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Download woes [message #20714] Tue, 28 June 2005 21:21 Go to next message
Ed Burnette is currently offline Ed Burnette
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I have a fat corporate connection to the Internet but have spent the
last three hours trying to download Eclipse 3.1. Just seeing the
download page was difficult (the New and Noteworthy page is still
refreshing), the mirrors that were listed as having the files finally
admitted they didn't really, and the big download from Canada has
already given out in the middle once. The retry is only about 1/3 done
as I write this.

Mike writes "We've doubled the bandwidth at www.eclipse.org, so
hopefully the Million Download Challange will make me pay up big time to
my favourite charity."
( http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/2005/06/and-race-begins.html). However,
it's going to be awfully hard to make it at this pace.
Re: Download woes [message #20727 is a reply to message #20714] Tue, 28 June 2005 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse Webmaster is currently offline Eclipse Webmaster
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Honestly, Ed, do *you* need to be downloading 3.1 in the middle of the
big rush? I mean, really? I'm holding off...


Ed Burnette wrote:
> I have a fat corporate connection to the Internet but have spent the
> last three hours trying to download Eclipse 3.1. Just seeing the
> download page was difficult (the New and Noteworthy page is still
> refreshing), the mirrors that were listed as having the files finally
> admitted they didn't really, and the big download from Canada has
> already given out in the middle once. The retry is only about 1/3 done
> as I write this.
>
> Mike writes "We've doubled the bandwidth at www.eclipse.org, so
> hopefully the Million Download Challange will make me pay up big time to
> my favourite charity."
> ( http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/2005/06/and-race-begins.html). However,
> it's going to be awfully hard to make it at this pace.
Re: Download woes [message #20740 is a reply to message #20714] Tue, 28 June 2005 22:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse Webmaster is currently offline Eclipse Webmaster
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Maybe you should try to convince someone to setup an Eclipse Mirror on
that fat corporate connection of yours... See how it thins out ;)


Ed Burnette wrote:
> I have a fat corporate connection to the Internet but have spent the
> last three hours trying to download Eclipse 3.1. Just seeing the
> download page was difficult (the New and Noteworthy page is still
> refreshing), the mirrors that were listed as having the files finally
> admitted they didn't really, and the big download from Canada has
> already given out in the middle once. The retry is only about 1/3 done
> as I write this.
>
> Mike writes "We've doubled the bandwidth at www.eclipse.org, so
> hopefully the Million Download Challange will make me pay up big time to
> my favourite charity."
> ( http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/2005/06/and-race-begins.html). However,
> it's going to be awfully hard to make it at this pace.
Re: Download woes [message #20753 is a reply to message #20740] Wed, 29 June 2005 06:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Keppler is currently offline Michael Keppler
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Eclipse WebMaster (Denis Roy) schrieb:
> Maybe you should try to convince someone to setup an Eclipse Mirror on
> that fat corporate connection of yours... See how it thins out ;)

I think it would have been much smarter to set up an official Bittorrent
server for the Eclipse releases as distributed systems are the best
solution for fast distribution of heavily requested big downloads.

Ciao, Michael.
Re: Download woes [message #20766 is a reply to message #20714] Wed, 29 June 2005 07:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: patrick.schriner.de

I just made a post to the platform newsgroup as well.
I think the performance problems are ridicolous.
Why publish so professional a tool in such an unprofessional way.
Why not make sure the mirrors are updated first.
Why put the "News and Noteworthy" HTML file on the server first, but the=
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images later.

Come on, "Why download in the middle of the rush" is not exactly a =

satisfying answer.

Eclipse might be too fat to publish in a conventional (HTTP / FTP) way. =
=

You should think about bittorrent or other networks which perform far =

better for such distributions.

BTW, I love Eclipse - with all my heart - but these download issues are =
a =

shame.

Even more if you issue a "million download challenge".


On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:21:22 +0200, Ed Burnette <ed.burnette@sas.com> =

wrote:

> I have a fat corporate connection to the Internet but have spent the =

> last three hours trying to download Eclipse 3.1. Just seeing the =

> download page was difficult (the New and Noteworthy page is still =

> refreshing), the mirrors that were listed as having the files finally =
=

> admitted they didn't really, and the big download from Canada has =

> already given out in the middle once. The retry is only about 1/3 done=
=

> as I write this.
>
> Mike writes "We've doubled the bandwidth at www.eclipse.org, so =

> hopefully the Million Download Challange will make me pay up big time =
to =

> my favourite charity." =

> ( http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/2005/06/and-race-begins.html). Howeve=
r, =

> it's going to be awfully hard to make it at this pace.
Re: Download woes [message #20779 is a reply to message #20714] Wed, 29 June 2005 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: joerg.von.frantzius.artnology.nospam.com

Ed Burnette schrieb:

> I have a fat corporate connection to the Internet but have spent the
> last three hours trying to download Eclipse 3.1. Just seeing the
> download page was difficult (the New and Noteworthy page is still
> refreshing), the mirrors that were listed as having the files finally
> admitted they didn't really, and the big download from Canada has
> already given out in the middle once. The retry is only about 1/3 done
> as I write this.
>
> Mike writes "We've doubled the bandwidth at www.eclipse.org, so
> hopefully the Million Download Challange will make me pay up big time
> to my favourite charity."
> ( http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/2005/06/and-race-begins.html).
> However, it's going to be awfully hard to make it at this pace.

