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Interoperability between modelling IDE's based on eclipse [message #376398] Wed, 17 May 2006 09:34 Go to next message
Srgjan Srepfler is currently offline Srgjan Srepfler
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Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi,
Can someone of the developers comment on how these projects will help on
interoperability between eclipse based modeling IDE's (ex. Rational
Architect, Together, Omondo). Will a project done in one IDE be
immediately available in the other without going through XMI? Also what
can we expect to see in the next generation of these products that is a
product of this effort?
I know this is perhaps a too commercial question but we'd really like to
know as usually there are no public betas for these tools (that's just
plain silly IMHO).
I believe this newsgroup is a bit abandoned by whom it should really be
a second home to (IBM, Together, Omondo, NoMagic, Poseidon, VisualParadigm).

Srgjan
Re: Interoperability between modelling IDE's based on eclipse [message #376401 is a reply to message #376398] Wed, 17 May 2006 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Srgjan,

Vendors that use a common underlying model, such as UML2, will be able
to share and exchange those artifacts easily. I believe Omondo is
using UML2 directly. At the very least, there needs to be agreement on
the serialization format for portable artifacts, i.e., an XMI
serialization based on the same metamodel. I think that's mostly in
place already because I was helping Kenn with trying to load a MagicDraw
model as a UML2 model and we had that working. I certainly can't
comment on what any of the vendors are planning but I should point out
that Rich (of Borland) and I (of IBM) are working closely on this new
top level project and that we welcome additional participation.


Srgjan Srepfler wrote:

> Hi,
> Can someone of the developers comment on how these projects will help
> on interoperability between eclipse based modeling IDE's (ex. Rational
> Architect, Together, Omondo). Will a project done in one IDE be
> immediately available in the other without going through XMI? Also
> what can we expect to see in the next generation of these products
> that is a product of this effort?
> I know this is perhaps a too commercial question but we'd really like
> to know as usually there are no public betas for these tools (that's
> just plain silly IMHO).
> I believe this newsgroup is a bit abandoned by whom it should really
> be a second home to (IBM, Together, Omondo, NoMagic, Poseidon,
> VisualParadigm).
>
> Srgjan
Re: Interoperability between modelling IDE's based on eclipse [message #376403 is a reply to message #376398] Wed, 17 May 2006 11:31 Go to previous message
Kenn Hussey is currently offline Kenn Hussey
Messages: 1618
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Srgjan,

XMI is the primary means of interchange between UML modeling tools, as
specified by the OMG; nothing requires a vendor to save artifacts using XMI
as its native format, although some do (e.g. IBM's Rational Software
Architect/Modeler). I suppose that tools based on the same metamodel
implementation (e.g. UML2), could entertain the exchange of data at the
application level (given that they should share the same in-memory
representation), but I'm not sure how this can be achieved without closer
co-operation between the vendors...

Kenn

"Srgjan Srepfler" <thisisnot@mymail.com> wrote in message
news:e4f8ou$725$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
> Can someone of the developers comment on how these projects will help on
> interoperability between eclipse based modeling IDE's (ex. Rational
> Architect, Together, Omondo). Will a project done in one IDE be
> immediately available in the other without going through XMI? Also what
> can we expect to see in the next generation of these products that is a
> product of this effort?
> I know this is perhaps a too commercial question but we'd really like to
> know as usually there are no public betas for these tools (that's just
> plain silly IMHO).
> I believe this newsgroup is a bit abandoned by whom it should really be
> a second home to (IBM, Together, Omondo, NoMagic, Poseidon,
VisualParadigm).
>
> Srgjan
Re: Interoperability between modelling IDE's based on eclipse [message #564750 is a reply to message #376398] Wed, 17 May 2006 10:26 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
Messages: 26000
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Srgjan,

Vendors that use a common underlying model, such as UML2, will be able
to share and exchange those artifacts easily. I believe Omondo is
using UML2 directly. At the very least, there needs to be agreement on
the serialization format for portable artifacts, i.e., an XMI
serialization based on the same metamodel. I think that's mostly in
place already because I was helping Kenn with trying to load a MagicDraw
model as a UML2 model and we had that working. I certainly can't
comment on what any of the vendors are planning but I should point out
that Rich (of Borland) and I (of IBM) are working closely on this new
top level project and that we welcome additional participation.


Srgjan Srepfler wrote:

> Hi,
> Can someone of the developers comment on how these projects will help
> on interoperability between eclipse based modeling IDE's (ex. Rational
> Architect, Together, Omondo). Will a project done in one IDE be
> immediately available in the other without going through XMI? Also
> what can we expect to see in the next generation of these products
> that is a product of this effort?
> I know this is perhaps a too commercial question but we'd really like
> to know as usually there are no public betas for these tools (that's
> just plain silly IMHO).
> I believe this newsgroup is a bit abandoned by whom it should really
> be a second home to (IBM, Together, Omondo, NoMagic, Poseidon,
> VisualParadigm).
>
> Srgjan
Re: Interoperability between modelling IDE's based on eclipse [message #564859 is a reply to message #376398] Wed, 17 May 2006 11:31 Go to previous message
Kenn Hussey is currently offline Kenn Hussey
Messages: 1618
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Srgjan,

XMI is the primary means of interchange between UML modeling tools, as
specified by the OMG; nothing requires a vendor to save artifacts using XMI
as its native format, although some do (e.g. IBM's Rational Software
Architect/Modeler). I suppose that tools based on the same metamodel
implementation (e.g. UML2), could entertain the exchange of data at the
application level (given that they should share the same in-memory
representation), but I'm not sure how this can be achieved without closer
co-operation between the vendors...

Kenn

"Srgjan Srepfler" <thisisnot@mymail.com> wrote in message
news:e4f8ou$725$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
> Can someone of the developers comment on how these projects will help on
> interoperability between eclipse based modeling IDE's (ex. Rational
> Architect, Together, Omondo). Will a project done in one IDE be
> immediately available in the other without going through XMI? Also what
> can we expect to see in the next generation of these products that is a
> product of this effort?
> I know this is perhaps a too commercial question but we'd really like to
> know as usually there are no public betas for these tools (that's just
> plain silly IMHO).
> I believe this newsgroup is a bit abandoned by whom it should really be
> a second home to (IBM, Together, Omondo, NoMagic, Poseidon,
VisualParadigm).
>
> Srgjan
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