback schrieb:
>>>> I think it would be helpful for the runtime team to comment on this and
>>>> several other extension-points. Specifically, I'm not clear after
>>>> reviewing
>>>> each recently on the value of editorProviders, diagramEventBrokerProvider
>>>> (even usable?), and documentProviders, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps some can be deprecated?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/13/08 9:48 AM, in article frbesd$b2o$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
>>>> <chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> just a quick and easy question :-) : Is anybody out there succesfully
>>>>> using the extension point
>>>>> org.eclipse.gmf.runtime.common.ui.services.editorProviders?
>>>>>
>>>>> If this is the case, I will keep trying to figure out what I'm doing
>>>>> wrong, and I will maybe ask for some example code (the code posted in
>>>>> the "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders ?"
>>>>> thread doesn't help)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Chris
>
Re: editorProviders extension point [message #184029 is a reply to message #178210] Wed, 23 April 2008 07:34 Go to previous message
chris is currently offline chris
Messages: 72
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Cherie,

I wasn't aware of these problems, so please accept my excuse for
insisting so much on getting help...

On the other hand: If you (or anybody) would have given this answer e.g.
on thread "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders",
I wouldn't have asked (and complained) any more :-)

Yours,
Chris


Cherie Revells schrieb:
> Chris,
>
> I am on the GMF Runtime Team but have not worked with the particular
> code in these extension points. I would need to spend time
> investigating how these services are called to understand how these
> extension points are to be used. Unfortunately, not everything in the
> GMF Runtime is well documented, but I guess sometimes this happens when
> code is moved into open source.
>
> The GMF Runtime existed before the GMF Code Generator which means that
> clients of the GMF Runtime sometimes did things differently then they
> are done now. In particular, I believe the ideas behind how a client
> would extend a GMF editor differs now if the code generator is being
> used. Therefore, it is possible that not all these three extension
> points are required anymore by users of the code generator, but they are
> still part of the public API of GMF and still being used by other GMF
> Runtime clients.
>
> Regards,
> Cherie
>
> chris wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> since nobody of the GMF team answered on my question, and nobody seems
>> to work with the mentioned extension point, I guess that it's not usable.
>>
>> I can live with that - hey, it's OS after all, the things I'm using
>> are working great, and the ones not working will probably work in the
>> future. But what I really don't like is the fact that nobody of the
>> GMF team took two minutes to point out what's going on with these
>> extension points! With that attitude, you are waisting my time for no
>> reason - I spent one or two hours figuring out why my code is not
>> being called etc. :-( And I'm not the only one who asked for that!
>>
>> Btw: I was thinking about contributing some GMF tutorials - this thing
>> is not going to increase the chance that I'm really doing that.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> chris schrieb:
>>> Hi Rich,
>>>
>>> in case this helps: Right now I'm using the extension points
>>> editpartProviders and parserProviders, and they work just great as
>>> far as I can see.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Gronback schrieb:
>>>> I think it would be helpful for the runtime team to comment on this and
>>>> several other extension-points. Specifically, I'm not clear after
>>>> reviewing
>>>> each recently on the value of editorProviders,
>>>> diagramEventBrokerProvider
>>>> (even usable?), and documentProviders, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps some can be deprecated?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/13/08 9:48 AM, in article frbesd$b2o$1@build.eclipse.org, "chris"
>>>> <chris_42@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> just a quick and easy question :-) : Is anybody out there succesfully
>>>>> using the extension point
>>>>> org.eclipse.gmf.runtime.common.ui.services.editorProviders?
>>>>>
>>>>> If this is the case, I will keep trying to figure out what I'm doing
>>>>> wrong, and I will maybe ask for some example code (the code posted in
>>>>> the "How do we use o.e.gmf.r.common.ui.services.editorProviders ?"
>>>>> thread doesn't help)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>
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