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Mascara Proposal [message #67993] Wed, 14 September 2005 08:52 Go to next message
Philipp is currently offline Philipp
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Chris,

I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. Whats
the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like similar things
are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar improvements. How
does a project proposal become a "project"?

Regards,
-philipp
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Chris,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I really like the idea of mascara and
I really liked the demo on it. Whats the best way to get involved in this
project? It looks like similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT
comes up with similar improvements. How does a project proposal become
a &quot;project&quot;? </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">-philipp</font>
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Re: Mascara Proposal [message #68073 is a reply to message #67993] Wed, 14 September 2005 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Gross is currently offline Chris Gross
Messages: 471
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Philipp,

The proposal will follow the set process set up by Eclipse. As I
understand it the proposal will eventually get to the review stage, be
reviewed and either accepted or rejected. If approved there are tons of
ways you could help, from contributing code, to testing and documentation.

-Chris

philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it.
> Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like
> similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar
> improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?
>
> Regards,
> -philipp
Re: Mascara Proposal [message #68746 is a reply to message #67993] Wed, 14 September 2005 18:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: beatmik.acm.org

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I was also impressed by the demo and it would love to have access to =
these sorts of modern widgets. The timing is good since Microsoft =
*just* announced Expression (demo linked below), and even though I doubt =
that a more "cinematic" user experience will help much in increasing =
productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty. =20

So what are the plans or ideas for authoring/designer tools? Also, will =
this be integrated with the Forms support which is turning out to be =
very useful (but also seems to lack a designer story)? =
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203=20
http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx (requires IE)
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D

Mik
--
Mylar Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylar=20

<philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com> wrote in message =
news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org...

Chris,=20

I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. =
Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like =
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improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?=20

Regards,=20
-philipp
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really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. =
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Re: Mascara Proposal [message #68808 is a reply to message #68746] Thu, 15 September 2005 14:00 Go to previous message
Chris Gross is currently offline Chris Gross
Messages: 471
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Mik,

Hmm. The Expressions stuff looks interesting. Thanks for the links.

I don't know if it makes sense to integrate with Forms. I think Forms
offers more of a framework, where Mascara is more focused on individual
widgets. I hope to keep Mascara very focused so as not to overstep
anyone else and also so I can make sure it all gets done :)

Regarding designer support, that will come too. VE and other design
tools can use any custom widget as long as it supports a Composite,int
constructor. Mascara will enable that. For Forms, doesn't
Instantiations SWT Designer support Form visual design already?

-Chris

Mik Kersten wrote:
> I was also impressed by the demo and it would love to have access
> to these sorts of modern widgets. The timing is good since Microsoft
> *just* announced Expression (demo linked below), and even though I doubt
> that a more "cinematic" user experience will help much in increasing
> productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty.
>
> So what are the plans or ideas for authoring/designer tools? Also, will
> this be integrated with the Forms support which is turning out to be
> very useful (but also seems to lack a designer story)?
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=106203
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx (requires IE)
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=
>
> Mik
> --
> Mylar Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylar
>
> <philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com <mailto:philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com>> wrote
> in message news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org...
>
> Chris,
>
> I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it.
> Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like
> similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with
> similar improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?
>
> Regards,
> -philipp
Re: Mascara Proposal [message #599027 is a reply to message #67993] Wed, 14 September 2005 14:01 Go to previous message
Chris Gross is currently offline Chris Gross
Messages: 471
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Philipp,

The proposal will follow the set process set up by Eclipse. As I
understand it the proposal will eventually get to the review stage, be
reviewed and either accepted or rejected. If approved there are tons of
ways you could help, from contributing code, to testing and documentation.

-Chris

philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it.
> Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like
> similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar
> improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?
>
> Regards,
> -philipp
Re: Mascara Proposal [message #599066 is a reply to message #67993] Wed, 14 September 2005 18:31 Go to previous message
Mik Kersten is currently offline Mik Kersten
Messages: 287
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I was also impressed by the demo and it would love to have access to =
these sorts of modern widgets. The timing is good since Microsoft =
*just* announced Expression (demo linked below), and even though I doubt =
that a more "cinematic" user experience will help much in increasing =
productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty. =20

So what are the plans or ideas for authoring/designer tools? Also, will =
this be integrated with the Forms support which is turning out to be =
very useful (but also seems to lack a designer story)? =
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203=20
http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx (requires IE)
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D

Mik
--
Mylar Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylar=20

<philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com> wrote in message =
news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org...

Chris,=20

I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. =
Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like =
similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar =
improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?=20

Regards,=20
-philipp
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>I was also impressed by the demo and =
it=20
would&nbsp;love to have access to&nbsp;these sorts of modern =
widgets.&nbsp; The=20
timing is good since Microsoft *just* announced Expression (demo linked =
below),=20
and even though I doubt that a more "cinematic" user experience will =
help much=20
in increasing productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty.&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>So what are the plans or ideas for=20
authoring/designer tools?&nbsp; Also, will this be integrated with the =
Forms=20
support which is turning out to be very useful (but also seems to lack a =

designer story)? <A=20
href=3D"https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203">https://b=
ugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203</A>&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><A=20
title= 3Dhttp://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx =20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx">http:=
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IE)<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><A=20
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href=3D"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D">http://biz=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Mik<BR>--<BR>Mylar =
Project Lead, <A=20
href=3D"http://eclipse.org/mylar">http://eclipse.org/mylar</A>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P></DIV>
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=
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e.org</A>...</DIV><BR><FONT=20
face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>Chris,</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT =
face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>I=20
really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. =
Whats the=20
best way to get involved in this project? It looks like similar things =
are=20
developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar improvements. How =
does a=20
project proposal become a "project"? </FONT><BR><BR><FONT =
face=3Dsans-serif=20
size=3D2>Regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif=20
size=3D2>-philipp</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Re: Mascara Proposal [message #599086 is a reply to message #68746] Thu, 15 September 2005 14:00 Go to previous message
Chris Gross is currently offline Chris Gross
Messages: 471
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Mik,

Hmm. The Expressions stuff looks interesting. Thanks for the links.

I don't know if it makes sense to integrate with Forms. I think Forms
offers more of a framework, where Mascara is more focused on individual
widgets. I hope to keep Mascara very focused so as not to overstep
anyone else and also so I can make sure it all gets done :)

Regarding designer support, that will come too. VE and other design
tools can use any custom widget as long as it supports a Composite,int
constructor. Mascara will enable that. For Forms, doesn't
Instantiations SWT Designer support Form visual design already?

-Chris

Mik Kersten wrote:
> I was also impressed by the demo and it would love to have access
> to these sorts of modern widgets. The timing is good since Microsoft
> *just* announced Expression (demo linked below), and even though I doubt
> that a more "cinematic" user experience will help much in increasing
> productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty.
>
> So what are the plans or ideas for authoring/designer tools? Also, will
> this be integrated with the Forms support which is turning out to be
> very useful (but also seems to lack a designer story)?
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=106203
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx (requires IE)
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=
>
> Mik
> --
> Mylar Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylar
>
> <philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com <mailto:philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com>> wrote
> in message news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org...
>
> Chris,
>
> I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it.
> Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like
> similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with
> similar improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?
>
> Regards,
> -philipp
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