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Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #1609] Wed, 13 July 2005 06:45 Go to next message
Doug Gaff is currently offline Doug Gaff
Messages: 150
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hello All,

Sorry for the late email on this. I believe Pete Nichols or I have been
in contact with most of you over email already, so hopefully everyone
who has expressed interest in this meeting is already attending.

Many thanks to Pete and IBM for hosting the meeting. Below is
information about the event as well as a list of attendees. This
meeting is open to the public, of course, so please let us know if you'd
like to attend but are not already on the list.

Also below is an initial agenda that Alan Boxall put together with some
slight modifications by me.

Doug


------------------------------------------------------
Working Agenda


Introductions
Summarize current status of DSDP proposal
Agree on the goals for this meeting

Debug core (org.eclipse.debug)
- Flexible hierarchy (Current debug core enforces a fixed hierarchy)
- Propose solution to allow for flexible parent/child relationships
(presenter: Alan Boxall)
- Solution 1: Use extension point to register hierarchy. Debug core
would read and use this hierarchy.
- Solution 2: Use getAdapter code to "discover" hierarchy
- This would influence the content of views... e.g. Debug and Register
views
- Multiple language support
- Allow different "Targets" to exist under a single target

Debug views
- View update policies (presenter: Samantha Chan)
- Propose that models drive view updates instead of current method of
views reacting to a debug event
e.g in R31 after a step over the model is asked 27 times "Can you step
over?" in attempt to get the correct enable/disable state of actions and
buttons
- Customize existing view content for views supplied by debug core
Possible presenter: Wind River
- New common views
- debug console, does someone have one that can be contributed?
- Specialized memory views/logical structures
- Does the 3.1 memory support satisfy all requirements?
- What about logical structures? Are they at the correct level of
detail?
- Editor integration
- Should core debug help integrate "default" editor with debug
function?
- Breakpoint view
- Do the current "Global" breakpoints satisfy the requirements of
DSDP implementers?
- Responses to view use-cases by Darin (via phone)

Debuggee interaction
- Handle slower connections, handle serialized connections
- Current threaded debug core is very difficult to connect to a debug
engine that can only process commands serially
- Possible solution: have mode that forces serialized calls to debug
target

Scalability of Debug view (Presenter: Wind River)
- How to control the context for content of views
- How can we help a user work with many processes?
- Filters
- Visual queues (Use of colours was suggested)

Wrap up
Discuss plans for next meeting

------------------------------------------------------
Attendees and Logistics


IBM
Alan Boxall
Samantha Chan
Pete Nicholls

QNX
Derrick Keefe
Alain Magloire
Mikhail Khodjaiants

Intel
Susan Macchia (phone)

Mentor Graphics
Mark Bozeman

HP
Sumit Sarkar (phone)

Wind River
Doug Gaff
Felix Burton
Randy Rohrbach
Ted Williams

Nokia
Paul Warren
Ken Ryall

Texas Instruments
Chris Recoskie
Andy Waterson
Annie Chen
Brian Cruikshank
Alex Dorbin
Paul Gingrich
Martin Imrisek

Meeting Details: Tuesday July 19th (noon) to Wednesday July 20th (4 pm)

Location: IBM Toronto Software Development Lab
(http://www.can.ibm.com/torontolab/)
8200 Warden Ave. East
Markham, On
L6G 1C7

Meeting Room: Willow Education Room
Conference number: TBD

The room will be available all day Tuesday and Wednesday for those who
are arriving early.

Area hotels: (the hilton is about a 2 minute walk)

Hilton Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham*
8500 Warden Avenue
Markham, Ontario
Phone: 905 470-8500
http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml;jsessionid=4KXATC2AU1HHJJ31AOQMISQ?ctyhocn=YYZAPHF

Distance to 8200 Warden: 0.5 km
*Formerly known as Embassy Suites Hotel & Conference Centre
Toronto/Markham

Radisson Hotel Toronto-Markham
50 East Valhalla Drive
Markham, Ontario
Phone: 905 477-2010
Distance to 8200 Warden: 3 km

Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites Markham
7095 Woodbine Ave.
Markham, Ontario
Phone: 905 474-0444
Distance to 8200 Warden: 5 km


Driving Directions:

The lab is just off Warden Ave between Highway 407 and Highway 7 in
Markham.

From Airport:
To 8200 using the 407 Express Toll Route*:
When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 427 North. Drive
north on Highway 427 and exit on to Highway 407 ETR East. Follow Highway
407 ETR east for 28 km to the Warden Ave exit. Turn left (north) at the
Warden Ave exit stop light. Go north on Warden Ave and prepare to exit
right on to the IBM overpass which will take you into the Lab.
*Please advise the auto rental agency before taking the 407 ETR . The
toll (approx. $6.00 CDN one way + possible auto rental agency
administration fees) will be billed to your credit card.

