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VE development plan [message #146204] Fri, 10 July 2009 09:03 Go to next message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
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Hi All,

I have posted a blog here to annonce the revive of VE:
http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/

Now we are considering on the development plan for 1.5. The discussion is
open for everyone. One suject we are considering is the support of XML UI
such as e4 XWT, XSWT, xForm, Android, Silveright etc.

Best regards

Yves YANG
Re: VE development plan [message #146213 is a reply to message #146204] Wed, 15 July 2009 04:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: bernhard.stader.umweltbundeamt.at

Yves YANG schrieb:
> Hi All,
>
> I have posted a blog here to annonce the revive of VE:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
>
> Now we are considering on the development plan for 1.5. The discussion is
> open for everyone. One suject we are considering is the support of XML UI
> such as e4 XWT, XSWT, xForm, Android, Silveright etc.
>
> Best regards
>
> Yves YANG
>
>
>
>
Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.

Bernhard Stader
Re: VE development plan [message #146222 is a reply to message #146213] Thu, 16 July 2009 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
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"Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
> It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
Could you indicate us what you are interested in?

Best regards
Yves YANG
-----
Soyatec - Declarative UI
http://www.soyatec.com
Re: VE development plan [message #146231 is a reply to message #146222] Thu, 16 July 2009 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ns_dkerber.ns_WarrenRogersAssociates.com

In article <h3ncih$i5k$1@build.eclipse.org>, yves.yang@soyatec.com
says...
> "Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
> news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
> > Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
> > It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?
>
> Best regards
> Yves YANG


I'm not the OP, but I simply want to be able to build a simple GUI for
some of my Java webapps, which are already developed in eclipse.


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Re: VE development plan [message #146240 is a reply to message #146204] Fri, 17 July 2009 05:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alain  is currently offline Alain
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Hi Yves

We are very pleased to hear about the Visual Editor’s come-back!

We are building a BPM Platform based on eclipse and the Visual Editor. To
be exact, we use the ULC Visual editor extension of canoo witch is based
on the Visual Editor. Our tool, the Xpert.ivy Designer 4.x, enables you
also, to compose visually our user interface panels.
For this purpose we use the Visual Editor, witch is fully integrated into
our product.

You asked for the most important features. Here is a list of the most
important Visual Editor features in our point of view.

1. Stability: the VE crashes at the moment too often. It is very hard to
find the reasons for the crashes. We think that it has to do with the
synchronisation of the models, or it is a problem with the proxy
factories. Once the VE is corrupted, one has to clean all the VE caches
manually, in order to get the VE back to business.

2. Performance: the time until a panel is opened is too long. Users have
the feeling, that something went wrong. The time after dropping a widget
until the VE response again to user input, is also very too long.

3. It would be very handy, if there is a extension point to hook in while
the widget dropping onto the VE, in order to show a own window where the
user can enter some properties.

4. Bug - if you have two panels open in the VE, and the first one is
embedded in the second one. Then alter both of them, a error occurs.

Could you please send me your comment about our priority list?
Thanks in advance,
Alain.

Alain Helfenstein
dipl.Ing. FH in Informatik

ivyTeam AG
Alpenstrasse 9
6300 Zug

Telefon: +41 (0)41 726 07 91
Zentrale: +41 (0)41 710 80 20
Fax: +41 (0)41 710 80 60
email: alain.helfenstein@ivyteam.ch
Web: www.soreco.ch
Re: VE development plan [message #146248 is a reply to message #146222] Fri, 17 July 2009 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: mauro.molinari.cardinis.com

Yves YANG ha scritto:
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?

My humble opinion: I would like VE to improve in its stability,
performance and features regarding Swing GUI building (i.e.: support for
new layout managers, etc.). In Eclipse bugzilla there are a lot of bugs
on VE, that would be an important starting point.

Thank you!
Mauro.
Re: VE development plan [message #146256 is a reply to message #146222] Fri, 17 July 2009 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Antonio is currently offline Antonio
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"Yves YANG" <yves.yang@soyatec.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:h3ncih$i5k$1@build.eclipse.org...
> "Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
> news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
>> It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?

