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Contact adress [message #22621] Wed, 31 May 2006 12:10 Go to next message
Florian Lautenbacher is currently offline Florian Lautenbacher
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2009
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Hello,

might anybody help me and send me the email adress of the contact person
of the JWT project? The mail adresses that have been published on the
project site (project lead fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr and
gwenael.perier@openwide.fr) seem to be wrong as I got an error message
bounced back.

I would like to get some more information about the JWT project and about
the possibilities to contribute and therefore tried to contact the project
lead.

Thanks a lot in advance and best regards,

Florian Lautenbacher


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Dipl.-Inf. Florian Lautenbacher

Programming of Distributed Systems
Institute of Computer Science
University of Augsburg
Universitätsstr. 14
86135 Augsburg, Germany

phone: +49 (821) 598-3103
fax: +49 (821) 598-2175
e-mail: florian.lautenbacher@informatik.uni-augsburg.de
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Re: Contact adress [message #22668 is a reply to message #22621] Fri, 02 June 2006 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marc Dutoo is currently offline Marc Dutoo
Messages: 71
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Florian

First I'm sorry for the hardships you've met while looking for
information on JWT.

The fact is, my former colleague Fabrice Dewasmes has left Open Wide for
greener pastures (litterally, since he's moved as well). This doesn't
preclude of his future contributions, but here at Open Wide I have the
responsibility of (humbly) furthering his work on the JWT initiative.


I'll now try to present the JWT initiative :

JWT aims to provide a technology-independant business process tooling
platform.

This independance is actually what makes it different from other similar
initiatives, such as Eclipse STP's BPEL or BPMN projects.

As a matter of fact, it means it will be able to support XPDL (which is
Shark's busines process language) and not be limited to the more
restricted BPEL standard.

Similarly, it will be able to support several different representation
models, including the well-known BPMN standard but also other, more
business-specific ones.


Finally, some information about the current state of JWT :

For now JWT gathers a few core partners from among the world and their
initial core contributions (available on the Open Wide JWT Forge). As
you may have read it in previous posts, we've had some difficulties
mostly on organisational level, but we're now trying to gain momentum
again. Some new partners, both companies and academics, should help us
towards this goal - actually, this is what I've been working on last month.

I hope to be able to give more information about that and to update the
proposal in the following month.

Best regards

Marc Dutoo
Open Wide

Florian Lautenbacher wrote:
> Hello,
>
> might anybody help me and send me the email adress of the contact person
> of the JWT project? The mail adresses that have been published on the
> project site (project lead fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr and
> gwenael.perier@openwide.fr) seem to be wrong as I got an error message
> bounced back.
> I would like to get some more information about the JWT project and
> about the possibilities to contribute and therefore tried to contact the
> project lead.
>
> Thanks a lot in advance and best regards,
>
> Florian Lautenbacher
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------
>
> Dipl.-Inf. Florian Lautenbacher
>
> Programming of Distributed Systems
> Institute of Computer Science
> University of Augsburg
> Universitätsstr. 14
> 86135 Augsburg, Germany
>
> phone: +49 (821) 598-3103
> fax: +49 (821) 598-2175
> e-mail: florian.lautenbacher@informatik.uni-augsburg.de
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------
>
>
>
Re: Contact adress [message #22757 is a reply to message #22668] Fri, 09 June 2006 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marc Dutoo is currently offline Marc Dutoo
Messages: 71
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Florian


The short answer to JWT vs BPEL & BPMN projects :

I believe there is a "market" for a technology-independant business
process tooling platform. Actually, that's where all JWT partners
connect.And this independance is actually what makes it different from
other similar initiatives, such as Eclipse STP's BPEL or BPMN projects.

For instance, it will be able to support XPDL (which is notably Shark's
busines process language) and not be limited to the more restricted BPEL
standard. Similarly, it will be able to support several different
representation models, including the well-known BPMN standard but also
other, more business-specific ones.

Last time I checked the BPEL project was stalled since things were not
going well between them and STP (a metamodel philosophy issue I
believe), and BPMN was flying so much under the radar there was nothing
to see.

Noten that we don't actually exclude to be compatible with them, use
them or even build JWT on them, as you can see from the previous
newsgroup messages ; but as for now that just doesn't seem likely to me.


About NESSI : at Open Wide we're not actively there for now (rather
ObjectWeb), but who knows... There are many ways of working together.
I'll think that up !

Best regards,

Marc Dutoo
Open Wide

Florian Lautenbacher wrote:

