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Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #14454] Wed, 15 February 2006 04:37 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: roydoor55.yahoo.com

I'm a physician who has been puttering around with Java for some years now,
building small projects mostly for the challenge of learning Java. I'm in
primary care and I've worked with a few EMR's and have never been satisfied.

I encountered Eclipse about a year ago for development and I was immediately
attracted by its ability to present massive quantities of data quickly and
in a highly customizable fashion. I was also attracted to its very
fine-grained development model and the ability to add (and remove) very
small increments of function to a stable base. I have found that physicians
are by and large vary widely in their record-keeping desires. To use a
common data model (as in HL7) but to use the views and editors to build very
specific presentations of the data to the clinician seems intuitive.

How would I be able to look at the CVS for HL7? I doubt that I have much to
add, I just want to look.

Roy Doorenbos
Grinnell, IA
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #14516 is a reply to message #14454] Mon, 20 February 2006 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 96
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Roy,

Good to hear, some doctors still are brave enough to jump into development
and create solutions for problems (mostly caused by so-called "providers"
or institutions like some social securities, etc. ;-)

Have you actually developed some Java stuff already prior to Eclipse?
And where? US, I suspect.

Though most of my own development (backed by dozens of doctors using those
solutions in their own office or clinics) was based on Microsoft
technologies as far back as 12 years ago, I now also bet on Java and
(where there is enough momentum) Eclipse.
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #14605 is a reply to message #14454] Thu, 23 February 2006 21:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: john.waldron.gmail.com

Hi,

To view the work of the HL7 JavaSIG project (HL7 v3 API in Java), you need
to be an active member of HL7. At that point, you can get access to the
version control system by contacting the SIG organizers. Alternatively,
as an HL7 member, you can download a snapshot from the HL7 Members Only
page at www.hl7.org.

John
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #14634 is a reply to message #14454] Tue, 28 February 2006 05:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: grahame.jivamedical.com

hi Roy

Sorry to take so long to answer, I was offline for a while.
You don't say whether you are interested in V2 or V3, they
are quite different beasts.

Either way, there isn't any code - yet. I am working on
code to go into the cvs, and I will announce progress
here when I have some.

in the mean time, there is open source java code:
- v2: hapi at http://sourceforge.net/projects/hl7api
- v3: as in the other response

I think that the OHF code will offer much better tool
chain and application integration (hope, anyway ;-)

Grahame




Roy Doorenbos wrote:
> I'm a physician who has been puttering around with Java for some years now,
> building small projects mostly for the challenge of learning Java. I'm in
> primary care and I've worked with a few EMR's and have never been satisfied.
>
> I encountered Eclipse about a year ago for development and I was immediately
> attracted by its ability to present massive quantities of data quickly and
> in a highly customizable fashion. I was also attracted to its very
> fine-grained development model and the ability to add (and remove) very
> small increments of function to a stable base. I have found that physicians
> are by and large vary widely in their record-keeping desires. To use a
> common data model (as in HL7) but to use the views and editors to build very
> specific presentations of the data to the clinician seems intuitive.
>
> How would I be able to look at the CVS for HL7? I doubt that I have much to
> add, I just want to look.
>
> Roy Doorenbos
> Grinnell, IA
>
>
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #14663 is a reply to message #14634] Tue, 28 February 2006 12:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: roydoor55.yahoo.com

Dear Grahame:

Thanks! I'm just learning about this, so I'm sure I'll have questions. For
now, what is "OHF code"?

Roy


"Grahame Grieve" <grahame@jivamedical.com> wrote in message
news:du0n2k$6qs$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> hi Roy
>
> Sorry to take so long to answer, I was offline for a while.
> You don't say whether you are interested in V2 or V3, they
> are quite different beasts.
>
> Either way, there isn't any code - yet. I am working on
> code to go into the cvs, and I will announce progress
> here when I have some.
>
> in the mean time, there is open source java code:
> - v2: hapi at http://sourceforge.net/projects/hl7api
> - v3: as in the other response
>
> I think that the OHF code will offer much better tool
> chain and application integration (hope, anyway ;-)
>
> Grahame
>
>
>
>
> Roy Doorenbos wrote:
> > I'm a physician who has been puttering around with Java for some years
now,
> > building small projects mostly for the challenge of learning Java. I'm
in
> > primary care and I've worked with a few EMR's and have never been
satisfied.
> >
> > I encountered Eclipse about a year ago for development and I was
immediately
> > attracted by its ability to present massive quantities of data quickly
and
> > in a highly customizable fashion. I was also attracted to its very
> > fine-grained development model and the ability to add (and remove) very
> > small increments of function to a stable base. I have found that
physicians
> > are by and large vary widely in their record-keeping desires. To use a
> > common data model (as in HL7) but to use the views and editors to build
very
> > specific presentations of the data to the clinician seems intuitive.
> >
> > How would I be able to look at the CVS for HL7? I doubt that I have much
to
> > add, I just want to look.
> >
> > Roy Doorenbos
> > Grinnell, IA
> >
> >
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #14693 is a reply to message #14663] Wed, 01 March 2006 04:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: grahame.jivamedical.com

