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SML, EMF, etc. [message #2022] Thu, 26 October 2006 16:13 Go to next message
Brian Vetter is currently offline Brian Vetter
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This may be obvious, but SML is primarily XML Schema with some extensions
and restrictions. How plugged in to the EMF projects are any of you? It
would seem that at least on the tools and modeling framework fronts, EMF and
the related tools used to create XSDs and instance XML from those would be
an excellent starting point for SML.

Valentina and William (or even Mark and Toni), are either of you connected
to participants in the EMF tools group that we can "borrow" from? Or are all
of you already "there" and we are just in use case mode?

Brian
Re: SML, EMF, etc. [message #2036 is a reply to message #2022] Thu, 26 October 2006 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Valentina Popescu is currently offline Valentina Popescu
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Brian,

Would you be interested in attending the Resource Modeling usecase workgroup
?( see note above for meeting information ) These things will be definitely
discussed and reviewed as part of the usecase description

As a short answer to your EMF question, yes, I think we should use EMF to
model the SML, SML IF editors.
We may actually want to use GEF, GMF to build a more complex editor but
these are implementation details we can tackle after the high level usecase
is defined. We also need to consider project schedule and delivery
priorities versus available resource before we can answer to all these
questions.

For the Monday's meeting I will come prepared with a first draft document of
an SML-IF editor. It will be just a high level use-case but we can go over
possible implementations.

Valentina
Re: SML, EMF, etc. [message #2077 is a reply to message #2036] Fri, 27 October 2006 17:47 Go to previous message
Brian Vetter is currently offline Brian Vetter
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Registered: July 2009
Member
Valentina Popescu wrote:
> As a short answer to your EMF question, yes, I think we should use EMF to
> model the SML, SML IF editors.
> We may actually want to use GEF, GMF to build a more complex editor but

I agree with using these as well. The Callisto XSD editor is a good
starting point. Considering the aggressive goals and time line outlined
in the COSMOS proposal, greatly leveraging other project and frameworks
is not just desirable, it is a must. If suspect you are already "there",
but perhaps not everyone else is.

> these are implementation details we can tackle after the high level usecase
> is defined. We also need to consider project schedule and delivery
> priorities versus available resource before we can answer to all these
> questions.

I guess I'm of the impatient sort. SML needs to have parser/validators,
graphical editors, etc. The first set of tools seem obvious. Hopefully,
we can push the use cases through quickly.

However, the real questions on how to map models to either inform or
direct the data collection/aggregation framework (and any persistence
and presentation of said data) will not be as obvious and will likely
result in some lively conversations.

> For the Monday's meeting I will come prepared with a first draft document of
> an SML-IF editor. It will be just a high level use-case but we can go over
> possible implementations.

I look forward to reading and reviewing on the call Monday. Thanks for
taking the organizing role.

Brian
Re: SML, EMF, etc. [message #567270 is a reply to message #2022] Thu, 26 October 2006 16:37 Go to previous message
Valentina Popescu is currently offline Valentina Popescu
Messages: 23
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Brian,

Would you be interested in attending the Resource Modeling usecase workgroup
?( see note above for meeting information ) These things will be definitely
discussed and reviewed as part of the usecase description

As a short answer to your EMF question, yes, I think we should use EMF to
model the SML, SML IF editors.
We may actually want to use GEF, GMF to build a more complex editor but
these are implementation details we can tackle after the high level usecase
is defined. We also need to consider project schedule and delivery
priorities versus available resource before we can answer to all these
questions.

For the Monday's meeting I will come prepared with a first draft document of
an SML-IF editor. It will be just a high level use-case but we can go over
possible implementations.

Valentina
Re: SML, EMF, etc. [message #567338 is a reply to message #2036] Fri, 27 October 2006 17:47 Go to previous message
Brian Vetter is currently offline Brian Vetter
Messages: 74
Registered: July 2009
Member
Valentina Popescu wrote:
> As a short answer to your EMF question, yes, I think we should use EMF to
> model the SML, SML IF editors.
> We may actually want to use GEF, GMF to build a more complex editor but

I agree with using these as well. The Callisto XSD editor is a good
starting point. Considering the aggressive goals and time line outlined
in the COSMOS proposal, greatly leveraging other project and frameworks
is not just desirable, it is a must. If suspect you are already "there",
but perhaps not everyone else is.

> these are implementation details we can tackle after the high level usecase
> is defined. We also need to consider project schedule and delivery
> priorities versus available resource before we can answer to all these
> questions.

I guess I'm of the impatient sort. SML needs to have parser/validators,
graphical editors, etc. The first set of tools seem obvious. Hopefully,
we can push the use cases through quickly.

However, the real questions on how to map models to either inform or
direct the data collection/aggregation framework (and any persistence
and presentation of said data) will not be as obvious and will likely
result in some lively conversations.

> For the Monday's meeting I will come prepared with a first draft document of
> an SML-IF editor. It will be just a high level use-case but we can go over
> possible implementations.

I look forward to reading and reviewing on the call Monday. Thanks for
taking the organizing role.

Brian
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