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Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #139804] Fri, 17 August 2007 06:08 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: bernhard.stader.umweltbundeamt.at

Are there any plans to make an official ve for eclipse 3.3 or later
versions.
As i find the approach of VE very good it would be a shame if the
development is stopped.
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #139813 is a reply to message #139804] Fri, 17 August 2007 06:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: eriksson-remove-all-this.it.dk

Yes pls - An answer from the eclipse developers would be highly appreciated.
Even if it's a negative - no go...?
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #139825 is a reply to message #139813] Sat, 18 August 2007 05:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: lamprecht.bwdesign.de

exquisitus schrieb:
> Yes pls - An answer from the eclipse developers would be highly
> appreciated.
> Even if it's a negative - no go...?
ve is one of the my main arguments for using eclipse, as java
programmes, and why is ve not a main application to eclipse ??
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #139904 is a reply to message #139825] Fri, 24 August 2007 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

Norbert,

A simple lack of investors is the problem. Eclipse is not a charity and
most folks who work on it are typically getting paid for that work by
someone who needs to turn a profit in order to continue to bear the
costs. The community itself is not always as generous with their time
nor with their contributions as they ought to be.

I'm surprised the original question wasn't answered. Are there any
active committers VE committers? I was lead to believe there were...


Norbert Lamprecht wrote:
> exquisitus schrieb:
>> Yes pls - An answer from the eclipse developers would be highly
>> appreciated.
>> Even if it's a negative - no go...?
> ve is one of the my main arguments for using eclipse, as java
> programmes, and why is ve not a main application to eclipse ??
>
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #139975 is a reply to message #139904] Tue, 28 August 2007 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Thonhauser is currently offline Michael Thonhauser
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi,

I am watching the discussions of VE for Eclipse 3.3. now for several weeks,
and for me personally the situation of having no official release of VE for
Eclipse Europe makes me doubt about the handling of Eclipse projects.
Looking at the Eclipse project homepage [1] the VE project is still marked
as mature, which is in my personal opinion not true, because it is not
compatible with the current Eclipse release. I have looked at the project
page of VE to find a list of active committers, which was not possible. So I
have found a list at the project homepage[2] , which does not seems to cover
the current state, because for example Steve Robenalt, who was posting the
last official news on the mailing list, is still missing.

On the other hand Erik Hecht has build an unofficial release of VE 3.3,
which is based on the current CVS state, but has not the time nor the
permission to check in the changes in the CVS. He posted some patches in
this newsgroup, but have this patches been applied to the CVS by an active
committer?

I am disappointed, that there has never been an official statement of
contributors of VE, that they are leaving the project, so that the community
could have reacted on this new situation.As a consequence, I would suggest
to add a new phase to the Eclipse project plan, e.g. mature(non conforming),
signalling that there is a need for active participation and that this
project is in danger to get incompatible to future releases of the Eclipse
platform. I hope that things will get better, because if the fate of VE,
will be met by other projects, I am not sure, I would continue to recommend
people to develop their software based on the Eclipse platform.

Regards,

Michael

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/projects/
[2] http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/docs/ve-log.csv
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #140000 is a reply to message #139975] Tue, 28 August 2007 06:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

Michael,

Comments below.