To 8200 using Highway 401:
When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 401 East. Drive
east on Highway 401 for 27 Kilometres to the Don Valley Parkway/404
exit. Go north (towards Newmarket) on the 404 and exit at Hwy 7. Proceed
east on Hwy 7 to South Town Centre Blvd (South Town Centre Blvd is east
of Rodick Rd and west of Warden Ave). Turn right (south) on South Town
Centre Blvd Follow this road straight into the Lab.
GTA map with location of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
Area map of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #1639 is a reply to message #1609] Wed, 13 July 2005 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: gwatson.lanl.gov

Yes, it's a shame there wasn't more advanced notice of this meeting.

We've been working on a parallel debug model (extending the debug model
to support multiple processes and commands/events dealing with multiple
processes), a parallel process view (i.e. how to display/interact with
multiple processes simultaneousely) and extensions to the source viewer
to deal with multiple processes sharing the same source view.

Greg


Doug Gaff wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Sorry for the late email on this. I believe Pete Nichols or I have been
> in contact with most of you over email already, so hopefully everyone
> who has expressed interest in this meeting is already attending.
>
> Many thanks to Pete and IBM for hosting the meeting. Below is
> information about the event as well as a list of attendees. This
> meeting is open to the public, of course, so please let us know if you'd
> like to attend but are not already on the list.
>
> Also below is an initial agenda that Alan Boxall put together with some
> slight modifications by me.
>
> Doug
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Working Agenda
>
>
> Introductions
> Summarize current status of DSDP proposal
> Agree on the goals for this meeting
>
> Debug core (org.eclipse.debug)
> - Flexible hierarchy (Current debug core enforces a fixed hierarchy)
> - Propose solution to allow for flexible parent/child relationships
> (presenter: Alan Boxall)
> - Solution 1: Use extension point to register hierarchy. Debug core
> would read and use this hierarchy.
> - Solution 2: Use getAdapter code to "discover" hierarchy
> - This would influence the content of views... e.g. Debug and Register
> views
> - Multiple language support
> - Allow different "Targets" to exist under a single target
>
> Debug views
> - View update policies (presenter: Samantha Chan)
> - Propose that models drive view updates instead of current method of
> views reacting to a debug event
> e.g in R31 after a step over the model is asked 27 times "Can you step
> over?" in attempt to get the correct enable/disable state of actions and
> buttons
> - Customize existing view content for views supplied by debug core
> Possible presenter: Wind River
> - New common views
> - debug console, does someone have one that can be contributed?
> - Specialized memory views/logical structures
> - Does the 3.1 memory support satisfy all requirements?
> - What about logical structures? Are they at the correct level of
> detail?
> - Editor integration
> - Should core debug help integrate "default" editor with debug function?
> - Breakpoint view
> - Do the current "Global" breakpoints satisfy the requirements of
> DSDP implementers?
> - Responses to view use-cases by Darin (via phone)
>
> Debuggee interaction
> - Handle slower connections, handle serialized connections
> - Current threaded debug core is very difficult to connect to a debug
> engine that can only process commands serially
> - Possible solution: have mode that forces serialized calls to debug
> target
>
> Scalability of Debug view (Presenter: Wind River)
> - How to control the context for content of views
> - How can we help a user work with many processes?
> - Filters
> - Visual queues (Use of colours was suggested)
>
> Wrap up
> Discuss plans for next meeting
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Attendees and Logistics
>
>
> IBM
> Alan Boxall
> Samantha Chan
> Pete Nicholls
>
> QNX
> Derrick Keefe
> Alain Magloire
> Mikhail Khodjaiants
>
> Intel
> Susan Macchia (phone)
>
> Mentor Graphics
> Mark Bozeman
>
> HP
> Sumit Sarkar (phone)
>
> Wind River
> Doug Gaff
> Felix Burton
> Randy Rohrbach
> Ted Williams
>
> Nokia
> Paul Warren
> Ken Ryall
>
> Texas Instruments
> Chris Recoskie
> Andy Waterson
> Annie Chen
> Brian Cruikshank
> Alex Dorbin
> Paul Gingrich
> Martin Imrisek
>
> Meeting Details: Tuesday July 19th (noon) to Wednesday July 20th (4 pm)
> Location: IBM Toronto Software Development Lab
> (http://www.can.ibm.com/torontolab/)
> 8200 Warden Ave. East
> Markham, On
> L6G 1C7
>
> Meeting Room: Willow Education Room
> Conference number: TBD
>
> The room will be available all day Tuesday and Wednesday for those who
> are arriving early.
>
> Area hotels: (the hilton is about a 2 minute walk)
>
> Hilton Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham*
> 8500 Warden Avenue
> Markham, Ontario
> Phone: 905 470-8500
> http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml;jsessionid=4KXATC2AU1HHJJ31AOQMISQ?ctyhocn=YYZAPHF
>
>
> Distance to 8200 Warden: 0.5 km
> *Formerly known as Embassy Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham
>
> Radisson Hotel Toronto-Markham
> 50 East Valhalla Drive
> Markham, Ontario
> Phone: 905 477-2010
> Distance to 8200 Warden: 3 km
>
> Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites Markham
> 7095 Woodbine Ave.
> Markham, Ontario
> Phone: 905 474-0444
> Distance to 8200 Warden: 5 km
>
>
> Driving Directions:
>
> The lab is just off Warden Ave between Highway 407 and Highway 7 in
> Markham.
>
> From Airport:
> To 8200 using the 407 Express Toll Route*:
> When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 427 North. Drive
> north on Highway 427 and exit on to Highway 407 ETR East. Follow Highway
> 407 ETR east for 28 km to the Warden Ave exit. Turn left (north) at the
> Warden Ave exit stop light. Go north on Warden Ave and prepare to exit
> right on to the IBM overpass which will take you into the Lab.
> *Please advise the auto rental agency before taking the 407 ETR . The
> toll (approx. $6.00 CDN one way + possible auto rental agency
> administration fees) will be billed to your credit card.
>
> To 8200 using Highway 401:
> When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 401 East. Drive
> east on Highway 401 for 27 Kilometres to the Don Valley Parkway/404
> exit. Go north (towards Newmarket) on the 404 and exit at Hwy 7. Proceed
> east on Hwy 7 to South Town Centre Blvd (South Town Centre Blvd is east
> of Rodick Rd and west of Warden Ave). Turn right (south) on South Town
> Centre Blvd Follow this road straight into the Lab.
> GTA map with location of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
> Area map of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
>
>
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #1662 is a reply to message #1639] Wed, 13 July 2005 18:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Gaff is currently offline Doug Gaff
Messages: 150
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Greg,