Roy Doorenbos wrote:
> Dear Grahame:
>
> Thanks! I'm just learning about this, so I'm sure I'll have questions. For
> now, what is "OHF code"?

code released under the EPL licence in the OHF project on the standard Eclipse cvs.
What else "OHF code" means is still being clarified.

Grahame

> Roy
>
>
> "Grahame Grieve" <grahame@jivamedical.com> wrote in message
> news:du0n2k$6qs$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>> hi Roy
>>
>> Sorry to take so long to answer, I was offline for a while.
>> You don't say whether you are interested in V2 or V3, they
>> are quite different beasts.
>>
>> Either way, there isn't any code - yet. I am working on
>> code to go into the cvs, and I will announce progress
>> here when I have some.
>>
>> in the mean time, there is open source java code:
>> - v2: hapi at http://sourceforge.net/projects/hl7api
>> - v3: as in the other response
>>
>> I think that the OHF code will offer much better tool
>> chain and application integration (hope, anyway ;-)
>>
>> Grahame
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Roy Doorenbos wrote:
>>> I'm a physician who has been puttering around with Java for some years
> now,
>>> building small projects mostly for the challenge of learning Java. I'm
> in
>>> primary care and I've worked with a few EMR's and have never been
> satisfied.
>>> I encountered Eclipse about a year ago for development and I was
> immediately
>>> attracted by its ability to present massive quantities of data quickly
> and
>>> in a highly customizable fashion. I was also attracted to its very
>>> fine-grained development model and the ability to add (and remove) very
>>> small increments of function to a stable base. I have found that
> physicians
>>> are by and large vary widely in their record-keeping desires. To use a
>>> common data model (as in HL7) but to use the views and editors to build
> very
>>> specific presentations of the data to the clinician seems intuitive.
>>>
>>> How would I be able to look at the CVS for HL7? I doubt that I have much
> to
>>> add, I just want to look.
>>>
>>> Roy Doorenbos
>>> Grinnell, IA
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #14782 is a reply to message #14634] Fri, 03 March 2006 12:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 96
Registered: July 2009
Member
I also have that on my SF bookmark list, and kept an eye on it some time.

So if you would require help incorporating it into OHF code, I would be
happy to contribute to that.
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #17269 is a reply to message #14454] Thu, 29 June 2006 12:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: medsurvey.hotmail.com

While the first parts of OHF are more for the Server side and Business
Logic, using aspects of some rather promissing RCP apps (most of them also
built on top of other Eclipse Plugins) seems an efficient path for a
medical office application based on OHF and Eclipse.

Good examples are
JFire: http://www.jfire.org
or
JMoney: http://jmoney.sourceforge.net/

Since JFire tries to be reusable and modular (actually being a base for a
future ticket sales application) some of their approaches to problems like
users, roles, security, etc. seem pretty good for the client side.

JMoney might be more specific to areas such as the Medical Banking
recently added to this project...?
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #17370 is a reply to message #14454] Mon, 03 July 2006 18:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: medsurvey.hotmail.com

Hi,

Though I am not sure, if a solution like this Eclipse based one was as
affordable as (the mostly free ;-) Google Maps?

However, its integration into Eclipse RCP looks great!
And in case there are affordable Small to Medium Business offerings some
GP especially in remote US or Canadian areas might use it together with a
healthcare solution to visit patients...?

http://www.eclipse.org/community/casestudies/refractionsfina l.pdf

This is NOT a suggested component for OHF in the first place.
However, integration between plugins would make sense, e.g. if a Patient
file may have direct map links to other plugins (or the Web and Google)
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #18099 is a reply to message #17370] Mon, 03 July 2006 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: medsurvey.hotmail.com

Well even though it claims to be more for statistic use than driving
directions, the project is free under the LGPL !

So that makes using it for other pluging of course easier and more
attractive.

And the more statistic nature could e.g. help Eclipse (and OHF ;-) based
Healthcare projects dealing with demographic medical information...
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #18106 is a reply to message #17269] Wed, 05 July 2006 11:27 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: medsurvey.hotmail.com

Now that Eclipse has also published a (growing) list of RCP applications
some of those also look like they cover the Healthcare Domain (or other
office requirements like scheduling and contacts)

Bioclipse (at SF.net) is probably very specific, but for those who need
that in labs it seems to provide great features.

