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Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15346] Sat, 19 February 2005 02:58 Go to next message
Christopher M. Judd is currently offline Christopher M. Judd
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Does anyone know how many downloads of Eclipse there has been? How many per
platform?
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15412 is a reply to message #15346] Sat, 19 February 2005 05:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: bob.objfac.com

Christopher M. Judd wrote:
> Does anyone know how many downloads of Eclipse there has been? How many per
> platform?

Good question! We would all like to know that. Hey, Eclipse foundation,
how about some marketing support? ;-}

Bob Foster
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15577 is a reply to message #15412] Sun, 20 February 2005 01:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ian.REMOVE.eclipse.org

"Bob Foster" <bob@objfac.com> wrote in message
news:4216D328.5010900@objfac.com...
> Christopher M. Judd wrote:
>> Does anyone know how many downloads of Eclipse there has been? How many
>> per
>> platform?
>
> Good question! We would all like to know that. Hey, Eclipse foundation,
> how about some marketing support? ;-}

Ok you asked for it :-). We have had 50 million download request since
Eclipse was started in 2001. In 2004 alone, we had 30 million download
request.
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15609 is a reply to message #15577] Sun, 20 February 2005 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: bob.objfac.com

Ian Skerrett wrote:
> Ok you asked for it :-). We have had 50 million download request since
> Eclipse was started in 2001. In 2004 alone, we had 30 million download
> request.

Thanks!

Bob Foster
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15753 is a reply to message #15577] Sun, 20 February 2005 19:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Christopher M. Judd is currently offline Christopher M. Judd
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> Ok you asked for it :-). We have had 50 million download request since
> Eclipse was started in 2001. In 2004 alone, we had 30 million download
> request.

Thanks. This is very helpful. Do you also have the numbers per operating
system?
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15854 is a reply to message #15577] Tue, 22 February 2005 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: eclipse-news.forritan.net

Ian Skerrett wrote:
> Ok you asked for it :-). We have had 50 million download request since
> Eclipse was started in 2001. In 2004 alone, we had 30 million download
> request.

Hmmm... Ok, how many of these downloads included the JDT? Sun is
estimating the number of Java developers to be 4 million... Some how I'm
getting the feeling that they are underestimating this number. :-)
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15890 is a reply to message #15753] Tue, 22 February 2005 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ian.REMOVE.eclipse.org

>
> Thanks. This is very helpful. Do you also have the numbers per operating
> system?


Sorry I don't have them broken out by operating system.
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15908 is a reply to message #15854] Tue, 22 February 2005 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ian.REMOVE.eclipse.org

"Ey
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15926 is a reply to message #15908] Tue, 22 February 2005 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: SamMesh.gmail.com

Ian Skerrett wrote:
> Please be careful with these numbers. We can only count download 'request'.
> This does not equate to the number of users. Lots of people will download
> Eclipse multiple times over a given period of time. Unfortunately, we do
> not have numbers that indicate number of users.

What technology does Eclipse use for access statistics?

--
Sam Mesh
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15965 is a reply to message #15926] Fri, 25 February 2005 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We are in the process of gathering download statistics at a finer level.
I will be showing Ian how to use some new tools to present these
statistics to you in the near future.

In the meanwhile, based on the last thirty days, here are a few download
numbers for you:

/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-win32.zip 249190
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk.zip 35056
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz 8809
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-motif.zip 3348
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk-amd64.zip 1406
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-solaris-motif.zip 1357
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-hpux-motif.zip 227
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-aix-motif.zip 219
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk-ia64.zip 191
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-hpux-motif-ia64.zip 116

In the same period,
/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-JDT-3.0.1.zip 1723

As Ian said, they are download requests only, and they include the
mirror sites.

Denis

Sam Mesh wrote:
> Ian Skerrett wrote:
>
>> Please be careful with these numbers. We can only count download
>> 'request'. This does not equate to the number of users. Lots of
>> people will download Eclipse multiple times over a given period of
>> time. Unfortunately, we do not have numbers that indicate number of
>> users.
>
>
> What technology does Eclipse use for access statistics?
>


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Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #15986 is a reply to message #15965] Fri, 25 February 2005 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: SamMesh.gmail.com

Thanks Denis,

Quite Impressive Numbers (not as ours:)!

BTW, I was asking in BIRT for WebLog reporting.
They agree this would be a good use case for BIRT.

Any hints, where this statistics came from?
What about mirrors?

