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Groups working on Dynamic Languages? [message #19189] Sat, 23 April 2005 17:26 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: mylastnameruntogether.mycompanyname.com

Are there any groups within the Eclipse foundation working on the needs
of Dynamic Languages? Exemplars would be things such as Lisp, Scheme,
OCaml, or Haskell. I've asked the LDT guys but they're not responding,
which leads me to believe it's a nice idea that someone mentioned but
that nobody's actually doing anything. I am aware of various
individuals who have devised plugins for various Dynamic Languages, with
various levels of completeness. But what I'm really asking about is
*Eclipse group* efforts, on basic infrastructure.

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Re: Groups working on Dynamic Languages? [message #19192 is a reply to message #19189] Sun, 24 April 2005 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Milinkovich is currently offline Mike MilinkovichFriend
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The best possible answer I can say right now is: stay tuned. There is
definitely lots of conversations going on about getting something like this
off the ground. Are you interested in contributing?



"Brandon J. Van Every" <mylastnameruntogether@mycompanyname.com> wrote in
message news:d4e0ha$2tk$1@news.eclipse.org...
> Are there any groups within the Eclipse foundation working on the needs of
> Dynamic Languages? Exemplars would be things such as Lisp, Scheme, OCaml,
> or Haskell. I've asked the LDT guys but they're not responding, which
> leads me to believe it's a nice idea that someone mentioned but that
> nobody's actually doing anything. I am aware of various individuals who
> have devised plugins for various Dynamic Languages, with various levels of
> completeness. But what I'm really asking about is *Eclipse group*
> efforts, on basic infrastructure.
>
> --
> Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com
> Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
>
> When no one else sells courage, supply and demand take hold.
Re: Groups working on Dynamic Languages? [message #19198 is a reply to message #19192] Sun, 24 April 2005 04:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: mylastnameruntogether.mycompanyname.com

Mike Milinkovich wrote:

>The best possible answer I can say right now is: stay tuned. There is
>definitely lots of conversations going on about getting something like this
>off the ground. Are you interested in contributing?
>
>
>
I don't have the Java or Eclipse expertise to contribute at this time.
However, I would like to keep tabs on developments, especially to give
feedback on what a non-Java HLL programmer is looking for. Right now my
plan is to try out DrSchme because it has its own self-contained IDE.
This I think will simply be easier in the short term, as from comments
like "stay tuned" I believe that Eclipse development on Dynamic
Languages is not quite where I'd like it to be yet. From having read
all the LDT backposts, I see many personalities and approaches in play,
so I'd like to see some resolution, structure, and observable roadmaps /
timetables / plans before trying to slot myself into anything.

If I went the Eclipse route to Scheme, it would be using the Schemeway
plugin. http://schemeway.sourceforge.net/ This is the work of 1 very
productive / overworked author. It is not a much documented tool, and
it has the "author can get killed by a bus" problem. The author is big
into Kawa Scheme, which does Java compliation IIUC. I've been more
interested in Bigloo Scheme, which has C, Java, and C# backends.

Also there's a fundamental issue of build culture to resolve. A Scheme
programmer is loathe to depend directly upon Java to do builds, i.e.
Ant. I also find 'make' distasteful; Scheme is a better language, why
not base build tools on that? So possibilities I see: use the 'make'
with Scheme syntax found in DrScheme (IIUC), use Scheme to interface to
Ant XML files, or use GNU Conjure http://home.gna.org/conjure/ . I
don't have an opinion yet on which way is the least painful to go. I
only know that as long as I'm doing Scheme, I won't put up with 'make'.

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Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA

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Re: Groups working on Dynamic Languages? [message #19201 is a reply to message #19198] Sun, 24 April 2005 07:53 Go to previous message
Mike Milinkovich is currently offline Mike MilinkovichFriend
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That makes good sense. When I said "stay tuned" I meant I hope that we will
soon get some work started. It will be a TBD longer time before we have
something done.

> This I think will simply be easier in the short term, as from comments
> like "stay tuned" I believe that Eclipse development on Dynamic Languages
> is not quite where I'd like it to be yet. From having read all the LDT
> backposts, I see many personalities and approaches in play, so I'd like to
> see some resolution, structure, and observable roadmaps / timetables /
> plans before trying to slot myself into anything.
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