Hi to all,
it's a good sounds that the new life of VE, i hope that more people help
this project,
i would like VE have this:
1) SWT GUI,
2) Easy installation
3) More stability (i hope you give new relase after you test its)

best regads
Antonio
Re: VE development plan [message #146265 is a reply to message #146222] Sat, 18 July 2009 05:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: formatzeh.gmx.de

The most important points were mentioned yet: stability and performance.
If I think in future the Nebula-project will be released officially. I
think it should be integrated into VE. Then it would be nice if you
could adopt some features from Matisse, such as aligning elements while
creating the gui and so on.

best regards
Gilbert
Re: VE development plan [message #146281 is a reply to message #146222] Tue, 21 July 2009 05:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Willink is currently offline Ed Willink
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> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?

Echoing other opinions, stability and bug-fixing, including many
probably never reported, since the project seemed dead.

I find that many features went backwards in later release; for instance
reparenting via drag and drop in the beans outline. Adding elements
to grid layouts used to be sensible, now a load of fillers have to be
deleted after each change.

It would also be good if it worked on Linux. It appears to work but any
actions on the Customize dialog take a long time and do little.

Regards

Ed Willink
Re: VE development plan [message #146290 is a reply to message #146204] Tue, 21 July 2009 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: eriksson-remove-all-this.it.dk

----- Original meddelelse -----
Fra: Yves YANG
Dato: 10-07-2009 15:03
> Hi All,
>
> I have posted a blog here to annonce the revive of VE:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
>
> Now we are considering on the development plan for 1.5. The discussion is
> open for everyone. One suject we are considering is the support of XML UI
> such as e4 XWT, XSWT, xForm, Android, Silveright etc.
>
> Best regards
>
> Yves YANG
>
>
>
>
Thank you!
My #1 priority is just that you keep up with support for latest eclipse
releases.
Re: VE development plan [message #146311 is a reply to message #146222] Mon, 27 July 2009 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Yves YANG wrote:
> "Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
> news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
>
>>Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
>>It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
>
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?
>
> Best regards
> Yves YANG
> -----
> Soyatec - Declarative UI
> http://www.soyatec.com
>
>
May I suggest to "Keep It Simple" ?

Make it work with AWT, Swing and -- what's Eclipse's window
toolkit? JWT? I don't use it but it should be supported.

Then after you get it to work solidly with those three windowing
toolkits -- figure out how to add all those other ideas you had
in your first message.

Go slow and make each supported standard solid then add the next.
Re: VE development plan [message #480643 is a reply to message #146204] Tue, 18 August 2009 01:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
coc  is currently offline coc
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I wish that VE can fully support OpenSwing.
Every developers will be very happy to have the advanced swing controls. Very Happy
Re: VE development plan [message #485286 is a reply to message #146240] Fri, 11 September 2009 04:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaspar  von Gunten is currently offline Kaspar von Gunten
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Hi Yves

I'd like to add the following specific requirement to Alain's:

Make the generation of instance variables customizable, as it is already
for methods and expressions (by declaring either MethodTemplates or custom
Decoders).

At the moment it is, for example, not possible to generate instance
variables that have an annotation or a certain comment.

What would be needed is
- an .override <objectsToAttach> attribute similar to methodMenerator, e.g.
<objectsToAttach instanceVarTemplate="<pluginid>/<className>" and
- a handling of this in BeanPartFactory (i.e. via a generator factory).
The registered MyInstanceVariableTemplate class should be instantiated and
used instead of the default InstanceVariableTemplate class.