Michael Thonhauser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am watching the discussions of VE for Eclipse 3.3. now for several weeks,
> and for me personally the situation of having no official release of VE for
> Eclipse Europe makes me doubt about the handling of Eclipse projects.
>
Painting all projects with the same brush stroke is not likely to be a
fair assessment.
> Looking at the Eclipse project homepage [1] the VE project is still marked
> as mature, which is in my personal opinion not true, because it is not
> compatible with the current Eclipse release.
It was mature, but perhaps now it's geriatric. :-(
> I have looked at the project
> page of VE to find a list of active committers, which was not possible.
No. As a committer rep on the board, I've been trying to push folks to
provide lists of names. In the projects I have direct control over, we
provide names as well as faces. I'll keep pressuring others to do the same.
> So I
> have found a list at the project homepage[2] , which does not seems to cover
> the current state, because for example Steve Robenalt, who was posting the
> last official news on the mailing list, is still missing.
>
> On the other hand Erik Hecht has build an unofficial release of VE 3.3,
> which is based on the current CVS state, but has not the time nor the
> permission to check in the changes in the CVS. He posted some patches in
> this newsgroup, but have this patches been applied to the CVS by an active
> committer?
>
Yes, I find the silence deafening and annoying. Is anyone working on
VE? And even more importantly is anyone wanting to work on VE and
finding their ability to do that is blocked? If that's the case, I'll
want to know about it. I was told there were folks working on VE, but
when simple questions about that aren't answered on the newsgroups I
kind of doubt it.
> I am disappointed, that there has never been an official statement of
> contributors of VE, that they are leaving the project, so that the community
> could have reacted on this new situation.
You would have expected to see that here? That seems reasonable.
Something on the project home page would seem reasonable as well.
Certainly this issue has been of concern with the EMO and the board.
> As a consequence, I would suggest
> to add a new phase to the Eclipse project plan, e.g. mature(non conforming),
> signalling that there is a need for active participation and that this
> project is in danger to get incompatible to future releases of the Eclipse
> platform.
Yes, it seems projects can quietly languish and disappear. Making a
formal announcement would seem reasonable.
> I hope that things will get better, because if the fate of VE,
> will be met by other projects, I am not sure, I would continue to recommend
> people to develop their software based on the Eclipse platform.
>
My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> [1] http://www.eclipse.org/projects/
> [2] http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/docs/ve-log.csv
>
>
>
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #140209 is a reply to message #140000] Sat, 01 September 2007 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: user.domain.invalid

Ed Merks wrote:

> My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
> quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
> well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
> personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?

I'd maybe be able to find a little time to work on it. I've wanted to extend
it in ways that aren't well documented (for example, I have played around
with a layout called RiverLayout, and wanted to add support for that layout
to VE but found no docs on how to do so; I also would love to be able to
extend VE to support JGoodies Forms). But I'd have to have someone familiar
with the VE project answering questions, and I would have quite a few.
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #140210 is a reply to message #140209] Sun, 02 September 2007 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

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I've been trying to track down who is actively working on this project
and have been unable to get a response so far. I'm hoping folks are on
vacation and will be back soon to respond to your offer. This project
obviously really needs to build up a set of committers so offers of help
cannot afford to be overlooked and in fact, given the relative vacuum,
it would seem anyone with time and interest can likely step in to fill
the void. Thanks for offering! I'll continue to try to find out what's
going on... In the meantime, if you work on the base code, to do so in
a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you are not a
committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your changes...


user@domain.invalid wrote:
> Ed Merks wrote:
>
>
>> My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
>> quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
>> well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
>> personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?
>>
>
> I'd maybe be able to find a little time to work on it. I've wanted to extend
> it in ways that aren't well documented (for example, I have played around
> with a layout called RiverLayout, and wanted to add support for that layout
> to VE but found no docs on how to do so; I also would love to be able to
> extend VE to support JGoodies Forms). But I'd have to have someone familiar
> with the VE project answering questions, and I would have quite a few.
>
>


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I've been trying to track down who is actively working on this project
and have been unable to get a response so far.&nbsp; I'm hoping folks are on
vacation and will be back soon to respond to your offer.&nbsp; This project
obviously really needs to build up a set of committers so offers of
help cannot afford to be overlooked and in fact, given the relative
vacuum, it would seem anyone with time and interest can likely step in
to fill the void.&nbsp; Thanks for offering!&nbsp; I'll continue to try to find
out what's going on...&nbsp; In the meantime, if you work on the base code,
to do so in a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you
are not a committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your
changes...<br>
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:user@domain.invalid">user@domain.invalid</a> wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:fbclif$st4$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Ed Merks wrote:

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
I'd maybe be able to find a little time to work on it. I've wanted to extend
it in ways that aren't well documented (for example, I have played around
with a layout called RiverLayout, and wanted to add support for that layout
to VE but found no docs on how to do so; I also would love to be able to
extend VE to support JGoodies Forms). But I'd have to have someone familiar
with the VE project answering questions, and I would have quite a few.