> Hi Marc,
>
> thanks for the information about the current progress of JWT. I have
seen that in the STP project there is a BPMN subproject, so wouldn't JWT
be a competitor to the BPMN project somehow? Why does the ObjectWeb
consortium try to back you into STP then?
>
> I found out that ObjectWeb is partner of NESSI
(http://www.nessi-europe.com/). We have been on the general assembly of
NESSI in Brussels yesterday. Are you a member or interested in NESSI,
too? Perhaps we can collaborate in a working group there!?
>
> We would be happy to contribute to JWT in the future. The only thing
is that we first have to contact our project partner (the ERP-company)
whether this would be OK for them, too (which I believe) or whether
there are parts that they don't want to give open source. I will get in
touch with you as soon as I received an answer from him. The only
problem is that our contact in that company is on holiday till the end
of June, but I will try to contact him on his mobile phone.
>
> I would be glad if we could work together on the JWT proposal in the
future and hope that we can change the current state for this proposal
from a yellow ("stale proposal") to a saturated green ;-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Florian
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------
> Dipl.-Inf. Florian Lautenbacher
>
> Programming of Distributed Systems
> Institute of Computer Science
> University of Augsburg
> Universitätsstr. 14
> 86135 Augsburg, Germany
>
> phone: +49 (821) 598-3103
> fax: +49 (821) 598-2175
> e-mail: florian.lautenbacher@informatik.uni-augsburg.de
>
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>
> Von: Marc Dutoo [mailto:marc.dutoo@openwide.fr]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2006 15:35
> An: Florian Lautenbacher; fabrice.dewasmes@gmail.com
> Betreff: Re: AW: JWT information and contact
>
> Hi Florian
>
> Wow, these are incredibly exciting news !
>
> I'm calling for my fellow JWT partners' advices, but here's my take
on it.
>
> Here at JWT we are obviously open to any contribution and partnership
that may help our common views make some progress. I can't actually
speak in place of the other JWT contributors, but here is the baseline.
>
> I'm getting the feeling your approach of the problematic has been
really close to ours, here at JWT. I'm thinking about your application
domain-independant metamodel, about workflow language-agnosticism, and
on a more technical ground about the use of the EMF / GEF framework.
Moreover ARIS integration is a nice addition on his own.
>
> Obviously, nothing can be said till your application has been made
available for evaluation (obviously including architecture and code
review as well as feature and usability review), till everyone has had
his say about it. Nonetheless right know I don't see any reason you
couldn't contribute your existing application and code to the JWT
project, alongside the three already made contributions, allowing for
that next step to begin.
>
> One thing you must know is that JWT is currently not as busy as it
has been from january to april. First because of the EclipseCon delaying
our proposal review for the Eclipse STP Project - on another (positive)
side, the Objectweb Consortium is still strongly backing us to get into
STP. Then because of JWT contributors being themselves quite busy -
Fabrice and me for instance, but there are improvements in this area :)
And finally because of a new opportunity to get some funds from a
European Research Program (the answer on this last issue will be
released in July).
>
> It is quite difficult to to a final update on the JWT proposal before
this date because this answer will affect the roadmap dates and the
features planned (even if everything told in the existing proposal would
still be there). However it could have the positive side effect to allow
you to have your say as well on this proposal. Till then we could
discuss and work up a proposal preview. Anyway it's a good time to have
a look back and see how everyone is doing.
>
> Oh, and it would be a really good thing to make this available on the
newsgroup, don't you think ? With your approval I'll do so right away.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marc Dutoo
> Open Wide



Marc Dutoo wrote:
> Hi Florian
>
> First I'm sorry for the hardships you've met while looking for
> information on JWT.
>
> The fact is, my former colleague Fabrice Dewasmes has left Open Wide for
> greener pastures (litterally, since he's moved as well). This doesn't
> preclude of his future contributions, but here at Open Wide I have the
> responsibility of (humbly) furthering his work on the JWT initiative.
>
>
> I'll now try to present the JWT initiative :
>
> JWT aims to provide a technology-independant business process tooling
> platform.
>
> This independance is actually what makes it different from other similar
> initiatives, such as Eclipse STP's BPEL or BPMN projects.
>
> As a matter of fact, it means it will be able to support XPDL (which is
> Shark's busines process language) and not be limited to the more
> restricted BPEL standard.
>
> Similarly, it will be able to support several different representation
> models, including the well-known BPMN standard but also other, more
> business-specific ones.
>
>
> Finally, some information about the current state of JWT :
>
> For now JWT gathers a few core partners from among the world and their
> initial core contributions (available on the Open Wide JWT Forge). As
> you may have read it in previous posts, we've had some difficulties
> mostly on organisational level, but we're now trying to gain momentum
> again. Some new partners, both companies and academics, should help us
> towards this goal - actually, this is what I've been working on last month.
>
> I hope to be able to give more information about that and to update the
> proposal in the following month.
>
> Best regards
>
> Marc Dutoo
> Open Wide
>
> Florian Lautenbacher wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> might anybody help me and send me the email adress of the contact
>> person of the JWT project? The mail adresses that have been published
>> on the project site (project lead fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr and
>> gwenael.perier@openwide.fr) seem to be wrong as I got an error message
>> bounced back.
>> I would like to get some more information about the JWT project and
>> about the possibilities to contribute and therefore tried to contact
>> the project lead.
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance and best regards,
>>
>> Florian Lautenbacher
>>
>>
Re: Contact adress [message #22800 is a reply to message #22757] Thu, 13 July 2006 07:51 Go to previous message
Florian Lautenbacher is currently offline Florian Lautenbacher
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Marc,

I'm unsure why my last mail didn't appear on the mailing list. So here's
the content again in short form:
In the meantime we contacted our industrial partner and he would be quite
happy to join the JWT initiative, too. So what would be the first thing we
can do? How can we contribute to this stage of the project? Might we
assist you to write the project proposal?

Thanks for your information and best regards,

Florian
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