Sorry about that. I saw your email to Martin on the Target Management
sub-project, but I apparently overlooked your comment about debugging.

Any chance you can still join us either in person or via phone? Pete
will send out the conference number next week.

Doug


"Greg Watson" <gwatson@lanl.gov> wrote in message news:gwatson@lanl.gov:

> Yes, it's a shame there wasn't more advanced notice of this meeting.
>
> We've been working on a parallel debug model (extending the debug model
> to support multiple processes and commands/events dealing with multiple
> processes), a parallel process view (i.e. how to display/interact with
> multiple processes simultaneousely) and extensions to the source viewer
> to deal with multiple processes sharing the same source view.
>
> Greg
>
>
> Doug Gaff wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Sorry for the late email on this. I believe Pete Nichols or I have been
> > in contact with most of you over email already, so hopefully everyone
> > who has expressed interest in this meeting is already attending.
> >
> > Many thanks to Pete and IBM for hosting the meeting. Below is
> > information about the event as well as a list of attendees. This
> > meeting is open to the public, of course, so please let us know if you'd
> > like to attend but are not already on the list.
> >
> > Also below is an initial agenda that Alan Boxall put together with some
> > slight modifications by me.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Working Agenda
> >
> >
> > Introductions
> > Summarize current status of DSDP proposal
> > Agree on the goals for this meeting
> >
> > Debug core (org.eclipse.debug)
> > - Flexible hierarchy (Current debug core enforces a fixed hierarchy)
> > - Propose solution to allow for flexible parent/child relationships
> > (presenter: Alan Boxall)
> > - Solution 1: Use extension point to register hierarchy. Debug core
> > would read and use this hierarchy.
> > - Solution 2: Use getAdapter code to "discover" hierarchy
> > - This would influence the content of views... e.g. Debug and Register
> > views
> > - Multiple language support
> > - Allow different "Targets" to exist under a single target
> >
> > Debug views
> > - View update policies (presenter: Samantha Chan)
> > - Propose that models drive view updates instead of current method of
> > views reacting to a debug event
> > e.g in R31 after a step over the model is asked 27 times "Can you step
> > over?" in attempt to get the correct enable/disable state of actions and
> > buttons
> > - Customize existing view content for views supplied by debug core
> > Possible presenter: Wind River
> > - New common views
> > - debug console, does someone have one that can be contributed?
> > - Specialized memory views/logical structures
> > - Does the 3.1 memory support satisfy all requirements?
> > - What about logical structures? Are they at the correct level of
> > detail?
> > - Editor integration
> > - Should core debug help integrate "default" editor with debug function?
> > - Breakpoint view
> > - Do the current "Global" breakpoints satisfy the requirements of
> > DSDP implementers?
> > - Responses to view use-cases by Darin (via phone)
> >
> > Debuggee interaction
> > - Handle slower connections, handle serialized connections
> > - Current threaded debug core is very difficult to connect to a debug
> > engine that can only process commands serially
> > - Possible solution: have mode that forces serialized calls to debug
> > target
> >
> > Scalability of Debug view (Presenter: Wind River)
> > - How to control the context for content of views
> > - How can we help a user work with many processes?
> > - Filters
> > - Visual queues (Use of colours was suggested)
> >
> > Wrap up
> > Discuss plans for next meeting
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Attendees and Logistics
> >
> >
> > IBM
> > Alan Boxall
> > Samantha Chan
> > Pete Nicholls
> >
> > QNX
> > Derrick Keefe
> > Alain Magloire
> > Mikhail Khodjaiants
> >
> > Intel
> > Susan Macchia (phone)
> >
> > Mentor Graphics
> > Mark Bozeman
> >
> > HP
> > Sumit Sarkar (phone)
> >
> > Wind River
> > Doug Gaff
> > Felix Burton
> > Randy Rohrbach
> > Ted Williams
> >
> > Nokia
> > Paul Warren