Nomad PIM (also SF.net) covers principal needs like contacts, notes and
meetings. Which is what a Patient Management System (both for GPs and
Clinics) also requires maybe just specialising the contacts a little
more...?
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #566913 is a reply to message #14454] Mon, 20 February 2006 17:11 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 96
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Roy,

Good to hear, some doctors still are brave enough to jump into development
and create solutions for problems (mostly caused by so-called "providers"
or institutions like some social securities, etc. ;-)

Have you actually developed some Java stuff already prior to Eclipse?
And where? US, I suspect.

Though most of my own development (backed by dozens of doctors using those
solutions in their own office or clinics) was based on Microsoft
technologies as far back as 12 years ago, I now also bet on Java and
(where there is enough momentum) Eclipse.
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #566982 is a reply to message #14454] Thu, 23 February 2006 21:51 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: john.waldron.gmail.com

Hi,

To view the work of the HL7 JavaSIG project (HL7 v3 API in Java), you need
to be an active member of HL7. At that point, you can get access to the
version control system by contacting the SIG organizers. Alternatively,
as an HL7 member, you can download a snapshot from the HL7 Members Only
page at www.hl7.org.

John
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #567002 is a reply to message #14454] Tue, 28 February 2006 05:26 Go to previous message
Grahame Grieve is currently offline Grahame Grieve
Messages: 76
Registered: July 2009
Member
hi Roy

Sorry to take so long to answer, I was offline for a while.
You don't say whether you are interested in V2 or V3, they
are quite different beasts.

Either way, there isn't any code - yet. I am working on
code to go into the cvs, and I will announce progress
here when I have some.

in the mean time, there is open source java code:
- v2: hapi at http://sourceforge.net/projects/hl7api
- v3: as in the other response

I think that the OHF code will offer much better tool
chain and application integration (hope, anyway ;-)

Grahame




Roy Doorenbos wrote:
> I'm a physician who has been puttering around with Java for some years now,
> building small projects mostly for the challenge of learning Java. I'm in
> primary care and I've worked with a few EMR's and have never been satisfied.
>
> I encountered Eclipse about a year ago for development and I was immediately
> attracted by its ability to present massive quantities of data quickly and
> in a highly customizable fashion. I was also attracted to its very
> fine-grained development model and the ability to add (and remove) very
> small increments of function to a stable base. I have found that physicians
> are by and large vary widely in their record-keeping desires. To use a
> common data model (as in HL7) but to use the views and editors to build very
> specific presentations of the data to the clinician seems intuitive.
>
> How would I be able to look at the CVS for HL7? I doubt that I have much to
> add, I just want to look.
>
> Roy Doorenbos
> Grinnell, IA
>
>
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #567035 is a reply to message #14634] Tue, 28 February 2006 12:54 Go to previous message
Roy Doorenbos is currently offline Roy Doorenbos
Messages: 3
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Dear Grahame:

Thanks! I'm just learning about this, so I'm sure I'll have questions. For
now, what is "OHF code"?

Roy


"Grahame Grieve" <grahame@jivamedical.com> wrote in message
news:du0n2k$6qs$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> hi Roy
>
> Sorry to take so long to answer, I was offline for a while.
> You don't say whether you are interested in V2 or V3, they
> are quite different beasts.
>
> Either way, there isn't any code - yet. I am working on
> code to go into the cvs, and I will announce progress
> here when I have some.
>
> in the mean time, there is open source java code:
> - v2: hapi at http://sourceforge.net/projects/hl7api
> - v3: as in the other response
>
> I think that the OHF code will offer much better tool
> chain and application integration (hope, anyway ;-)
>
> Grahame
>
>
>
>
> Roy Doorenbos wrote:
> > I'm a physician who has been puttering around with Java for some years
now,
> > building small projects mostly for the challenge of learning Java. I'm
in
> > primary care and I've worked with a few EMR's and have never been
satisfied.
> >
> > I encountered Eclipse about a year ago for development and I was
immediately
> > attracted by its ability to present massive quantities of data quickly
and
> > in a highly customizable fashion. I was also attracted to its very
> > fine-grained development model and the ability to add (and remove) very
> > small increments of function to a stable base. I have found that
physicians
> > are by and large vary widely in their record-keeping desires. To use a
> > common data model (as in HL7) but to use the views and editors to build
very
> > specific presentations of the data to the clinician seems intuitive.
> >
> > How would I be able to look at the CVS for HL7? I doubt that I have much
to
> > add, I just want to look.
> >
> > Roy Doorenbos
> > Grinnell, IA
> >
> >
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #567071 is a reply to message #14663] Wed, 01 March 2006 04:33 Go to previous message
Grahame Grieve is currently offline Grahame Grieve
Messages: 76
Registered: July 2009
Member
Roy Doorenbos wrote:
> Dear Grahame:
>
> Thanks! I'm just learning about this, so I'm sure I'll have questions. For
> now, what is "OHF code"?

code released under the EPL licence in the OHF project on the standard Eclipse cvs.
What else "OHF code" means is still being clarified.

