|Q: Borland contribution for Eclipse? [message #16796]
||Fri, 11 March 2005 13:55
Originally posted by: constantine.plotnikov.gmail.com|
I have read several press releases about Borland joining Eclipse etc.
And I still have not got what Borland is going to contribute (if it is
going). My guesses range from Together for Eclipe to some GEF replacement.
Could someone who was at EclipseCON and heard from Borland write about
it or direct me to appropriate resource?
|Re: Borland contribution for Eclipse? [message #17505 is a reply to message #17169]
||Wed, 16 March 2005 18:04
| Mike Milinkovich
Registered: July 2009
There is no way that Actuate can *make* someone use their commercial |
product. Once it is EPL it is EPL. I know Mike Thoma well, and I am sure it
was just a poor choice of words on his part. And even with the words he did
choose, you can elect to interpret what he said as benign unless you're a
conspiracy theory junky :-D
Eclipse has a novel approach to doing business-supported open source in an
open and transparent way. That is not news. And I happen to think it works
What's in it for the new members? Well, the same thing that was in it for
IBM, HP, SAP, Intel, QNX and all the other companies that supported the
Foundation from its inception: the ability to use and help evolve a great
platform for them to build their tools and frameworks. The opportunity to
lead a project and contribute to open source in a way that is beneficial to
both the community and their business.
"James D Carroll" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
> Well, "inept" might be a bit harsh. But you can find an similar appraisal
> Borland and its outlook here (page 45):
> The last two weeks have certainly been exciting for Eclipse with the
> of companies coming on board.
> But I wonder:
> Borland bought Together, yet now wants to be a part of Eclipse in the
> GEF/EMF realm. Why?
> Sybase has Powerbuilder and now wants to be a part of Eclipse? Why?
> CA, WindRiver.... all of these are "for profit" companies with lots of
> stockholders for whom the word Eclipse is either a dazzling astrological
> event or a tasty Wrigly product (possibly both).
> I'm more than willing to admit my tendancy to be rash, but I can't help
> wonder what's in it for them? Or maybe that's already been answered:
> "Once we've converted developers from hand coded JSP and Java to using a
> tool [BIRT] we've have a good shot at _MAKING_ them use our commercial
> for] reporting products as well."
> Mike Thoma, vice president of product marketing
> Actuate (BIRT Project leader)
> http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=D35F3CBE-9953 -4641-A9D7-975DA5F8D975
> emphasis mine; link from Eclipse home page.
> Very best wishes,
> "Mike Milinkovich" <email@example.com> wrote in message
>> Ouch. How did you jump to a scenario like that?
>> The conversations I've had with the Borland people have focused on
>> *complementing* the existing GEF and EMF projects. They are also big fans
>> those projects.
>> And the people I've talked to there certainly did not seem inept to me.
>> "James D Carroll" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
>> >I sincerely hope that it will not involve replacing GEF. Seems to me
>> > lots of folks have put a lot effort into GEF. I'd hate to see it tossed
>> > aside in favor of an graphical API in its death throws due to Borland's
>> > ineptness.
>> > "Mike Milinkovich" <email@example.com> wrote in message
>> > news:firstname.lastname@example.org...
>> >> There will be some announcements coming up over the next couple of
>> > on
>> >> what project Borland will be leading. It will definitely be in the
>> > modeling
>> >> area.
>> >> "Constantine Plotnikov" <email@example.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:firstname.lastname@example.org...
>> >> >I have read several press releases about Borland joining Eclipse etc.
>> >> >And
>> > I
>> >> >still have not got what Borland is going to contribute (if it is
>> > My
>> >> >guesses range from Together for Eclipe to some GEF replacement.
>> >> >
>> >> > Could someone who was at EclipseCON and heard from Borland write
>> > it
>> >> > or direct me to appropriate resource?
>> >> >
>> >> > Constantine
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