I don't get www.eclipse.org to load right now. Looks like doubling the
bandwidth simply wasn't enough. If people can't even browse the website,
let alone access the mirrors page, maybe the webserver serving the
downloads should be separate from the normal one, if that's somehow
possible. The newsserver seems to be separate as well, as news access is
working OK.

As it looks right now, the Eclipse Foundation has organized a
devastating and long-lasting Denial Of Service attack on itself ;-)
Re: Download woes [message #20792 is a reply to message #20753] Wed, 29 June 2005 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: eclipse.rizzoweb.com

Michael Keppler wrote:
> Eclipse WebMaster (Denis Roy) schrieb:
>
>>Maybe you should try to convince someone to setup an Eclipse Mirror on
>>that fat corporate connection of yours... See how it thins out ;)
>
>
> I think it would have been much smarter to set up an official Bittorrent
> server for the Eclipse releases as distributed systems are the best
> solution for fast distribution of heavily requested big downloads.
>
> Ciao, Michael.

BitTorrent used to be an option (circa 2.0 or 2.1 release, IIRC) - why
is it no longer being used for distribution?

Eric
Re: Download woes [message #20804 is a reply to message #20779] Wed, 29 June 2005 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse Webmaster is currently offline Eclipse Webmaster
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For about 2 hours now we've had a spare server running as a mirror site
on a dedicated 100Mb line. It's been handling it fair share of
requests, and eclipse.org is no longer saturated.

Thanks to everyone for being patient!

Denis

Joerg von Frantzius wrote:
> Ed Burnette schrieb:
>
>> I have a fat corporate connection to the Internet but have spent the
>> last three hours trying to download Eclipse 3.1. Just seeing the
>> download page was difficult (the New and Noteworthy page is still
>> refreshing), the mirrors that were listed as having the files finally
>> admitted they didn't really, and the big download from Canada has
>> already given out in the middle once. The retry is only about 1/3 done
>> as I write this.
>>
>> Mike writes "We've doubled the bandwidth at www.eclipse.org, so
>> hopefully the Million Download Challange will make me pay up big time
>> to my favourite charity."
>> ( http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/2005/06/and-race-begins.html).
>> However, it's going to be awfully hard to make it at this pace.
>
>
> I don't get www.eclipse.org to load right now. Looks like doubling the
> bandwidth simply wasn't enough. If people can't even browse the website,
> let alone access the mirrors page, maybe the webserver serving the
> downloads should be separate from the normal one, if that's somehow
> possible. The newsserver seems to be separate as well, as news access is
> working OK.
>
> As it looks right now, the Eclipse Foundation has organized a
> devastating and long-lasting Denial Of Service attack on itself ;-)
Re: Download woes [message #20817 is a reply to message #20792] Wed, 29 June 2005 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Keppler is currently offline Michael Keppler
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Eric Rizzo schrieb:
> BitTorrent used to be an option (circa 2.0 or 2.1 release, IIRC) - why
> is it no longer being used for distribution?

If I remember correctly, it was no official Eclipse.org server, but only
linked to from the Eclipse.org site some time after the release.

Ciao, Michael.
Re: Download woes [message #20870 is a reply to message #20714] Thu, 30 June 2005 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Genady Beryozkin is currently offline Genady Beryozkin
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Would it be legal to upload Eclipse to SourceForge.Net or Download.com?

Genady

Ed Burnette wrote:

> I have a fat corporate connection to the Internet but have spent the
> last three hours trying to download Eclipse 3.1. Just seeing the
> download page was difficult (the New and Noteworthy page is still
> refreshing), the mirrors that were listed as having the files finally
> admitted they didn't really, and the big download from Canada has
> already given out in the middle once. The retry is only about 1/3 done
> as I write this.
>
> Mike writes "We've doubled the bandwidth at www.eclipse.org, so
> hopefully the Million Download Challange will make me pay up big time
> to my favourite charity."
> ( http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/2005/06/and-race-begins.html).
> However, it's going to be awfully hard to make it at this pace.
Re: Download woes [message #21108 is a reply to message #20740] Thu, 07 July 2005 01:44 Go to previous message
Ed Burnette is currently offline Ed Burnette
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Registered: July 2009
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Well actually that was why I was trying to download it, to copy it to
our local mirror so nobody else would try to download it :)

Eclipse WebMaster (Denis Roy) wrote:
> Maybe you should try to convince someone to setup an Eclipse Mirror on
> that fat corporate connection of yours... See how it thins out ;)
>
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