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Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #140211 is a reply to message #140210] Sun, 02 September 2007 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: sjsobol.JustThe.net

(user@domain.invalid was me, my nntp client was misconfigured)

Ed Merks wrote:
> going on... In the meantime, if you work on the base code, to do so in
> a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you are not a
> committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your changes...

Context diffs ok? (that's how I've traditionally done patches)

I just would hate to see the project drop by the wayside.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #140212 is a reply to message #140211] Sun, 02 September 2007 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

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Steve,

Typically one creates patches by extracting from CVS and producing the
patch of your modified files against the CVS originals. I'm not sure
what you mean by a context diff, but if it produces a patch folks can
apply against an image extracted from CVS then that's great.


Steve Sobol wrote:
> (user@domain.invalid was me, my nntp client was misconfigured)
>
> Ed Merks wrote:
>
>> going on... In the meantime, if you work on the base code, to do so in
>> a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you are not a
>> committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your changes...
>>
>
> Context diffs ok? (that's how I've traditionally done patches)
>
> I just would hate to see the project drop by the wayside.
>
>


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Steve,<br>
<br>
Typically one creates patches by extracting from CVS and producing the
patch of your modified files against the CVS originals.&nbsp; I'm not sure
what you mean by a context diff, but if it produces a patch folks can
apply against an image extracted from CVS then that's great.<br>
<br>
<br>
Steve Sobol wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:fbemo7$e66$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">(<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:user@domain.invalid">user@domain.invalid</a> was me, my nntp client was misconfigured)

Ed Merks wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">going on... In the meantime, if you work on the base code, to do so in
a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you are not a
committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your changes...
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Context diffs ok? (that's how I've traditionally done patches)

I just would hate to see the project drop by the wayside.

</pre>
</blockquote>
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Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #140214 is a reply to message #140212] Sun, 02 September 2007 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: sjsobol.JustThe.net

Ed Merks wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Typically one creates patches by extracting from CVS and producing the
> patch of your modified files against the CVS originals. I'm not sure
> what you mean by a context diff, but if it produces a patch folks can
> apply against an image extracted from CVS then that's great.\

I'm talking about diff -c, it's a unix thing from my C programming days :)

I've not done patches the way you describe before but I'm sure I can without
any hassle...


--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #140220 is a reply to message #140209] Tue, 04 September 2007 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: no.ddress.here

In article <fbclif$st4$1@build.eclipse.org>, user@domain.invalid says...
> Ed Merks wrote:
>
> > My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
> > quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
> > well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
> > personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?
>
> I'd maybe be able to find a little time to work on it. I've wanted to extend
> it in ways that aren't well documented (for example, I have played around
> with a layout called RiverLayout, and wanted to add support for that layout
> to VE but found no docs on how to do so; I also would love to be able to
> extend VE to support JGoodies Forms). But I'd have to have someone familiar
> with the VE project answering questions, and I would have quite a few.

The eJGForms plugin contributes JGoodies Forms support to VE.

http://www.certiv.net/products/ejgforms.html

Although the plugin user interaction aspects are still a bit beta, the
generated source code has no dependencies on VE or the plugin itself,
just to the standard JGoodies forms.jar. While I would be willing to
contribute the plugin, unfortunately I have not seen enough user demand
to justify the exposure (to VE) of integrating it into the base VE
distribution -- each layout manager seems to involve its own set of
tricky layout integration issues.
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #140239 is a reply to message #139904] Thu, 06 September 2007 17:29 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
Messages: 386
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Ed:
Just adding my 2 cents to the discussion:
we have been shipping VE with EasyEclipse and are working actively with Erik
Hecht to get a build for 33 in EasyEclipse.
That is outside of Eclipse for now, since I cannot see much answers from any
committers here.
I would be ready to chip in there.
The community is generous.
Who else would be ready to help maintain VE?

