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icon13.gif  Will eclipse ever be stable? [message #1023985] Mon, 25 March 2013 15:42 Go to next message
Kyle Brotherdige is currently offline Kyle BrotherdigeFriend
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I remember using eclipse back in FC9, unstable as all hell, always crashed, and throughout the years between then and now I ask myself "I wonder if eclipse has finally become stable..." so I download the flavour I'm currently working on (Java/PHP/C++) and I get used to the interface again, and all of a sudden something wont work, or things start crashing, or the interface locks up, or it won't allow me to alter a setting anymore.

Literally 2 hours ago I asked that same question in Ubuntu 12.10. apt-get installed eclipse-cdt, imported my project but I had a resource file that I used objcopy to make in to an object, so configure it's extra build step and presto! Crash.

Interface won't work anymore, can't even open the project at all - none of the files appear on the left and any action I try and take (Reload project etc, overwrite project settings) just results in a java exception.

Eclipse is an absolute joke of an IDE.

You know what I've been doing? Visual Studio 2010 over a samba share and an SSH console to issue build commands.

Why? I could count how many times Visual Studio has crashed on 1 hand, and that's since VC++ 6.0.
Re: Will eclipse ever be stable? [message #1024344 is a reply to message #1023985] Tue, 26 March 2013 06:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nitin Dahyabhai is currently offline Nitin DahyabhaiFriend
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I'm not sure there was a serious question posed among that, although I'd lay odds that for the majority of folks Eclipse is and has been stable for years.

Not knowing that much about your setup, I'd recommend getting a Juno SR2 package directly from download.eclipse.org (or a mirror) to remove the Ubuntu repository's build and possibly back-level versions as a factor, and then adding the additional functionality you're trying to use since no one Juno package contains support for all 3 of the languages you listed (http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/compare.php). This should then be run with a Sun/Oracle 1.6 or newer Sun/Oracle JRE to rule out your current JRE as a source of problems. Of course, if you're happy with Visual Studio, it's not like I'm trying to convince you to move to Eclipse.


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Nitin Dahyabhai
Eclipse WTP, IBM
Re: Will eclipse ever be stable? [message #1024358 is a reply to message #1024344] Tue, 26 March 2013 06:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kyle Brotherdige is currently offline Kyle BrotherdigeFriend
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Nitin Dahyabhai wrote on Tue, 26 March 2013 02:10
I'm not sure there was a serious question posed among that.


No, was just a vent.

Quote:
and then adding the additional functionality you're trying to use since no one Juno package contains support for all 3 of the languages you listed


My point was that I've tried many different packages over the years, on all different platforms, on all different hardware, and all of them would crash or loose functionality one way or another after some period of use.

Quote:
It's not like I'm trying to convince you to move to Eclipse.


But I WANT eclipse to be stable - developing on the platform the program is targeted has it's benefits to say the least (not having to use GDB is one of them!) and Eclipse is a great IDE... WHEN IT WORKS... Which is the most frustrating thing about all this, that it's totally free and widely available, feature rich IDE that just bloody crashes all the time. ARGH!
Re: Will eclipse ever be stable? [message #1027041 is a reply to message #1024358] Tue, 26 March 2013 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Russell Bateman is currently offline Russell BatemanFriend
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On 03/26/2013 12:34 AM, Kyle Brotherdige wrote:
> Nitin Dahyabhai wrote on Tue, 26 March 2013 02:10
>> I'm not sure there was a serious question posed among that.
>
>
> No, was just a vent.
>
> Quote:
>> and then adding the additional functionality you're trying to use
>> since no one Juno package contains support for all 3 of the languages
>> you listed
>
>
> My point was that I've tried many different packages over the years, on
> all different platforms, on all different hardware, and all of them
> would crash or loose functionality one way or another after some period
> of use.
>
> Quote:
>> It's not like I'm trying to convince you to move to Eclipse.
>
>
> But I WANT eclipse to be stable - developing on the platform the program
> is targeted has it's benefits to say the least (not having to use GDB is
> one of them!) and Eclipse is a great IDE... WHEN IT WORKS... Which is
> the most frustrating thing about all this, that it's totally free and
> widely available, feature rich IDE that just bloody crashes all the
> time. ARGH!

I understand your frustration. When I first started using ADT, I got
positively paranoid and bounced Eclipse preventively all the time
because I knew it would soon lock up.

