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israel ocana is currently offline israel ocanaFriend
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hi to all Smile
im hate that my first post is to ask for help but im in a pickle here... i work for a health care organization and recently we were selected to develop a number of systems to handle information from hospitals and personel from the organization... its been a long time since i coded anything (i'll fail in making a "hello world" right now)and more so in java, but since our projects must be web based and have validation of users in the active directory (we're in a domain network) i tought it would be nice to try java.
now i come to the big question: which IDE to use? i've been reading that Eclipse is the most popular but i can't seem to find out why, and which version?, so, if anyone could give me advice in which version of Eclipse to use i will be eternally gratefull, also i'm downloading the Eclipse standard installer but i see a bunch of other packages which i have no idea if i need :S... im at a loss here, trow me a bone plz.

i also read that Netbeans is a good option, which one do you prefer and why? (between Netbeans ans Eclipse)

thanks for your time Smile
Re: starting developer in need of advice [message #1137596 is a reply to message #1137488] Mon, 14 October 2013 15:53 Go to previous message
Russell Bateman is currently offline Russell BatemanFriend
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On 10/14/2013 9:05 AM, israel ocana wrote:
> hi to all :)
> im hate that my first post is to ask for help but im in a pickle here...
> i work for a health care organization and recently we were selected to
> develop a number of systems to handle information from hospitals and
> personel from the organization... its been a long time since i coded
> anything (i'll fail in making a "hello world" right now)and more so in
> java, but since our projects must be web based and have validation of
> users in the active directory (we're in a domain network) i tought it
> would be nice to try java.
> now i come to the big question: which IDE to use? i've been reading that
> Eclipse is the most popular but i can't seem to find out why, and which
> version?, so, if anyone could give me advice in which version of Eclipse
> to use i will be eternally gratefull, also i'm downloading the Eclipse
> standard installer but i see a bunch of other packages which i have no
> idea if i need :S... im at a loss here, trow me a bone plz.
>
> i also read that Netbeans is a good option, which one do you prefer and
> why? (between Netbeans ans Eclipse)
>
> thanks for your time :)

Of course, what you've just asked for is religious commentary.

NetBeans is an easier start-up; I tried it early on when I was
struggling myself with Eclipse, but I don't know how far it will take
you. I think it's still owned by Oracle. Despite all the FUD, so far,
Oracle hasn't worked too hard to make life hard for the Java world.
NetBeans is a free IDE.

IntelliJ is a great IDE by all accounts including people whose opinions
I respect. Its adepts are extremely religious. I have never used it. It
costs a bit of money per seat.

When it comes down to it, Eclipse is the platform used to develop the
vast majority of commercial Java applications including web applications
written in Java. Everyone I know who started out in NetBeans because of
its perception as being easier, ended up in Eclipse anyway. The Eclipse
community is vast; you will not find an array of forums anything like as
broad as those at eclipse.org.

As a veteran of especially web applications in Java, but also a bit of
Android programming, I would encourage you to choose Eclipse. I hear
good things from other communities about Eclipse too--so many choose it
as the platform on which to build their development (even non-Java).

If you choose Eclipse, ...

....you will find this forum (Eclipse newcomers') as a kinder, gentler
one pretty much à la javaranch.com (a great place for Java questions--it
also has a fairly broad topic list of forums within Java). Come here
first (just as you have done).

The best supported platforms are Windows, Linux and Macintosh. Sometimes
questions about the latter require expertise users of the two former
don't always have, but you'll just wait only a few minutes longer most
of the time if your question is really a Macintosh one.

As you want to do web programming, ...

....you'll want to subscribe to the Eclipse web tools platform forum as
well. Ask your questions on getting Eclipse up and running, and how to
use it, in this forum. Ask questions about wiring servlet containers
like Tomcat, JBoss, etc. in the Eclipse WTP forum.

Whatever forum you're in, try to ask very specific and pointed
questions. Use Google a lot before asking. Try to learn the terminology
so your questions are in the language spoken (I don't just mean English)
by those who are going to answer.

You want to download...

....Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers from eclipse.org. Don't get it
from anywhere else.

You'll also want to get the latest Java 7 __JDK__ from
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html. I
would suggest Tomcat 6 because so many web developers use it, but JBoss
is also a good option.

I would particularly recommend the tutorials at
http://www.vogella.com/web.html, especially the first two and last one
at Java Networking. These are by no means the only ones, but this site
has some of the best cradle-to-grave stuff you can find.

Hope this helps; best of luck.

Russ
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