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My vision for SWT editors [message #143987] Tue, 11 March 2008 10:59 Go to next message
David  Pérez is currently offline David Pérez
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Registered: July 2009
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Eclipse RCP is a great product with a lot of functionality. The weakest
point to it is the lack of a good and reasonibly priced visual editor for
SWT.

I would like to share my opinion after some research.

Visual editor is quite acceptable, but:

- I miss a lot the support for the newest and easiest to use layout:
- GroupLayout
- JGoodies GridLayout
- It seems not to evolve at the same pace as other Eclipse products. I
wonder if it is active and which future plans does it have.

The alternatives:

- Jigloo, reasonibly priced but not quite good
- SWT Designer, too expensive for me
- Matisse, I like it, but it only works with Swing. It is for me a
feasible solution, as there is a SWT - Swing bridge.
Re: My vision for SWT editors [message #144191 is a reply to message #143987] Wed, 26 March 2008 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Orme is currently offline Dave Orme
Messages: 424
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi David,

Are you interested in helping write this?

VE isn't dead as long as there's a community interested in moving it
forward.


Dave Orme

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 14:59 +0000, David Perez wrote:
> Eclipse RCP is a great product with a lot of functionality. The weakest
> point to it is the lack of a good and reasonibly priced visual editor for
> SWT.
>
> I would like to share my opinion after some research.
>
> Visual editor is quite acceptable, but:
>
> - I miss a lot the support for the newest and easiest to use layout:
> - GroupLayout
> - JGoodies GridLayout
> - It seems not to evolve at the same pace as other Eclipse products. I
> wonder if it is active and which future plans does it have.
>
> The alternatives:
>
> - Jigloo, reasonibly priced but not quite good
> - SWT Designer, too expensive for me
> - Matisse, I like it, but it only works with Swing. It is for me a
> feasible solution, as there is a SWT - Swing bridge.
>
Re: My vision for SWT editors [message #144263 is a reply to message #143987] Mon, 31 March 2008 23:30 Go to previous message
Eric Clayberg is currently offline Eric Clayberg
Messages: 857
Registered: July 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Senior Member
"David Perez" <craquerpro@yahoo.es> wrote in message
news:57314749c751e2acb5f42cc3ef161b11$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Eclipse RCP is a great product with a lot of functionality. The weakest
> point to it is the lack of a good and reasonibly priced visual editor for
> SWT.
>
> I would like to share my opinion after some research.
>
> Visual editor is quite acceptable, but:
>
> - I miss a lot the support for the newest and easiest to use layout:
> - GroupLayout
> - JGoodies GridLayout
> - It seems not to evolve at the same pace as other Eclipse products. I
> wonder if it is active and which future plans does it have.
>
> The alternatives:
>
> - Jigloo, reasonibly priced but not quite good
> - SWT Designer, too expensive for me
> - Matisse, I like it, but it only works with Swing. It is for me a
> feasible solution, as there is a SWT - Swing bridge.

I guess you get what you pay for. SWT Designer is the only GUI builder that
fully supports SWT, JFace ad RCP (all widgets, all layout managers, all RCP
component types, data binding, etc.). It also supports GroupLayout and
JGoodies FormLayout.

Note that SWT Designer is *free* to developers working on open source
projects (including all Eclipse committers) and is very inexpensive for
academic or non-commercial use. If you are doing commercial development, it
will pay for itself in a couple hours of use.

-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/

Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
http://www.awprofessional.com/title/032142672X
Re: My vision for SWT editors [message #617007 is a reply to message #143987] Wed, 26 March 2008 20:46 Go to previous message
Dave Orme is currently offline Dave Orme
Messages: 424
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi David,

Are you interested in helping write this?

VE isn't dead as long as there's a community interested in moving it
forward.


Dave Orme

On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 14:59 +0000, David Perez wrote:
> Eclipse RCP is a great product with a lot of functionality. The weakest
> point to it is the lack of a good and reasonibly priced visual editor for
> SWT.
>
> I would like to share my opinion after some research.
>
> Visual editor is quite acceptable, but:
>
> - I miss a lot the support for the newest and easiest to use layout:
> - GroupLayout
> - JGoodies GridLayout
> - It seems not to evolve at the same pace as other Eclipse products. I
> wonder if it is active and which future plans does it have.
>
> The alternatives:
>
> - Jigloo, reasonibly priced but not quite good
> - SWT Designer, too expensive for me
> - Matisse, I like it, but it only works with Swing. It is for me a
> feasible solution, as there is a SWT - Swing bridge.
>
Re: My vision for SWT editors [message #617015 is a reply to message #143987] Mon, 31 March 2008 23:30 Go to previous message
Eric Clayberg is currently offline Eric Clayberg
Messages: 857
Registered: July 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Senior Member
"David Perez" <craquerpro@yahoo.es> wrote in message
news:57314749c751e2acb5f42cc3ef161b11$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Eclipse RCP is a great product with a lot of functionality. The weakest
> point to it is the lack of a good and reasonibly priced visual editor for
> SWT.
>
> I would like to share my opinion after some research.
>
> Visual editor is quite acceptable, but:
>
> - I miss a lot the support for the newest and easiest to use layout:
> - GroupLayout
> - JGoodies GridLayout
> - It seems not to evolve at the same pace as other Eclipse products. I
> wonder if it is active and which future plans does it have.
>
> The alternatives:
>
> - Jigloo, reasonibly priced but not quite good
> - SWT Designer, too expensive for me
> - Matisse, I like it, but it only works with Swing. It is for me a
> feasible solution, as there is a SWT - Swing bridge.

I guess you get what you pay for. SWT Designer is the only GUI builder that
fully supports SWT, JFace ad RCP (all widgets, all layout managers, all RCP
component types, data binding, etc.). It also supports GroupLayout and
JGoodies FormLayout.

Note that SWT Designer is *free* to developers working on open source
projects (including all Eclipse committers) and is very inexpensive for
academic or non-commercial use. If you are doing commercial development, it
will pay for itself in a couple hours of use.

-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/

Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
http://www.awprofessional.com/title/032142672X
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