However, I've really never had any such trouble with straight Eclipse
Java or Eclipse JEE and I've run these since the days of Europa (or
slightly before).

Your installation of Eclipse is really a fruit salad of chosen plug-ins.
It's the fruit you put into it that "destabilizes" it. For most
Java/JEE-oriented tools and frameworks, which is probably the vast
majority of users, it's rock-solid (if there are behaviors many of us
would quibble over--I personally do not like Juno and I hate what
running even Indigo has become on Ubuntu post 10.10).

You're evoking C/C++ in your post. If you haven't done so, I'd suggest
hobnobbing with folk in the Eclipse CDT forum, which I've never visited,
to see if they have any suggestions.
Re: Will eclipse ever be stable? [message #1042554 is a reply to message #1027041] Tue, 16 April 2013 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Atkins is currently offline Chris AtkinsFriend
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I'm finding a whole lot of minor to not-so-minor issues in Juno, after the 4.2 patch, but ONLY on Ubuntu.
E.g. Keyboard stops working (resolved by switching to a different application then back again). Context menus stop working properly, feels like Eclipse is struggling to open any more windows (resolved by restarting Eclipse). Debug inspector is unreliable and sometimes shows vars as null when they're not (unresolved). Right at this moment, Java search-for-references is failing with a null pointer exception.

And every so often, right-clicking on the package explorer locks up the **whole Ubuntu desktop** until you kill Eclipse via ssh from someone else's PC.

I'm inclined to think the problem is mainly Ubuntu's window management, not Eclipse, but I do agree with the OP that there's a problem.
Re: Will eclipse ever be stable? [message #1042569 is a reply to message #1042554] Tue, 16 April 2013 15:33 Go to previous message
Russell Bateman is currently offline Russell BatemanFriend
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Location: Provo, Utah, USA
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On 4/16/2013 9:11 AM, Chris Atkins wrote:
> I'm finding a whole lot of minor to not-so-minor issues in Juno, after
> the 4.2 patch, but ONLY on Ubuntu.
> E.g. Keyboard stops working (resolved by switching to a different
> application then back again). Context menus stop working properly,
> feels like Eclipse is struggling to open any more windows (resolved by
> restarting Eclipse). Debug inspector is unreliable and sometimes shows
> vars as null when they're not (unresolved). Right at this moment, Java
> search-for-references is failing with a null pointer exception.
>
> And every so often, right-clicking on the package explorer locks up the
> **whole Ubuntu desktop** until you kill Eclipse via ssh from someone
> else's PC.
>
> I'm inclined to think the problem is mainly Ubuntu's window management,
> not Eclipse, but I do agree with the OP that there's a problem.

I'll bet these problems do not occur on any Ubuntu platform prior to
Natty. I've had no trouble ever on Lucid or Maverick, but I'm just about
ready to abandon Precise in favor of trying out Mint or something else
now myself. I just got a new box and will be doing that very soon mostly
in my search for a new Linux home.

I've backed off to Indigo on Precise (and even on Lucid, but mostly
because there are cosmetic changes to Juno I don't like a super lot). I
experience some trouble from time to time with this solution on Precise
(never so much as a moment's grief ever on Lucid or Maverick, which I'm
still running on two different hosts I use), but not as much. However, I
believe Ubuntu totally buggered itself beginning with Natty. Some things
are getting fixed, but it's mostly been a steady march into hell for
software-developer users of Ubuntu since then. I have constant freezes
in Precise, mostly when I walk away from my box.

But, this is not Eclipse's fault.

Just my opinion.

My experience with Eclipse: I've run Galileo, Helios, Indigo and Juno on
Ubuntu since Karmic. I've run Europa and Ganymede on openSuse 10.x. I've
run Europa, Ganymede, Galileo and Helios on Windows XP and Windows 7. My
Windows 7 box with 8Gb of memory was the only Windows that didn't give
me time to go get coffee on start-up and other lengthy Eclipse
operations; Linux has always been much faster running Eclipse for me.

I didn't find Ganymede to be a good release, but I was still a young
Eclipse user then. Europa had worked pretty well and I went back to it
until well after Galileo came out. I thought Eclipse rocked totally by
that time. Helios and Indigo were rock-solid in my opinion. Other than
some complaints cosmetically about Juno, nothing tells me it's other
than solid. I haven't tried Kepler yet.

Don't know if this helps or is just me being insufferably opinionated.
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