--
Cheers, Philippe
http://EasyEclipse.org
http://eclipse.org/atf

"Ed Merks" <merks@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:famb17$buq$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Norbert,
>
> A simple lack of investors is the problem. Eclipse is not a charity and
> most folks who work on it are typically getting paid for that work by
> someone who needs to turn a profit in order to continue to bear the
> costs. The community itself is not always as generous with their time
> nor with their contributions as they ought to be.
>
> I'm surprised the original question wasn't answered. Are there any
> active committers VE committers? I was lead to believe there were...
>
>
> Norbert Lamprecht wrote:
> > exquisitus schrieb:
> >> Yes pls - An answer from the eclipse developers would be highly
> >> appreciated.
> >> Even if it's a negative - no go...?
> > ve is one of the my main arguments for using eclipse, as java
> > programmes, and why is ve not a main application to eclipse ??
> >
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616390 is a reply to message #139804] Fri, 17 August 2007 06:59 Go to previous message
exquisitus is currently offline exquisitus
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Yes pls - An answer from the eclipse developers would be highly appreciated.
Even if it's a negative - no go...?
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616391 is a reply to message #139813] Sat, 18 August 2007 05:12 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: lamprecht.bwdesign.de

exquisitus schrieb:
> Yes pls - An answer from the eclipse developers would be highly
> appreciated.
> Even if it's a negative - no go...?
ve is one of the my main arguments for using eclipse, as java
programmes, and why is ve not a main application to eclipse ??
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616398 is a reply to message #139825] Fri, 24 August 2007 06:13 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
Messages: 25948
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Norbert,

A simple lack of investors is the problem. Eclipse is not a charity and
most folks who work on it are typically getting paid for that work by
someone who needs to turn a profit in order to continue to bear the
costs. The community itself is not always as generous with their time
nor with their contributions as they ought to be.

I'm surprised the original question wasn't answered. Are there any
active committers VE committers? I was lead to believe there were...


Norbert Lamprecht wrote:
> exquisitus schrieb:
>> Yes pls - An answer from the eclipse developers would be highly
>> appreciated.
>> Even if it's a negative - no go...?
> ve is one of the my main arguments for using eclipse, as java
> programmes, and why is ve not a main application to eclipse ??
>
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616405 is a reply to message #139904] Tue, 28 August 2007 04:18 Go to previous message
Michael Thonhauser is currently offline Michael Thonhauser
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi,

I am watching the discussions of VE for Eclipse 3.3. now for several weeks,
and for me personally the situation of having no official release of VE for
Eclipse Europe makes me doubt about the handling of Eclipse projects.
Looking at the Eclipse project homepage [1] the VE project is still marked
as mature, which is in my personal opinion not true, because it is not
compatible with the current Eclipse release. I have looked at the project
page of VE to find a list of active committers, which was not possible. So I
have found a list at the project homepage[2] , which does not seems to cover
the current state, because for example Steve Robenalt, who was posting the
last official news on the mailing list, is still missing.

On the other hand Erik Hecht has build an unofficial release of VE 3.3,
which is based on the current CVS state, but has not the time nor the
permission to check in the changes in the CVS. He posted some patches in
this newsgroup, but have this patches been applied to the CVS by an active
committer?

I am disappointed, that there has never been an official statement of
contributors of VE, that they are leaving the project, so that the community
could have reacted on this new situation.As a consequence, I would suggest
to add a new phase to the Eclipse project plan, e.g. mature(non conforming),
signalling that there is a need for active participation and that this
project is in danger to get incompatible to future releases of the Eclipse
platform. I hope that things will get better, because if the fate of VE,
will be met by other projects, I am not sure, I would continue to recommend
people to develop their software based on the Eclipse platform.