Thanks,
Kaspar
Re: VE development plan [message #489664 is a reply to message #146222] Mon, 05 October 2009 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bernhard Stader is currently offline Bernhard Stader
Messages: 10
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Yves YANG schrieb:
> "Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
> news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
>> It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?
>
> Best regards
> Yves YANG
> -----
> Soyatec - Declarative UI
> http://www.soyatec.com
>
>
I'm interested in building GUI's for RCP. So mainly SWT/JFace support is
needed.
Another interesting thing would be GUI Builder for RAP. Or is still
included in e4?
icon7.gif  Re: VE development plan [message #492984 is a reply to message #146204] Thu, 22 October 2009 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
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Hi,

Great to see, some things are going on at VE again.
Is there also working WSYWIG support for Galileo and SWT widgets again?

I spoke to MS Visual Studio manager Tim Wagner (used to be WTP lead earlier) around my Babel talk last year at ESE which he attended. Regarding i18n for visual UI like Silverlight or other XML based components.

At Eclipse, both the actual project language (for the UI of VE itself) and where applicable the localization and i18n support for UIs developed with it are where Babel is happy to assist you.

If you attend ESE, I'd be happy to talk to you in detail.

Werner
Re: VE development plan [message #494462 is a reply to message #492984] Fri, 30 October 2009 13:51 Go to previous message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
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Hi,

"Werner Keil" <werner.keil@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:hbpsao$btd$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> Great to see, some things are going on at VE again.
> Is there also working WSYWIG support for Galileo and SWT widgets again?

yes.

>
> I spoke to MS Visual Studio manager Tim Wagner (used to be WTP lead
> earlier) around my Babel talk last year at ESE which he attended.
> Regarding i18n for visual UI like Silverlight or other XML based
> components.
>
> At Eclipse, both the actual project language (for the UI of VE itself) and
> where applicable the localization and i18n support for UIs developed with
> it are where Babel is happy to assist you.
>
> If you attend ESE, I'd be happy to talk to you in detail.

I'm sorry. I just read this email. It is too late. Please give us more
information about your idea.

Best regards
Yves YANG
>
> Werner
Re: VE development plan [message #617383 is a reply to message #146204] Wed, 15 July 2009 04:45 Go to previous message
Bernhard Stader is currently offline Bernhard Stader
Messages: 10
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Yves YANG schrieb:
> Hi All,
>
> I have posted a blog here to annonce the revive of VE:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
>
> Now we are considering on the development plan for 1.5. The discussion is
> open for everyone. One suject we are considering is the support of XML UI
> such as e4 XWT, XSWT, xForm, Android, Silveright etc.
>
> Best regards
>
> Yves YANG
>
>
>
>
Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.

Bernhard Stader
Re: VE development plan [message #617384 is a reply to message #146213] Thu, 16 July 2009 10:13 Go to previous message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
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"Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
> It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
Could you indicate us what you are interested in?

Best regards
Yves YANG
-----
Soyatec - Declarative UI
http://www.soyatec.com
Re: VE development plan [message #617385 is a reply to message #146222] Thu, 16 July 2009 11:40 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ns_dkerber.ns_WarrenRogersAssociates.com

In article <h3ncih$i5k$1@build.eclipse.org>, yves.yang@soyatec.com
says...
> "Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
> news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
> > Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
> > It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?
>
> Best regards
> Yves YANG


I'm not the OP, but I simply want to be able to build a simple GUI for
some of my Java webapps, which are already developed in eclipse.


--
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\ / Ribbon Campaign
X Against HTML
/ \ Email!

Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).
Re: VE development plan [message #617386 is a reply to message #146204] Fri, 17 July 2009 05:09 Go to previous message
Alain  is currently offline Alain
Messages: 115
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Yves

We are very pleased to hear about the Visual Editor’s come-back!

We are building a BPM Platform based on eclipse and the Visual Editor. To
be exact, we use the ULC Visual editor extension of canoo witch is based
on the Visual Editor. Our tool, the Xpert.ivy Designer 4.x, enables you
also, to compose visually our user interface panels.
For this purpose we use the Visual Editor, witch is fully integrated into
our product.

You asked for the most important features. Here is a list of the most
important Visual Editor features in our point of view.

