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Suggested additional touchpoints for JWT [message #23753] Wed, 10 January 2007 14:29 Go to next message
Brian Carroll is currently offline Brian Carroll
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Registered: July 2009
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Dear JWT project members,

I am pleased to learn about your proposed project. I would like to add the
Eclipse Application Lifecycle Framework (ALF) project to your list of
touchpoints. The ALF project is about integrating development tools via
orchestration. ALF employs BPEL and web services to synchronize and
coordinate tools. So ALF is a natural consumer of BPEL processes that can
be developed by JWT users and a natural target for deploying those
processes. ALF supports BPEL engines in general, though we use
ActiveEndpoints open source BPEL engine as an example engine in demos. I'd
like to encourage you to take a look at ALF and ActiveEndpoints (as an
example) as potential deployment targets.

There is some discussion on the JWT newsgroup on the interface with STP.
Conceptually, there would appear to be much synergy (and overlap) between
JWT and those two STP efforts. It would be useful to clarify that
intersection before or during the Creation Review next week.

I see some connection between the Eclipse Process Framework (EPF) and JWT,
at least at the conceptual level, since both represent process. I suggest a
touchpoint with EPF, perhaps to determine how to map an EPF process into a
BPMN representation (if that would make sense).

Finally, there is a new project called Kepler which is addressing team and
human workflow. It would be useful to understand the potential connections
with Kepler.

Regards,
Brian

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Re: Suggested additional touchpoints for JWT [message #23797 is a reply to message #23753] Thu, 11 January 2007 09:04 Go to previous message
Florian Lautenbacher is currently offline Florian Lautenbacher
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Hi Brian,

thanks for your suggestions. I had a look at ALF and as you mentioned
both are very close related: with JWT one can create the high-level
business processes and workflows which might (at the next step) be
executed not only with an XPDL-compliant process engine but also with a
BPEL-compliant engine (as described in the ALF Service Flows). Therefore
contact in the steps after the submission review is highly desired.

We surely will discuss the connections between JWT and STP at the
submission review (especially collaboration between JWT and STP BPMN
will be very close).

Concerning the EPF I am not so sure whether the touchpoint is so close.
Of course both are talking about processes, but the Eclipse Process
Framework provides a Software process engineering framework (method and
process authoring, library management, configuring and publishing a
process and provides content for a range of software development and
management processes supporting iterative, agile, and incremental
development), whereas JWT focuses on the workflows of business
processes. These are completely different start points and therefore I
don't think that we need to work closely together.

Regards,

Florian

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Florian Lautenbacher
JWT Project Lead
University of Augsburg
Germany


Brian Carroll schrieb:
> Dear JWT project members,
>
> I am pleased to learn about your proposed project. I would like to add the
> Eclipse Application Lifecycle Framework (ALF) project to your list of
> touchpoints. The ALF project is about integrating development tools via
> orchestration. ALF employs BPEL and web services to synchronize and
> coordinate tools. So ALF is a natural consumer of BPEL processes that can
> be developed by JWT users and a natural target for deploying those
> processes. ALF supports BPEL engines in general, though we use
> ActiveEndpoints open source BPEL engine as an example engine in demos. I'd
> like to encourage you to take a look at ALF and ActiveEndpoints (as an
> example) as potential deployment targets.
>
> There is some discussion on the JWT newsgroup on the interface with STP.
> Conceptually, there would appear to be much synergy (and overlap) between
> JWT and those two STP efforts. It would be useful to clarify that
> intersection before or during the Creation Review next week.
>
> I see some connection between the Eclipse Process Framework (EPF) and JWT,
> at least at the conceptual level, since both represent process. I suggest a
> touchpoint with EPF, perhaps to determine how to map an EPF process into a
> BPMN representation (if that would make sense).
>
> Finally, there is a new project called Kepler which is addressing team and
> human workflow. It would be useful to understand the potential connections
> with Kepler.
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>
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