Regards,

Michael

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/projects/
[2] http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/docs/ve-log.csv
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616406 is a reply to message #139975] Tue, 28 August 2007 06:12 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Michael,

Comments below.


Michael Thonhauser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am watching the discussions of VE for Eclipse 3.3. now for several weeks,
> and for me personally the situation of having no official release of VE for
> Eclipse Europe makes me doubt about the handling of Eclipse projects.
>
Painting all projects with the same brush stroke is not likely to be a
fair assessment.
> Looking at the Eclipse project homepage [1] the VE project is still marked
> as mature, which is in my personal opinion not true, because it is not
> compatible with the current Eclipse release.
It was mature, but perhaps now it's geriatric. :-(
> I have looked at the project
> page of VE to find a list of active committers, which was not possible.
No. As a committer rep on the board, I've been trying to push folks to
provide lists of names. In the projects I have direct control over, we
provide names as well as faces. I'll keep pressuring others to do the same.
> So I
> have found a list at the project homepage[2] , which does not seems to cover
> the current state, because for example Steve Robenalt, who was posting the
> last official news on the mailing list, is still missing.
>
> On the other hand Erik Hecht has build an unofficial release of VE 3.3,
> which is based on the current CVS state, but has not the time nor the
> permission to check in the changes in the CVS. He posted some patches in
> this newsgroup, but have this patches been applied to the CVS by an active
> committer?
>
Yes, I find the silence deafening and annoying. Is anyone working on
VE? And even more importantly is anyone wanting to work on VE and
finding their ability to do that is blocked? If that's the case, I'll
want to know about it. I was told there were folks working on VE, but
when simple questions about that aren't answered on the newsgroups I
kind of doubt it.
> I am disappointed, that there has never been an official statement of
> contributors of VE, that they are leaving the project, so that the community
> could have reacted on this new situation.
You would have expected to see that here? That seems reasonable.
Something on the project home page would seem reasonable as well.
Certainly this issue has been of concern with the EMO and the board.
> As a consequence, I would suggest
> to add a new phase to the Eclipse project plan, e.g. mature(non conforming),
> signalling that there is a need for active participation and that this
> project is in danger to get incompatible to future releases of the Eclipse
> platform.
Yes, it seems projects can quietly languish and disappear. Making a
formal announcement would seem reasonable.
> I hope that things will get better, because if the fate of VE,
> will be met by other projects, I am not sure, I would continue to recommend
> people to develop their software based on the Eclipse platform.
>
My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> [1] http://www.eclipse.org/projects/
> [2] http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/docs/ve-log.csv
>
>
>
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616420 is a reply to message #140000] Sat, 01 September 2007 17:28 Go to previous message
user is currently offline user
Messages: 296
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Ed Merks wrote:

> My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
> quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
> well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
> personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?

I'd maybe be able to find a little time to work on it. I've wanted to extend
it in ways that aren't well documented (for example, I have played around
with a layout called RiverLayout, and wanted to add support for that layout
to VE but found no docs on how to do so; I also would love to be able to
extend VE to support JGoodies Forms). But I'd have to have someone familiar
with the VE project answering questions, and I would have quite a few.
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616421 is a reply to message #140209] Sun, 02 September 2007 08:55 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
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I've been trying to track down who is actively working on this project
and have been unable to get a response so far. I'm hoping folks are on
vacation and will be back soon to respond to your offer. This project
obviously really needs to build up a set of committers so offers of help
cannot afford to be overlooked and in fact, given the relative vacuum,
it would seem anyone with time and interest can likely step in to fill
the void. Thanks for offering! I'll continue to try to find out what's
going on... In the meantime, if you work on the base code, to do so in
a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you are not a
committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your changes...