> > Ken Ryall
> >
> > Texas Instruments
> > Chris Recoskie
> > Andy Waterson
> > Annie Chen
> > Brian Cruikshank
> > Alex Dorbin
> > Paul Gingrich
> > Martin Imrisek
> >
> > Meeting Details: Tuesday July 19th (noon) to Wednesday July 20th (4 pm)
> > Location: IBM Toronto Software Development Lab
> > (http://www.can.ibm.com/torontolab/)
> > 8200 Warden Ave. East
> > Markham, On
> > L6G 1C7
> >
> > Meeting Room: Willow Education Room
> > Conference number: TBD
> >
> > The room will be available all day Tuesday and Wednesday for those who
> > are arriving early.
> >
> > Area hotels: (the hilton is about a 2 minute walk)
> >
> > Hilton Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham*
> > 8500 Warden Avenue
> > Markham, Ontario
> > Phone: 905 470-8500
> > http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml;jsessionid=4KXATC2AU1HHJJ31AOQMISQ?ctyhocn=YYZAPHF
> >
> >
> > Distance to 8200 Warden: 0.5 km
> > *Formerly known as Embassy Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham
> >
> > Radisson Hotel Toronto-Markham
> > 50 East Valhalla Drive
> > Markham, Ontario
> > Phone: 905 477-2010
> > Distance to 8200 Warden: 3 km
> >
> > Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites Markham
> > 7095 Woodbine Ave.
> > Markham, Ontario
> > Phone: 905 474-0444
> > Distance to 8200 Warden: 5 km
> >
> >
> > Driving Directions:
> >
> > The lab is just off Warden Ave between Highway 407 and Highway 7 in
> > Markham.
> >
> > From Airport:
> > To 8200 using the 407 Express Toll Route*:
> > When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 427 North. Drive
> > north on Highway 427 and exit on to Highway 407 ETR East. Follow Highway
> > 407 ETR east for 28 km to the Warden Ave exit. Turn left (north) at the
> > Warden Ave exit stop light. Go north on Warden Ave and prepare to exit
> > right on to the IBM overpass which will take you into the Lab.
> > *Please advise the auto rental agency before taking the 407 ETR . The
> > toll (approx. $6.00 CDN one way + possible auto rental agency
> > administration fees) will be billed to your credit card.
> >
> > To 8200 using Highway 401:
> > When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 401 East. Drive
> > east on Highway 401 for 27 Kilometres to the Don Valley Parkway/404
> > exit. Go north (towards Newmarket) on the 404 and exit at Hwy 7. Proceed
> > east on Hwy 7 to South Town Centre Blvd (South Town Centre Blvd is east
> > of Rodick Rd and west of Warden Ave). Turn right (south) on South Town
> > Centre Blvd Follow this road straight into the Lab.
> > GTA map with location of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
> > Area map of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
> >
> >
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #1673 is a reply to message #1609] Wed, 13 July 2005 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pete Nicholls is currently offline Pete Nicholls
Messages: 6
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Thanks for posting the agenda. I have been on vacation the last few days
and had started this when I saw your posting.

Here is the list of attendees I (and IBM Security) expect. If you are not
on this list but plan on attending let me know. Anyone needing hotel
info, directions etc...let me know and I will send them out to you.

I will have a dial-in number available for the meeting and will post that
for those who wish to dail-in. So far, Susan Macchia (Intel), Sumit
Sarkar (HP) and Darin Wright have expressed interest in dailing in.

Attendees:

Texas Instruments:
Chris Recoskie
Dobrin Alexiev
Paul Gingrich
Martin Imrisek
Brian Cruikshank
Andy Waterson

IBM (all local to 8200):
Pete Nicholls
Alan Boxall
Samantha Chan

Nokia:
Paul Warren
Ken Ryall

Freescale Semiconductor:
John Cortell
Daymon Rogers

ATI - Mentor Graphics:
Mark Bozeman

QNX:
Derrick Keefe
Alain Magloire
Mikhail Khodjaiants

WindRiver:
Doug Gaff
Eugene Tarassov
Felix Burton
Michael Scharf
Randy Rohrbach
Ted Williams
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #1694 is a reply to message #1673] Thu, 14 July 2005 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: dschaefer.rogers.com

Hi Pete,

I'll be dialing in as much as I can as well.