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Sam Mesh

WebMaster wrote:
> We are in the process of gathering download statistics at a finer level.
> I will be showing Ian how to use some new tools to present these
> statistics to you in the near future.
>
> In the meanwhile, based on the last thirty days, here are a few download
> numbers for you:
>
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-win32.zip 249190
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk.zip 35056
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz 8809
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-motif.zip 3348
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk-amd64.zip 1406
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-solaris-motif.zip 1357
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-hpux-motif.zip 227
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-aix-motif.zip 219
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk-ia64.zip 191
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-hpux-motif-ia64.zip 116
>
> In the same period,
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-JDT-3.0.1.zip 1723
>
> As Ian said, they are download requests only, and they include the
> mirror sites.
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #16004 is a reply to message #15986] Fri, 25 February 2005 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The stats come from a MySQL database. When you download a file that
prompts you to select a mirror, I track the file, the mirror you
selected, and test the mirror for the presence of the file, into a MySQL
database. This way, the numbers you see include downloads from mirror
sites as well as from eclipse.org.

Parsing the Apache logs is tedious for any application because of the
volume of logs generated (eclipse downloads can generate in excess of 15
MB per day), and because it include other files, such as .jpg, .html and
..php files, it is rather inefficient. Also, our Apache logs do not
include mirror downloads, so they are inaccurate. The tracking via
MySQL is extremely clean and efficient, and very easy to query.

Denis

Sam Mesh wrote:
> Thanks Denis,
>
> Quite Impressive Numbers (not as ours:)!
>
> BTW, I was asking in BIRT for WebLog reporting.
> They agree this would be a good use case for BIRT.
>
> Any hints, where this statistics came from?
> What about mirrors?
>


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Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #16022 is a reply to message #15965] Fri, 25 February 2005 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ian.no.spam.please

WebMaster wrote:
> We are in the process of gathering download statistics at a finer level.
> I will be showing Ian how to use some new tools to present these
> statistics to you in the near future.
>
> In the meanwhile, based on the last thirty days, here are a few download
> numbers for you:
>
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-win32.zip 249190
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk.zip 35056
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-macosx-carbon.tar.gz 8809
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-motif.zip 3348
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk-amd64.zip 1406
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-solaris-motif.zip 1357
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-hpux-motif.zip 227
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-aix-motif.zip 219
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk-ia64.zip 191
> /R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-hpux-motif-ia64.zip 116

So the figures show requested downloads, not necessarily competed ones.

Pipe all but the first line through awk '{t+=$2}END{print t}'

and see that the whole UNIX/Linux family together requested 50,729
downloads vs 249,190 for MS-Windows. If the numbers aren't skewed by
something like MS-Windows developers having a lot more trouble finishing
downloads than UNIX developers :-), then there are almost exactly 5
times as many people developing with Eclipse under MS-Windows than
there are under UNIX/Linux.

It would be interesting to see if that correlates with stats from Sun on
actual JDK downloads.
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #16040 is a reply to message #16004] Sat, 26 February 2005 00:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: SamMesh.gmail.com

As Ian mentioned, "So the figures show requested downloads, not
necessarily completed ones." AFAIK, from Apache logs we can determine
that download completed?

Of course, mirrors are out of the scope of detailed logging unless ...?

BTW, we have about one mega-logo-day of Apache logs and still can do a
full year report from Web Log Expert (hope to replace them with BIRT). I
think, BIRT will do comprehensive reporting of the 15 mega-logo-days
importing raw log data into something well structured. Personally, will
help them. :)

--
Sam Mesh

WebMaster wrote:
> The stats come from a MySQL database. When you download a file that
> prompts you to select a mirror, I track the file, the mirror you
> selected, and test the mirror for the presence of the file, into a MySQL
> database. This way, the numbers you see include downloads from mirror
> sites as well as from eclipse.org.
>
> Parsing the Apache logs is tedious for any application because of the
> volume of logs generated (eclipse downloads can generate in excess of 15
> MB per day), and because it include other files, such as .jpg, .html and
> .php files, it is rather inefficient. Also, our Apache logs do not
> include mirror downloads, so they are inaccurate. The tracking via
> MySQL is extremely clean and efficient, and very easy to query.
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #16077 is a reply to message #16022] Sat, 26 February 2005 03:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ian Darwin wrote:

> So the figures show requested downloads, not necessarily competed ones.

Impossible to tell with any degree of accuracy if a download completes.
Especially if it was served by a mirror. One could refine the stats to
eliminate duplicates based on IP and file, but hey. This data isn't
going to be used for patenting a cure for cancer, right?

D.
Re: Eclipse Download Statistics [message #16127 is a reply to message #16077] Mon, 28 February 2005 18:03 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ian.no.spam.please

Eclipse WebMaster (Denis Roy) wrote:
> Ian Darwin wrote:
>
>> So the figures show requested downloads, not necessarily competed ones.
>
>
> Impossible to tell with any degree of accuracy if a download completes.
> Especially if it was served by a mirror. One could refine the stats to
> eliminate duplicates based on IP and file, but hey. This data isn't
> going to be used for patenting a cure for cancer, right?

Sure, I wasn't trying to start an argument, just comment on the validity
of the statistical data. I agree the figures are impressive!
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