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TPTP going to die? [message #142955] Tue, 30 June 2009 10:52 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: mauro.molinari.cardinis.com

Hello all!
I'm following the TPTP development since its first versions, hoping its
profiling tools could get to a high level (something at least comparable
with Netbeans profiler), but now I see that all the enhancement requests
in Bugzilla are being rejected and closed if they don't provide a
concrete patch code.
Some interesting requests closed so far:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=53149
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=93452
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=236899

I understand there is no intention to invest on TPTP anymore, except for
(simple?) bugfixing.

So, Eclipse still lacks a good "official" profiler and now I think it
will never have one.

Very sad news for me :-(

What do you think about?

Mauro.
Re: TPTP going to die? [message #142997 is a reply to message #142955] Wed, 01 July 2009 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Slauenwhite is currently offline Paul SlauenwhiteFriend
Messages: 970
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Mauro,
Thanks for your feedback.

I agree that the Eclipse Community needs a first-rate Java Profiler, for
Java and Eclipse applications. We feel that the TPTP Profiler fills this
requirement but there are still more improvements to be made. However,
these improvements are limited by our project's resources but we are still
attempting to improve the Java Profiler with the Profiler of the Gods (POG)
initiative:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/TPTP_User_Experiences_Profiling

Please contact Eugene Chan directly by (ewchan@ca.ibm.com) if you are
interested in participating in the POG initiative.

Regarding these specific enhancements, would you be interested in
contributing to them? The beauty (and key to the success) of open-source
software is that everyone can get involved. We would certainly be will to
reopen and target these enhancements to an upcoming release if you could
commit to contributing.

So, to answer your question, no TPTP is not going to die. We are simply
reorganizing our project in response to limited resources so we can focus on
improving quality by resolving relevant defects and increasing test coverage
through test creation, automation, Build Verification Tests (BVTs), and
expanded run-time execution. With these limited resource, we are focusing
less on new function and more on improving the quality of our existing
function.

Paul
"Mauro Molinari" <mauro.molinari@cardinis.com> wrote in message
news:h2cqon$4vq$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hello all!
> I'm following the TPTP development since its first versions, hoping its
> profiling tools could get to a high level (something at least comparable
> with Netbeans profiler), but now I see that all the enhancement requests
> in Bugzilla are being rejected and closed if they don't provide a concrete
> patch code.
> Some interesting requests closed so far:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=53149
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=93452
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=236899
>
> I understand there is no intention to invest on TPTP anymore, except for
> (simple?) bugfixing.
>
> So, Eclipse still lacks a good "official" profiler and now I think it will
> never have one.
>
> Very sad news for me :-(
>
> What do you think about?
>
> Mauro.
Re: TPTP going to die? [message #143019 is a reply to message #142997] Wed, 01 July 2009 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mauro.molinari.cardinis.com

Hi Paul,
thanks for your reply.

Paul Slauenwhite ha scritto:
> I agree that the Eclipse Community needs a first-rate Java Profiler, for
> Java and Eclipse applications. We feel that the TPTP Profiler fills this
> requirement but there are still more improvements to be made. However,
> these improvements are limited by our project's resources but we are still
> attempting to improve the Java Profiler with the Profiler of the Gods (POG)
> initiative:
>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/TPTP_User_Experiences_Profiling

Thanks for the link, I read there some time ago, although I can't still
understand some things. Apart from the fact that that page seems to be
quite outdated (for instance, it states that "we want to improve the
usability and out-of-the-box experience for the profiler for the next
major iteration of Eclipse, called Gannymede"...; on the other hand, the
page dedicated to meetings shows the last meeting took place on
2008-01-14), if POG is part of TPTP and POG initiative is alive, why are
you closing all enhancement requests for TPTP profiler?

I understand the fact that you have few resources, but why to reject all
the enhancement requests? To me, it sounds like you don't want to
improve the TPTP profiler and you never will. Otherwise, you would
simply not consider those requests right now, but you may do in the future.

The discussion would be different if you (or someone else) would start a
new Eclipse project for POG, but in that case, too, I would have
preferred to see the open requests to be moved to the new project,
rather than to be closed altogether.

In fact, one other thing I can't understand is why it seems not to exist
so much interest on having a good reference Java profiler for the
Eclipse platform, likewise there's a great IDE, a great compiler, a
great debugger and good enterprise tools.

I'm a great fan of Eclipse and I can assure you that if I had the
necessary skills and (above all) the necessary time, I would be very
glad to contribute to the development of a profiler, but given my
current life I can't :-(

Mauro.
Re: TPTP going to die? [message #143142 is a reply to message #143019] Tue, 14 July 2009 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Slauenwhite is currently offline Paul SlauenwhiteFriend
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Thanks Mauro for your interest and questions. I have asked Eugene Chan (PoG
Lead) to reply to your questions.