Doug (IBM)

Pete Nicholls wrote:
> Thanks for posting the agenda. I have been on vacation the last few
> days and had started this when I saw your posting.
>
> Here is the list of attendees I (and IBM Security) expect. If you are
> not on this list but plan on attending let me know. Anyone needing
> hotel info, directions etc...let me know and I will send them out to you.
>
> I will have a dial-in number available for the meeting and will post
> that for those who wish to dail-in. So far, Susan Macchia (Intel),
> Sumit Sarkar (HP) and Darin Wright have expressed interest in dailing in.
>
> Attendees:
>
> Texas Instruments:
> Chris Recoskie
> Dobrin Alexiev
> Paul Gingrich
> Martin Imrisek
> Brian Cruikshank
> Andy Waterson
>
> IBM (all local to 8200):
> Pete Nicholls
> Alan Boxall
> Samantha Chan
>
> Nokia:
> Paul Warren
> Ken Ryall
>
> Freescale Semiconductor:
> John Cortell
> Daymon Rogers
>
> ATI - Mentor Graphics:
> Mark Bozeman
>
> QNX:
> Derrick Keefe
> Alain Magloire
> Mikhail Khodjaiants
>
> WindRiver:
> Doug Gaff
> Eugene Tarassov
> Felix Burton
> Michael Scharf
> Randy Rohrbach
> Ted Williams
>
>


--
Doug Schaefer, Senior Software Developer
IBM Rational Software, Ottawa Lab
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #3022 is a reply to message #1609] Tue, 19 July 2005 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: crecoskie.ti.com

I have setup a WebEex for both days:

July 19: Attendee Only - Click to join/register: http://ti.webex.com and
enter the meeting number: 751 318 940

July 20: Attendee Only - Click to join/register: http://ti.webex.com and
enter the meeting number: 751 420 769

Password for both days: dsdp
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #3038 is a reply to message #1609] Tue, 19 July 2005 16:52 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: crecoskie.ti.com

Teleconference info: 866-576-2504 conf 6392948
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #566936 is a reply to message #1609] Wed, 13 July 2005 16:42 Go to previous message
Greg Watson is currently offline Greg Watson
Messages: 111
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Yes, it's a shame there wasn't more advanced notice of this meeting.

We've been working on a parallel debug model (extending the debug model
to support multiple processes and commands/events dealing with multiple
processes), a parallel process view (i.e. how to display/interact with
multiple processes simultaneousely) and extensions to the source viewer
to deal with multiple processes sharing the same source view.

