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JWT API ? [message #27902] Wed, 18 February 2009 10:13 Go to next message
Jogrey is currently offline JogreyFriend
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Registered: July 2009
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Hi,

I recently used the JBPM API, it was very simple and well documented,
enougth to use it in a small application.

But, i am a bit disapointed by all BPM systems, as their engine are not
bundled with very standart components as a class to open a document, or to
ask user a question, to transform a simple decision node into a simple web
form. The only thing approching this dreaming vision is AgilPro Simulator,
but as it's told, it's only a simulator. I aslo tried Bonita, but seems
very complicated to plug a lot of services to display a simple decision
listbox and display a poor word document.

Like the JBPM API, maybe by JXT is proposing an API i haven't still found
? If it's the case i will certainly use it to create my simple workflow
engine under tomcat and with GWT as presentation.

Is this kind of project crazy at the actual hour with the actual state of
the JWT project ? Is that kind of project already existing ( to join it of
course) ?

Thank you in advance.
Re: JWT API ? [message #27942 is a reply to message #27902] Wed, 18 February 2009 14:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mickael.istria.openwide.fr

Hi Jogrey,

I understand your frustration. There is indeed a gap between
BPM/workflow engines, that are technical solutions, and a complete
high-level BPM solution with a set of useful connector, etc... Be sure
of one thing: a lot of work is currently being done in that sense,

I think that with the last version of Bonita (with eXo console) you have
the ability to map custom forms to task, using XForm. However I don't
know whether it fits to your need.

Unfortunately, JWT project has not currently focused on what I'd call
the "presentation" topic yet, but I agree with you that the
"presentation" could have its place into JWT.
Having a presentation topic would be a first stop to making JWT become a
"BPM solution Studio". That sounds nice ;)

However, in its current state, I can't figure how JWT may help you.
Maybe AgilPro contains pieces of answers...

Let's wait for Florian passing by the newsgroup, his knowledge of
AgilPro will probably be useful ;)

Regards,
Mickael


Jogrey a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I recently used the JBPM API, it was very simple and well documented,
> enougth to use it in a small application.
>
> But, i am a bit disapointed by all BPM systems, as their engine are not
> bundled with very standart components as a class to open a document, or
> to ask user a question, to transform a simple decision node into a
> simple web form. The only thing approching this dreaming vision is
> AgilPro Simulator, but as it's told, it's only a simulator. I aslo tried
> Bonita, but seems very complicated to plug a lot of services to display
> a simple decision listbox and display a poor word document.
>
> Like the JBPM API, maybe by JXT is proposing an API i haven't still
> found ? If it's the case i will certainly use it to create my simple
> workflow engine under tomcat and with GWT as presentation.
>
> Is this kind of project crazy at the actual hour with the actual state
> of the JWT project ? Is that kind of project already existing ( to join
> it of course) ?
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
>
Re: JWT API ? [message #27982 is a reply to message #27942] Wed, 18 February 2009 16:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Florian Lautenbacher is currently offline Florian LautenbacherFriend
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Hi Jogrey, hi Mickael,

First, the AgilPro Simulator is a desktop tool that actually executes the
process (and not only simulates it), but without the use of a process
engine below. This means it can't handle multiple instances of the same
process. I agree that using existing process engines sometimes is a lot of
overhead, but for bigger processes with thousands of instances it is alas
not possible otherwise.
My first thought concerning your question has been the Process Virtual
Machine (PVM) [1] that is the basis for JBPM as well as Bull Nova Bonita.
If you are searching for an API then this might be the place.
On the other side, Mickael is also working on the tooling side (as he
already mentioned) and thereby concerned about a minimal set of API (an
image can be seen at [2]). Maybe that might be something that is
interesting for you?

But both are not concerned about a presentation layer for asking
questions, etc. Maybe imixs [3] might be interesting for you, I believe to
remember that they got something like that in their tooling.

That's all for the moment I can think of, so I'm sorry if I was not able
to help you at the current state.

Regards,

Florian

[1] http://docs.jboss.com/jbpm/pvm/article/
[2] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Image:Tef.png
[3]
http://www.imixs.com/websites/imixs-com.nsf/chapter/0030.000 5.?OpenDocument
Re: JWT API ? [message #28022 is a reply to message #27982] Mon, 23 February 2009 08:34 Go to previous message
Jogrey is currently offline JogreyFriend
Messages: 2
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Thank you all for all this pieces of informations !

I am going to see further this imixs, but i wish JWT will arrived soon to
what it is promise !

I gonna look at xforms and bonita also.
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