1. Stability: the VE crashes at the moment too often. It is very hard to
find the reasons for the crashes. We think that it has to do with the
synchronisation of the models, or it is a problem with the proxy
factories. Once the VE is corrupted, one has to clean all the VE caches
manually, in order to get the VE back to business.

2. Performance: the time until a panel is opened is too long. Users have
the feeling, that something went wrong. The time after dropping a widget
until the VE response again to user input, is also very too long.

3. It would be very handy, if there is a extension point to hook in while
the widget dropping onto the VE, in order to show a own window where the
user can enter some properties.

4. Bug - if you have two panels open in the VE, and the first one is
embedded in the second one. Then alter both of them, a error occurs.

Could you please send me your comment about our priority list?
Thanks in advance,
Alain.

Alain Helfenstein
dipl.Ing. FH in Informatik

ivyTeam AG
Alpenstrasse 9
6300 Zug

Telefon: +41 (0)41 726 07 91
Zentrale: +41 (0)41 710 80 20
Fax: +41 (0)41 710 80 60
email: alain.helfenstein@ivyteam.ch
Web: www.soreco.ch
Re: VE development plan [message #617387 is a reply to message #146222] Fri, 17 July 2009 09:58 Go to previous message
Mauro Molinari is currently offline Mauro Molinari
Messages: 277
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Yves YANG ha scritto:
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?

My humble opinion: I would like VE to improve in its stability,
performance and features regarding Swing GUI building (i.e.: support for
new layout managers, etc.). In Eclipse bugzilla there are a lot of bugs
on VE, that would be an important starting point.

Thank you!
Mauro.
Re: VE development plan [message #617388 is a reply to message #146222] Fri, 17 July 2009 13:34 Go to previous message
Antonio is currently offline Antonio
Messages: 39
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"Yves YANG" <yves.yang@soyatec.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:h3ncih$i5k$1@build.eclipse.org...
> "Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
> news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
>> It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?

Hi to all,
it's a good sounds that the new life of VE, i hope that more people help
this project,
i would like VE have this:
1) SWT GUI,
2) Easy installation
3) More stability (i hope you give new relase after you test its)

best regads
Antonio
Re: VE development plan [message #617389 is a reply to message #146222] Sat, 18 July 2009 05:16 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: formatzeh.gmx.de

The most important points were mentioned yet: stability and performance.
If I think in future the Nebula-project will be released officially. I
think it should be integrated into VE. Then it would be nice if you
could adopt some features from Matisse, such as aligning elements while
creating the gui and so on.

best regards
Gilbert
Re: VE development plan [message #617391 is a reply to message #146222] Tue, 21 July 2009 05:06 Go to previous message
Ed Willink is currently offline Ed Willink
Messages: 4003
Registered: July 2009
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> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?

Echoing other opinions, stability and bug-fixing, including many
probably never reported, since the project seemed dead.

I find that many features went backwards in later release; for instance
reparenting via drag and drop in the beans outline. Adding elements
to grid layouts used to be sensible, now a load of fillers have to be
deleted after each change.

It would also be good if it worked on Linux. It appears to work but any
actions on the Customize dialog take a long time and do little.

Regards

Ed Willink
Re: VE development plan [message #617392 is a reply to message #146204] Tue, 21 July 2009 08:37 Go to previous message
exquisitus is currently offline exquisitus
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----- Original meddelelse -----
Fra: Yves YANG
Dato: 10-07-2009 15:03
> Hi All,
>
> I have posted a blog here to annonce the revive of VE:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
>
> Now we are considering on the development plan for 1.5. The discussion is
> open for everyone. One suject we are considering is the support of XML UI
> such as e4 XWT, XSWT, xForm, Android, Silveright etc.
>
> Best regards
>
> Yves YANG
>
>
>
>
Thank you!
My #1 priority is just that you keep up with support for latest eclipse
releases.
Re: VE development plan [message #617394 is a reply to message #146222] Mon, 27 July 2009 15:14 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: kwarner.uneedspeed.net

Yves YANG wrote:
> "Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
> news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
>
>>Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
>>It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
>
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?
>
> Best regards
> Yves YANG
> -----
> Soyatec - Declarative UI
> http://www.soyatec.com
>
>
May I suggest to "Keep It Simple" ?