Greg


Doug Gaff wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Sorry for the late email on this. I believe Pete Nichols or I have been
> in contact with most of you over email already, so hopefully everyone
> who has expressed interest in this meeting is already attending.
>
> Many thanks to Pete and IBM for hosting the meeting. Below is
> information about the event as well as a list of attendees. This
> meeting is open to the public, of course, so please let us know if you'd
> like to attend but are not already on the list.
>
> Also below is an initial agenda that Alan Boxall put together with some
> slight modifications by me.
>
> Doug
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Working Agenda
>
>
> Introductions
> Summarize current status of DSDP proposal
> Agree on the goals for this meeting
>
> Debug core (org.eclipse.debug)
> - Flexible hierarchy (Current debug core enforces a fixed hierarchy)
> - Propose solution to allow for flexible parent/child relationships
> (presenter: Alan Boxall)
> - Solution 1: Use extension point to register hierarchy. Debug core
> would read and use this hierarchy.
> - Solution 2: Use getAdapter code to "discover" hierarchy
> - This would influence the content of views... e.g. Debug and Register
> views
> - Multiple language support
> - Allow different "Targets" to exist under a single target
>
> Debug views
> - View update policies (presenter: Samantha Chan)
> - Propose that models drive view updates instead of current method of
> views reacting to a debug event
> e.g in R31 after a step over the model is asked 27 times "Can you step
> over?" in attempt to get the correct enable/disable state of actions and
> buttons
> - Customize existing view content for views supplied by debug core
> Possible presenter: Wind River
> - New common views
> - debug console, does someone have one that can be contributed?
> - Specialized memory views/logical structures
> - Does the 3.1 memory support satisfy all requirements?
> - What about logical structures? Are they at the correct level of
> detail?
> - Editor integration
> - Should core debug help integrate "default" editor with debug function?
> - Breakpoint view
> - Do the current "Global" breakpoints satisfy the requirements of
> DSDP implementers?
> - Responses to view use-cases by Darin (via phone)
>
> Debuggee interaction
> - Handle slower connections, handle serialized connections
> - Current threaded debug core is very difficult to connect to a debug
> engine that can only process commands serially
> - Possible solution: have mode that forces serialized calls to debug
> target
>
> Scalability of Debug view (Presenter: Wind River)
> - How to control the context for content of views
> - How can we help a user work with many processes?
> - Filters
> - Visual queues (Use of colours was suggested)
>
> Wrap up
> Discuss plans for next meeting
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Attendees and Logistics
>
>
> IBM
> Alan Boxall
> Samantha Chan
> Pete Nicholls
>
> QNX
> Derrick Keefe
> Alain Magloire
> Mikhail Khodjaiants
>
> Intel
> Susan Macchia (phone)
>
> Mentor Graphics
> Mark Bozeman
>
> HP
> Sumit Sarkar (phone)
>
> Wind River
> Doug Gaff
> Felix Burton
> Randy Rohrbach
> Ted Williams
>
> Nokia
> Paul Warren
> Ken Ryall
>
> Texas Instruments
> Chris Recoskie
> Andy Waterson
> Annie Chen
> Brian Cruikshank
> Alex Dorbin
> Paul Gingrich
> Martin Imrisek
>
> Meeting Details: Tuesday July 19th (noon) to Wednesday July 20th (4 pm)
> Location: IBM Toronto Software Development Lab
> (http://www.can.ibm.com/torontolab/)
> 8200 Warden Ave. East
> Markham, On
> L6G 1C7
>
> Meeting Room: Willow Education Room
> Conference number: TBD
>
> The room will be available all day Tuesday and Wednesday for those who
> are arriving early.
>
> Area hotels: (the hilton is about a 2 minute walk)
>
> Hilton Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham*
> 8500 Warden Avenue
> Markham, Ontario
> Phone: 905 470-8500
> http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml;jsessionid=4KXATC2AU1HHJJ31AOQMISQ?ctyhocn=YYZAPHF
>
>
> Distance to 8200 Warden: 0.5 km
> *Formerly known as Embassy Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham
>
> Radisson Hotel Toronto-Markham
> 50 East Valhalla Drive
> Markham, Ontario
> Phone: 905 477-2010
> Distance to 8200 Warden: 3 km
>
> Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites Markham
> 7095 Woodbine Ave.
> Markham, Ontario
> Phone: 905 474-0444
> Distance to 8200 Warden: 5 km
>
>
> Driving Directions:
>
> The lab is just off Warden Ave between Highway 407 and Highway 7 in
> Markham.
>
> From Airport:
> To 8200 using the 407 Express Toll Route*:
> When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 427 North. Drive
> north on Highway 427 and exit on to Highway 407 ETR East. Follow Highway
> 407 ETR east for 28 km to the Warden Ave exit. Turn left (north) at the
> Warden Ave exit stop light. Go north on Warden Ave and prepare to exit
> right on to the IBM overpass which will take you into the Lab.
> *Please advise the auto rental agency before taking the 407 ETR . The
> toll (approx. $6.00 CDN one way + possible auto rental agency
> administration fees) will be billed to your credit card.
>
> To 8200 using Highway 401:
> When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 401 East. Drive
> east on Highway 401 for 27 Kilometres to the Don Valley Parkway/404
> exit. Go north (towards Newmarket) on the 404 and exit at Hwy 7. Proceed
> east on Hwy 7 to South Town Centre Blvd (South Town Centre Blvd is east
> of Rodick Rd and west of Warden Ave). Turn right (south) on South Town
> Centre Blvd Follow this road straight into the Lab.
> GTA map with location of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
> Area map of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
>
>
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #566975 is a reply to message #1639] Wed, 13 July 2005 18:02 Go to previous message
Doug Gaff is currently offline Doug Gaff
Messages: 150
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Greg,

Sorry about that. I saw your email to Martin on the Target Management
sub-project, but I apparently overlooked your comment about debugging.

Any chance you can still join us either in person or via phone? Pete
will send out the conference number next week.

Doug


"Greg Watson" <gwatson@lanl.gov> wrote in message news:gwatson@lanl.gov:

> Yes, it's a shame there wasn't more advanced notice of this meeting.
>
> We've been working on a parallel debug model (extending the debug model
> to support multiple processes and commands/events dealing with multiple
> processes), a parallel process view (i.e. how to display/interact with
> multiple processes simultaneousely) and extensions to the source viewer
> to deal with multiple processes sharing the same source view.
>
> Greg
>
>
> Doug Gaff wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Sorry for the late email on this. I believe Pete Nichols or I have been
> > in contact with most of you over email already, so hopefully everyone
> > who has expressed interest in this meeting is already attending.
> >
> > Many thanks to Pete and IBM for hosting the meeting. Below is
> > information about the event as well as a list of attendees. This
> > meeting is open to the public, of course, so please let us know if you'd
> > like to attend but are not already on the list.
> >
> > Also below is an initial agenda that Alan Boxall put together with some
> > slight modifications by me.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Working Agenda
> >
> >
> > Introductions
> > Summarize current status of DSDP proposal
> > Agree on the goals for this meeting
> >
> > Debug core (org.eclipse.debug)
> > - Flexible hierarchy (Current debug core enforces a fixed hierarchy)
> > - Propose solution to allow for flexible parent/child relationships
> > (presenter: Alan Boxall)
> > - Solution 1: Use extension point to register hierarchy. Debug core
> > would read and use this hierarchy.
> > - Solution 2: Use getAdapter code to "discover" hierarchy
> > - This would influence the content of views... e.g. Debug and Register
> > views
> > - Multiple language support
> > - Allow different "Targets" to exist under a single target
> >
> > Debug views
> > - View update policies (presenter: Samantha Chan)
> > - Propose that models drive view updates instead of current method of
> > views reacting to a debug event
> > e.g in R31 after a step over the model is asked 27 times "Can you step
> > over?" in attempt to get the correct enable/disable state of actions and
> > buttons
> > - Customize existing view content for views supplied by debug core
> > Possible presenter: Wind River
> > - New common views
> > - debug console, does someone have one that can be contributed?
> > - Specialized memory views/logical structures
> > - Does the 3.1 memory support satisfy all requirements?
> > - What about logical structures? Are they at the correct level of
> > detail?
> > - Editor integration
> > - Should core debug help integrate "default" editor with debug function?
> > - Breakpoint view
> > - Do the current "Global" breakpoints satisfy the requirements of
> > DSDP implementers?
> > - Responses to view use-cases by Darin (via phone)
> >
> > Debuggee interaction
> > - Handle slower connections, handle serialized connections
> > - Current threaded debug core is very difficult to connect to a debug
> > engine that can only process commands serially
> > - Possible solution: have mode that forces serialized calls to debug
> > target
> >
> > Scalability of Debug view (Presenter: Wind River)
> > - How to control the context for content of views
> > - How can we help a user work with many processes?
> > - Filters
> > - Visual queues (Use of colours was suggested)
> >
> > Wrap up
> > Discuss plans for next meeting
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Attendees and Logistics
> >
> >
> > IBM
> > Alan Boxall
> > Samantha Chan
> > Pete Nicholls
> >
> > QNX
> > Derrick Keefe
> > Alain Magloire
> > Mikhail Khodjaiants
> >
> > Intel
> > Susan Macchia (phone)
> >
> > Mentor Graphics
> > Mark Bozeman
> >
> > HP
> > Sumit Sarkar (phone)
> >
> > Wind River
> > Doug Gaff
> > Felix Burton
> > Randy Rohrbach
> > Ted Williams
> >
> > Nokia
> > Paul Warren
> > Ken Ryall
> >
> > Texas Instruments
> > Chris Recoskie
> > Andy Waterson
> > Annie Chen
> > Brian Cruikshank
> > Alex Dorbin
> > Paul Gingrich
> > Martin Imrisek
> >
> > Meeting Details: Tuesday July 19th (noon) to Wednesday July 20th (4 pm)
> > Location: IBM Toronto Software Development Lab
> > (http://www.can.ibm.com/torontolab/)
> > 8200 Warden Ave. East
> > Markham, On
> > L6G 1C7
> >
> > Meeting Room: Willow Education Room
> > Conference number: TBD
> >
> > The room will be available all day Tuesday and Wednesday for those who
> > are arriving early.
> >
> > Area hotels: (the hilton is about a 2 minute walk)
> >
> > Hilton Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham*
> > 8500 Warden Avenue
> > Markham, Ontario
> > Phone: 905 470-8500
> > http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml;jsessionid=4KXATC2AU1HHJJ31AOQMISQ?ctyhocn=YYZAPHF
> >
> >
> > Distance to 8200 Warden: 0.5 km
> > *Formerly known as Embassy Suites Hotel & Conference Centre Toronto/Markham
> >
> > Radisson Hotel Toronto-Markham
> > 50 East Valhalla Drive
> > Markham, Ontario
> > Phone: 905 477-2010
> > Distance to 8200 Warden: 3 km
> >
> > Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites Markham
> > 7095 Woodbine Ave.
> > Markham, Ontario
> > Phone: 905 474-0444
> > Distance to 8200 Warden: 5 km
> >
> >
> > Driving Directions:
> >
> > The lab is just off Warden Ave between Highway 407 and Highway 7 in
> > Markham.
> >
> > From Airport:
> > To 8200 using the 407 Express Toll Route*:
> > When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 427 North. Drive
> > north on Highway 427 and exit on to Highway 407 ETR East. Follow Highway
> > 407 ETR east for 28 km to the Warden Ave exit. Turn left (north) at the
> > Warden Ave exit stop light. Go north on Warden Ave and prepare to exit
> > right on to the IBM overpass which will take you into the Lab.
> > *Please advise the auto rental agency before taking the 407 ETR . The
> > toll (approx. $6.00 CDN one way + possible auto rental agency
> > administration fees) will be billed to your credit card.
> >
> > To 8200 using Highway 401:
> > When exiting the airport follow the signs for Highway 401 East. Drive
> > east on Highway 401 for 27 Kilometres to the Don Valley Parkway/404
> > exit. Go north (towards Newmarket) on the 404 and exit at Hwy 7. Proceed
> > east on Hwy 7 to South Town Centre Blvd (South Town Centre Blvd is east
> > of Rodick Rd and west of Warden Ave). Turn right (south) on South Town
> > Centre Blvd Follow this road straight into the Lab.
> > GTA map with location of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
> > Area map of 8200 Warden Ave. (.pdf)
> >
> >
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #566996 is a reply to message #1609] Wed, 13 July 2005 19:43 Go to previous message
Pete Nicholls is currently offline Pete Nicholls
Messages: 6
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Thanks for posting the agenda. I have been on vacation the last few days
and had started this when I saw your posting.

