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| Re: Discussions on the new requirements model for ORMF [message #15424 is a reply to message #15391] |
Thu, 12 February 2009 10:04   |
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Hi Anders,
I wonder if I don't understand what SysML is about in its fullness or if you
don't understand the vision of ORMF.
ORMF is, as its name implies, an open requirements management framework. It
is not a modelling tool but a means to capture, elucidate, organise, manage
and report on requirements. The Wiki page
(http://wiki.eclipse.org/Requirements_Statement) provides a succinct list of
capabilities we see as essential for such a framework. Modelling is not
among them.
If you think that SysML is a candidate for being the underlying model for
such a tool, then I would really appreciate if you would explain how you see
this. We are always open to new ideas and learning.
Btw, we do not see ourselves in competition with anyone. If someone has a
better idea on achieving these goals we would be more than happy to
collaborate with them. Would you care to say who this is?
All the best,
Joel
On 11/02/2009 21:12, in article 49933F58.2060500@toolsmiths.se, "Anders
W.Tell" <opensource@toolsmiths.se> wrote:
> Hi, I would suggest to build the model on OMG SysML, if not, then this project
> will have a big, big
> competitor it can't win over.
>
> cheers
> /anders
>
>
> Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
>> Hi everybody.
>>
>> We currently have a discussion going on on the needs of the new
>> requirements model that will be at the core of ORMF. All contributions
>> to this discussions are on the project's wiki and may be found at
>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Requirements_Model and
>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Requirements_Model_Part_Two
>>
>> You are all welcome to peruse and butt in.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> B.
--
Joel Rosi-Schwartz
Etish Limited [http://www.etish.org]
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| Re: Discussions on the new requirements model for ORMF [message #15494 is a reply to message #15458] |
Fri, 13 February 2009 17:33 |
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Anders,
I have read through chapter 16 with great interest. I agree with you on the
importance of SysML, no disagreement there. Now while ORMF is not a
modelling tool, it is our intention to support model diagram generation in a
future release, hopefully release 2. I will make sure that the model is
capable of capturing all the information needed to generate SysML
requirements diagrams as per the spec. In fact, I can also envision that a
SysML requirements model could be generated by transformation. To determine
the feasibility if that would take a deeper understanding of SysML on my
part. This again would be for a future release.
Thanks for bringing this up.
And btw, you are always welcome to contribute to ORMF to make sure that this
happened sooner rather than later.
Joel
On 12/02/2009 18:11, in article 49946651.2050705@toolsmiths.se, "Anders
W.Tell" <opensource@toolsmiths.se> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> SysML contains a full section requirements management , chapter 16. Ontop of
> that it has full
> capabilities of UML ie you can model the system that satifies requirements and
> the test cases that
> verifies the requirements.
>
> SysML is quickly becoming the main standardised requirements vehicle and tools
> not integrating
> with it will IMO most likely have a hard time.
>
> cheers
> /anders
>
--
Joel Rosi-Schwartz
Etish Limited [http://www.etish.org]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
^...^
/ o,o \ The proud parents of Useme & ORMF
|) ::: (| Open Requirements Management Framework
====w=w==== [http://www.eclipse.org/ormf/]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
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| Re: Discussions on the new requirements model for ORMF [message #565235 is a reply to message #15391] |
Thu, 12 February 2009 10:04 |
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Hi Anders,
I wonder if I don't understand what SysML is about in its fullness or if you
don't understand the vision of ORMF.
ORMF is, as its name implies, an open requirements management framework. It
is not a modelling tool but a means to capture, elucidate, organise, manage
and report on requirements. The Wiki page
(http://wiki.eclipse.org/Requirements_Statement) provides a succinct list of
capabilities we see as essential for such a framework. Modelling is not
among them.
If you think that SysML is a candidate for being the underlying model for
such a tool, then I would really appreciate if you would explain how you see
this. We are always open to new ideas and learning.
Btw, we do not see ourselves in competition with anyone. If someone has a
better idea on achieving these goals we would be more than happy to
collaborate with them. Would you care to say who this is?
All the best,
Joel
On 11/02/2009 21:12, in article 49933F58.2060500@toolsmiths.se, "Anders
W.Tell" <opensource@toolsmiths.se> wrote:
> Hi, I would suggest to build the model on OMG SysML, if not, then this project
> will have a big, big
> competitor it can't win over.
>
> cheers
> /anders
>
>
> Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
>> Hi everybody.
>>
>> We currently have a discussion going on on the needs of the new
>> requirements model that will be at the core of ORMF. All contributions
>> to this discussions are on the project's wiki and may be found at
>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Requirements_Model and
>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Requirements_Model_Part_Two
>>
>> You are all welcome to peruse and butt in.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> B.
--
Joel Rosi-Schwartz
Etish Limited [http://www.etish.org]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
^...^
/ o,o \ The proud parents of Useme & ORMF
|) ::: (| Open Requirements Management Framework
====w=w==== [http://www.eclipse.org/ormf/]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
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| Re: Discussions on the new requirements model for ORMF [message #565286 is a reply to message #15458] |
Fri, 13 February 2009 17:33 |
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Anders,
I have read through chapter 16 with great interest. I agree with you on the
importance of SysML, no disagreement there. Now while ORMF is not a
modelling tool, it is our intention to support model diagram generation in a
future release, hopefully release 2. I will make sure that the model is
capable of capturing all the information needed to generate SysML
requirements diagrams as per the spec. In fact, I can also envision that a
SysML requirements model could be generated by transformation. To determine
the feasibility if that would take a deeper understanding of SysML on my
part. This again would be for a future release.
Thanks for bringing this up.
And btw, you are always welcome to contribute to ORMF to make sure that this
happened sooner rather than later.
Joel
On 12/02/2009 18:11, in article 49946651.2050705@toolsmiths.se, "Anders
W.Tell" <opensource@toolsmiths.se> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> SysML contains a full section requirements management , chapter 16. Ontop of
> that it has full
> capabilities of UML ie you can model the system that satifies requirements and
> the test cases that
> verifies the requirements.
>
> SysML is quickly becoming the main standardised requirements vehicle and tools
> not integrating
> with it will IMO most likely have a hard time.
>
> cheers
> /anders
>
--
Joel Rosi-Schwartz
Etish Limited [http://www.etish.org]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
^...^
/ o,o \ The proud parents of Useme & ORMF
|) ::: (| Open Requirements Management Framework
====w=w==== [http://www.eclipse.org/ormf/]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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