Paul
"Mauro Molinari" <mauro.molinari@cardinis.com> wrote in message
news:h2fj4m$ij4$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Paul,
> thanks for your reply.
>
> Paul Slauenwhite ha scritto:
>> I agree that the Eclipse Community needs a first-rate Java Profiler,
>> for Java and Eclipse applications. We feel that the TPTP Profiler fills
>> this requirement but there are still more improvements to be made.
>> However, these improvements are limited by our project's resources but we
>> are still attempting to improve the Java Profiler with the Profiler of
>> the Gods (POG) initiative:
>>
>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/TPTP_User_Experiences_Profiling
>
> Thanks for the link, I read there some time ago, although I can't still
> understand some things. Apart from the fact that that page seems to be
> quite outdated (for instance, it states that "we want to improve the
> usability and out-of-the-box experience for the profiler for the next
> major iteration of Eclipse, called Gannymede"...; on the other hand, the
> page dedicated to meetings shows the last meeting took place on
> 2008-01-14), if POG is part of TPTP and POG initiative is alive, why are
> you closing all enhancement requests for TPTP profiler?
>
> I understand the fact that you have few resources, but why to reject all
> the enhancement requests? To me, it sounds like you don't want to improve
> the TPTP profiler and you never will. Otherwise, you would simply not
> consider those requests right now, but you may do in the future.
>
> The discussion would be different if you (or someone else) would start a
> new Eclipse project for POG, but in that case, too, I would have preferred
> to see the open requests to be moved to the new project, rather than to be
> closed altogether.
>
> In fact, one other thing I can't understand is why it seems not to exist
> so much interest on having a good reference Java profiler for the Eclipse
> platform, likewise there's a great IDE, a great compiler, a great debugger
> and good enterprise tools.
>
> I'm a great fan of Eclipse and I can assure you that if I had the
> necessary skills and (above all) the necessary time, I would be very glad
> to contribute to the development of a profiler, but given my current life
> I can't :-(
>
> Mauro.
Re: TPTP going to die? [message #143162 is a reply to message #143019] Tue, 14 July 2009 14:58 Go to previous message
Eugene Chan is currently offline Eugene ChanFriend
Messages: 287
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Mauro,

Thank very much for your interest in the TPTP project. The POG is an
on-going effort to improve the Eclipse profiler. However, with the current
resource allocation TPTP PMC had decided to concentrate on making sure the
product is bug-free (or close to bug free =) before continuing to enhance
the product. TPTP is NOT going to die. Instead, It is going to make sure the
function-rich profiler runs smoother first. And in the future we will spend
the resource on enriching it. The closing of dated enhancment was part of a
housecleaning effort to give the PMC a clearer picture of the project
status. If the enhancment is going to be included in the future planning, it
can and will be reopened when the enhancment is reconsidered. For the time
being, due the the limited resource of the project, only enhancement with
contributed code and test cases will be considered.

Eugene

"Mauro Molinari" <mauro.molinari@cardinis.com> wrote in message
news:h2fj4m$ij4$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Paul,
> thanks for your reply.
>
> Paul Slauenwhite ha scritto:
>> I agree that the Eclipse Community needs a first-rate Java Profiler,
>> for Java and Eclipse applications. We feel that the TPTP Profiler fills
>> this requirement but there are still more improvements to be made.
>> However, these improvements are limited by our project's resources but we
>> are still attempting to improve the Java Profiler with the Profiler of
>> the Gods (POG) initiative:
>>
>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/TPTP_User_Experiences_Profiling
>
> Thanks for the link, I read there some time ago, although I can't still
> understand some things. Apart from the fact that that page seems to be
> quite outdated (for instance, it states that "we want to improve the
> usability and out-of-the-box experience for the profiler for the next
> major iteration of Eclipse, called Gannymede"...; on the other hand, the
> page dedicated to meetings shows the last meeting took place on
> 2008-01-14), if POG is part of TPTP and POG initiative is alive, why are
> you closing all enhancement requests for TPTP profiler?
>
> I understand the fact that you have few resources, but why to reject all
> the enhancement requests? To me, it sounds like you don't want to improve
> the TPTP profiler and you never will. Otherwise, you would simply not
> consider those requests right now, but you may do in the future.
>
> The discussion would be different if you (or someone else) would start a
> new Eclipse project for POG, but in that case, too, I would have preferred
> to see the open requests to be moved to the new project, rather than to be
> closed altogether.
>
> In fact, one other thing I can't understand is why it seems not to exist
> so much interest on having a good reference Java profiler for the Eclipse
> platform, likewise there's a great IDE, a great compiler, a great debugger
> and good enterprise tools.
>
> I'm a great fan of Eclipse and I can assure you that if I had the
> necessary skills and (above all) the necessary time, I would be very glad
> to contribute to the development of a profiler, but given my current life
> I can't :-(
>
> Mauro.
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