Here is the list of attendees I (and IBM Security) expect. If you are not
on this list but plan on attending let me know. Anyone needing hotel
info, directions etc...let me know and I will send them out to you.

I will have a dial-in number available for the meeting and will post that
for those who wish to dail-in. So far, Susan Macchia (Intel), Sumit
Sarkar (HP) and Darin Wright have expressed interest in dailing in.

Attendees:

Texas Instruments:
Chris Recoskie
Dobrin Alexiev
Paul Gingrich
Martin Imrisek
Brian Cruikshank
Andy Waterson

IBM (all local to 8200):
Pete Nicholls
Alan Boxall
Samantha Chan

Nokia:
Paul Warren
Ken Ryall

Freescale Semiconductor:
John Cortell
Daymon Rogers

ATI - Mentor Graphics:
Mark Bozeman

QNX:
Derrick Keefe
Alain Magloire
Mikhail Khodjaiants

WindRiver:
Doug Gaff
Eugene Tarassov
Felix Burton
Michael Scharf
Randy Rohrbach
Ted Williams
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #567051 is a reply to message #1673] Thu, 14 July 2005 14:35 Go to previous message
Doug Schaefer is currently offline Doug Schaefer
Messages: 72
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Pete,

I'll be dialing in as much as I can as well.

Doug (IBM)

Pete Nicholls wrote:
> Thanks for posting the agenda. I have been on vacation the last few
> days and had started this when I saw your posting.
>
> Here is the list of attendees I (and IBM Security) expect. If you are
> not on this list but plan on attending let me know. Anyone needing
> hotel info, directions etc...let me know and I will send them out to you.
>
> I will have a dial-in number available for the meeting and will post
> that for those who wish to dail-in. So far, Susan Macchia (Intel),
> Sumit Sarkar (HP) and Darin Wright have expressed interest in dailing in.
>
> Attendees:
>
> Texas Instruments:
> Chris Recoskie
> Dobrin Alexiev
> Paul Gingrich
> Martin Imrisek
> Brian Cruikshank
> Andy Waterson
>
> IBM (all local to 8200):
> Pete Nicholls
> Alan Boxall
> Samantha Chan
>
> Nokia:
> Paul Warren
> Ken Ryall
>
> Freescale Semiconductor:
> John Cortell
> Daymon Rogers
>
> ATI - Mentor Graphics:
> Mark Bozeman
>
> QNX:
> Derrick Keefe
> Alain Magloire
> Mikhail Khodjaiants
>
> WindRiver:
> Doug Gaff
> Eugene Tarassov
> Felix Burton
> Michael Scharf
> Randy Rohrbach
> Ted Williams
>
>


--
Doug Schaefer, Senior Software Developer
IBM Rational Software, Ottawa Lab
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #567455 is a reply to message #1609] Tue, 19 July 2005 13:09 Go to previous message
Chris Recoskie is currently offline Chris Recoskie
Messages: 163
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
I have setup a WebEex for both days:

July 19: Attendee Only - Click to join/register: http://ti.webex.com and
enter the meeting number: 751 318 940

July 20: Attendee Only - Click to join/register: http://ti.webex.com and
enter the meeting number: 751 420 769

Password for both days: dsdp
Re: Device Debug Meeting: Toronto 7/19-7/20 [message #567483 is a reply to message #1609] Tue, 19 July 2005 16:52 Go to previous message
Chris Recoskie is currently offline Chris Recoskie
Messages: 163
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Teleconference info: 866-576-2504 conf 6392948
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