Grahame

> Roy
>
>
> "Grahame Grieve" <grahame@jivamedical.com> wrote in message
> news:du0n2k$6qs$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>> hi Roy
>>
>> Sorry to take so long to answer, I was offline for a while.
>> You don't say whether you are interested in V2 or V3, they
>> are quite different beasts.
>>
>> Either way, there isn't any code - yet. I am working on
>> code to go into the cvs, and I will announce progress
>> here when I have some.
>>
>> in the mean time, there is open source java code:
>> - v2: hapi at http://sourceforge.net/projects/hl7api
>> - v3: as in the other response
>>
>> I think that the OHF code will offer much better tool
>> chain and application integration (hope, anyway ;-)
>>
>> Grahame
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Roy Doorenbos wrote:
>>> I'm a physician who has been puttering around with Java for some years
> now,
>>> building small projects mostly for the challenge of learning Java. I'm
> in
>>> primary care and I've worked with a few EMR's and have never been
> satisfied.
>>> I encountered Eclipse about a year ago for development and I was
> immediately
>>> attracted by its ability to present massive quantities of data quickly
> and
>>> in a highly customizable fashion. I was also attracted to its very
>>> fine-grained development model and the ability to add (and remove) very
>>> small increments of function to a stable base. I have found that
> physicians
>>> are by and large vary widely in their record-keeping desires. To use a
>>> common data model (as in HL7) but to use the views and editors to build
> very
>>> specific presentations of the data to the clinician seems intuitive.
>>>
>>> How would I be able to look at the CVS for HL7? I doubt that I have much
> to
>>> add, I just want to look.
>>>
>>> Roy Doorenbos
>>> Grinnell, IA
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #567145 is a reply to message #14634] Fri, 03 March 2006 12:16 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 96
Registered: July 2009
Member
I also have that on my SF bookmark list, and kept an eye on it some time.

So if you would require help incorporating it into OHF code, I would be
happy to contribute to that.
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #568803 is a reply to message #14454] Thu, 29 June 2006 12:33 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 13
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
While the first parts of OHF are more for the Server side and Business
Logic, using aspects of some rather promissing RCP apps (most of them also
built on top of other Eclipse Plugins) seems an efficient path for a
medical office application based on OHF and Eclipse.

Good examples are
JFire: http://www.jfire.org
or
JMoney: http://jmoney.sourceforge.net/

Since JFire tries to be reusable and modular (actually being a base for a
future ticket sales application) some of their approaches to problems like
users, roles, security, etc. seem pretty good for the client side.

JMoney might be more specific to areas such as the Medical Banking
recently added to this project...?
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #568932 is a reply to message #14454] Mon, 03 July 2006 18:41 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 13
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi,

Though I am not sure, if a solution like this Eclipse based one was as
affordable as (the mostly free ;-) Google Maps?

However, its integration into Eclipse RCP looks great!
And in case there are affordable Small to Medium Business offerings some
GP especially in remote US or Canadian areas might use it together with a
healthcare solution to visit patients...?

http://www.eclipse.org/community/casestudies/refractionsfina l.pdf

This is NOT a suggested component for OHF in the first place.
However, integration between plugins would make sense, e.g. if a Patient
file may have direct map links to other plugins (or the Web and Google)
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #568959 is a reply to message #17370] Mon, 03 July 2006 18:56 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 13
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Well even though it claims to be more for statistic use than driving
directions, the project is free under the LGPL !

So that makes using it for other pluging of course easier and more
attractive.

And the more statistic nature could e.g. help Eclipse (and OHF ;-) based
Healthcare projects dealing with demographic medical information...
Re: Use of Eclipse in a medical office setting. [message #569035 is a reply to message #17269] Wed, 05 July 2006 11:27 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 13
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Now that Eclipse has also published a (growing) list of RCP applications
some of those also look like they cover the Healthcare Domain (or other
office requirements like scheduling and contacts)

Bioclipse (at SF.net) is probably very specific, but for those who need
that in labs it seems to provide great features.

Nomad PIM (also SF.net) covers principal needs like contacts, notes and
meetings. Which is what a Patient Management System (both for GPs and
Clinics) also requires maybe just specialising the contacts a little
more...?
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