Make it work with AWT, Swing and -- what's Eclipse's window
toolkit? JWT? I don't use it but it should be supported.

Then after you get it to work solidly with those three windowing
toolkits -- figure out how to add all those other ideas you had
in your first message.

Go slow and make each supported standard solid then add the next.
Re: VE development plan [message #617412 is a reply to message #146204] Tue, 18 August 2009 01:27 Go to previous message
coc  is currently offline coc
Messages: 2
Registered: August 2009
Junior Member
I wish that VE can fully support OpenSwing.
Every developers will be very happy to have the advanced swing controls. :d
Re: VE development plan [message #617418 is a reply to message #146240] Fri, 11 September 2009 04:27 Go to previous message
Kaspar  von Gunten is currently offline Kaspar von Gunten
Messages: 21
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Yves

I'd like to add the following specific requirement to Alain's:

Make the generation of instance variables customizable, as it is already
for methods and expressions (by declaring either MethodTemplates or custom
Decoders).

At the moment it is, for example, not possible to generate instance
variables that have an annotation or a certain comment.

What would be needed is
- an .override <objectsToAttach> attribute similar to methodMenerator, e.g.
<objectsToAttach instanceVarTemplate="<pluginid>/<className>" and
- a handling of this in BeanPartFactory (i.e. via a generator factory).
The registered MyInstanceVariableTemplate class should be instantiated and
used instead of the default InstanceVariableTemplate class.

Thanks,
Kaspar
Re: VE development plan [message #617439 is a reply to message #146222] Mon, 05 October 2009 10:06 Go to previous message
Bernhard Stader is currently offline Bernhard Stader
Messages: 10
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Yves YANG schrieb:
> "Bernhard Stader" <bernhard.stader@umweltbundeamt.at> wrote in message
> news:h3k4v4$heo$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Good to hear that VE is revived and active developed.
>> It is a great project and I'm looking forward for the next release.
> Could you indicate us what you are interested in?
>
> Best regards
> Yves YANG
> -----
> Soyatec - Declarative UI
> http://www.soyatec.com
>
>
I'm interested in building GUI's for RCP. So mainly SWT/JFace support is
needed.
Another interesting thing would be GUI Builder for RAP. Or is still
included in e4?
Re: VE development plan [message #617442 is a reply to message #146204] Thu, 22 October 2009 11:04 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

Great to see, some things are going on at VE again.
Is there also working WSYWIG support for Galileo and SWT widgets again?

I spoke to MS Visual Studio manager Tim Wagner (used to be WTP lead earlier) around my Babel talk last year at ESE which he attended. Regarding i18n for visual UI like Silverlight or other XML based components.

At Eclipse, both the actual project language (for the UI of VE itself) and where applicable the localization and i18n support for UIs developed with it are where Babel is happy to assist you.

If you attend ESE, I'd be happy to talk to you in detail.

Werner
Re: VE development plan [message #617445 is a reply to message #617442] Fri, 30 October 2009 13:51 Go to previous message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
Messages: 687
Registered: July 2009
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Hi,

"Werner Keil" <werner.keil@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:hbpsao$btd$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> Great to see, some things are going on at VE again.
> Is there also working WSYWIG support for Galileo and SWT widgets again?

yes.

>
> I spoke to MS Visual Studio manager Tim Wagner (used to be WTP lead
> earlier) around my Babel talk last year at ESE which he attended.
> Regarding i18n for visual UI like Silverlight or other XML based
> components.
>
> At Eclipse, both the actual project language (for the UI of VE itself) and
> where applicable the localization and i18n support for UIs developed with
> it are where Babel is happy to assist you.
>
> If you attend ESE, I'd be happy to talk to you in detail.

I'm sorry. I just read this email. It is too late. Please give us more
information about your idea.

Best regards
Yves YANG
>
> Werner
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