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icon5.gif  Is XWT dead? [message #1041979] Mon, 15 April 2013 17:10 Go to next message
Andrey Loskutov is currently offline Andrey Loskutov
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Registered: July 2009
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Hi,

I've tried to get some insights to the XWT project technology but unfortunately found out that the XWT project is dead (please correct me if I'm wrong).

No changes on wiki page since two years:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=E4/XWT&action=history

Project is in proposal state:
http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/technology.xwt/
http://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.xwt

Has only 3 committers:
http://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.xwt/developers

And no releases so far:
http://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.xwt/releases

Last commit: 2011-06-14
http://git.eclipse.org/c/e4/org.eclipse.e4.xwt.git

Lot of open bugs created 2009:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/describecomponents.cgi?product=XWT

Empty forum:
http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/f/257/

Tom Schindl's reply:
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/e4-dev/msg06211.html

Comments and pointers to the XWT project state are welcome.

Thanks.
Andrey
Re: Is XWT dead? [message #1042378 is a reply to message #1041979] Tue, 16 April 2013 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
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Registered: July 2009
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Hi,

A team and a new project structure are created. It is moved from e4 into Technology as a standalone project. The build it reachable here:
http://download.eclipse.org/xwt/updates

Best regards
Yves YANG
Re: Is XWT dead? [message #1042400 is a reply to message #1042378] Tue, 16 April 2013 07:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
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A complete information, it is the first step to graduate the product.

Best regards
Yves YANG
Re: Is XWT dead? [message #1042537 is a reply to message #1042378] Tue, 16 April 2013 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andrey Loskutov is currently offline Andrey Loskutov
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Registered: July 2009
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Hi Yves,
Thank you for the fast response.

We are evaluating different technology stacks we can use for "Java-free" Eclipse UI design, and so I was stumbled upon XWT.

For me it is still somewhat unclear - what is the plan for the project?

How log it will take for the release?
When the project will leave incubation?
Where is the source code repository?
Is this only "one-company" driven project without much involvement from other parties?
What is the main use case for it? Previously this was for e4 UI design, but now the e4 GUI design is done with the different technology?

It would be nice if you could elaborate a little bit more about your plans for the future.

Regards,
Andrey
Re: Is XWT dead? [message #1042634 is a reply to message #1042537] Tue, 16 April 2013 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erdal Karaca is currently offline Erdal Karaca
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Registered: July 2009
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Andrey,
XWT is a really interesting technology that can boost UI development (once you are familiar with it, of course).
For me, these are the key arguments to using XWT as a UI technology:

- a clean separation of business logic and ui design (of course, you can do this in java, too, but this forces you and/or your [not advanced developers] to do the separation)
- it is XML, which allows you to preprocess it using your favorite transformations (xslt, xquery, ...), for example, for filtering everything out from the XML according to authorization rules (imagine how you would do this in java code)

Tom Schindl has developed an xtext based DSL editor for fxml (javafx xml) which is a cool idea to adapt to XWT as well. This would allow to have a fully featured editor (with syntax highlighting, content assist, etc.).

You will find its source code here:

http://git.eclipse.org/c/xwt/org.eclipse.xwt.git/

To leave incubation phase, we need an interested community Smile

Let us know if you need some more help.

Erdal

Andrey Loskutov wrote on Tue, 16 April 2013 16:46
Hi Yves,
Thank you for the fast response.

We are evaluating different technology stacks we can use for "Java-free" Eclipse UI design, and so I was stumbled upon XWT.

For me it is still somewhat unclear - what is the plan for the project?

How log it will take for the release?
When the project will leave incubation?
Where is the source code repository?
Is this only "one-company" driven project without much involvement from other parties?
What is the main use case for it? Previously this was for e4 UI design, but now the e4 GUI design is done with the different technology?

It would be nice if you could elaborate a little bit more about your plans for the future.

Regards,
Andrey

Re: Is XWT dead? [message #1042638 is a reply to message #1042634] Tue, 16 April 2013 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erdal Karaca is currently offline Erdal Karaca
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Registered: July 2009
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You will find XWT's source code here:

http://git.eclipse.org/c/xwt/org.eclipse.xwt.git/
Re: Is XWT dead? [message #1061896 is a reply to message #1042378] Tue, 04 June 2013 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin Schröder is currently offline Martin Schröder
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Registered: June 2013
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The URL gives a 404. Crying or Very Sad

Look, could you at least update the project information in the E4-Wiki?
Re: Is XWT dead? [message #1061909 is a reply to message #1061896] Tue, 04 June 2013 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erdal Karaca is currently offline Erdal Karaca
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Registered: July 2009
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Which URL are you reffering to?
The update site is not for direct consumption over a browser.
It is for installing via the Eclipse "Install Software..." wizard (which true for most other eclipse projects, too).

Martin Schröder wrote on Tue, 04 June 2013 16:59
The URL gives a 404. Crying or Very Sad

Look, could you at least update the project information in the E4-Wiki?

Re: Is XWT dead? [message #1061972 is a reply to message #1061909] Wed, 05 June 2013 04:06 Go to previous message
Martin Schröder is currently offline Martin Schröder
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Registered: June 2013
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O.K., the URL works, sorry.

Still: Please update the old Wiki and collect all information about the current project in one place (you could even use the Wikipedia article Smile).

And an up-to-date tutorial would be very useful.
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