user@domain.invalid wrote:
> Ed Merks wrote:
>
>
>> My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
>> quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
>> well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
>> personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?
>>
>
> I'd maybe be able to find a little time to work on it. I've wanted to extend
> it in ways that aren't well documented (for example, I have played around
> with a layout called RiverLayout, and wanted to add support for that layout
> to VE but found no docs on how to do so; I also would love to be able to
> extend VE to support JGoodies Forms). But I'd have to have someone familiar
> with the VE project answering questions, and I would have quite a few.
>
>


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I've been trying to track down who is actively working on this project
and have been unable to get a response so far.&nbsp; I'm hoping folks are on
vacation and will be back soon to respond to your offer.&nbsp; This project
obviously really needs to build up a set of committers so offers of
help cannot afford to be overlooked and in fact, given the relative
vacuum, it would seem anyone with time and interest can likely step in
to fill the void.&nbsp; Thanks for offering!&nbsp; I'll continue to try to find
out what's going on...&nbsp; In the meantime, if you work on the base code,
to do so in a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you
are not a committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your
changes...<br>
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:user@domain.invalid">user@domain.invalid</a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Ed Merks wrote:

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<pre wrap="">My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?
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I'd maybe be able to find a little time to work on it. I've wanted to extend
it in ways that aren't well documented (for example, I have played around
with a layout called RiverLayout, and wanted to add support for that layout
to VE but found no docs on how to do so; I also would love to be able to
extend VE to support JGoodies Forms). But I'd have to have someone familiar
with the VE project answering questions, and I would have quite a few.

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Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616422 is a reply to message #140210] Sun, 02 September 2007 12:01 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: sjsobol.JustThe.net

(user@domain.invalid was me, my nntp client was misconfigured)

Ed Merks wrote:
> going on... In the meantime, if you work on the base code, to do so in
> a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you are not a
> committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your changes...

Context diffs ok? (that's how I've traditionally done patches)

I just would hate to see the project drop by the wayside.

--
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"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616423 is a reply to message #140211] Sun, 02 September 2007 13:06 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
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Steve,

Typically one creates patches by extracting from CVS and producing the
patch of your modified files against the CVS originals. I'm not sure
what you mean by a context diff, but if it produces a patch folks can
apply against an image extracted from CVS then that's great.


Steve Sobol wrote:
> (user@domain.invalid was me, my nntp client was misconfigured)
>
> Ed Merks wrote:
>
>> going on... In the meantime, if you work on the base code, to do so in
>> a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you are not a
>> committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your changes...
>>
>
> Context diffs ok? (that's how I've traditionally done patches)
>
> I just would hate to see the project drop by the wayside.
>
>


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Steve,<br>
<br>
Typically one creates patches by extracting from CVS and producing the
patch of your modified files against the CVS originals.&nbsp; I'm not sure
what you mean by a context diff, but if it produces a patch folks can
apply against an image extracted from CVS then that's great.<br>
<br>
<br>
Steve Sobol wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:fbemo7$e66$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">(<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:user@domain.invalid">user@domain.invalid</a> was me, my nntp client was misconfigured)

Ed Merks wrote:
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<pre wrap="">going on... In the meantime, if you work on the base code, to do so in
a way that allows you to create patches so that even if you are not a
committer, someone with commit rights can easily apply your changes...
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Context diffs ok? (that's how I've traditionally done patches)

I just would hate to see the project drop by the wayside.

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Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616425 is a reply to message #140212] Sun, 02 September 2007 19:55 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: sjsobol.JustThe.net

Ed Merks wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Typically one creates patches by extracting from CVS and producing the
> patch of your modified files against the CVS originals. I'm not sure
> what you mean by a context diff, but if it produces a patch folks can
> apply against an image extracted from CVS then that's great.\

I'm talking about diff -c, it's a unix thing from my C programming days :)

I've not done patches the way you describe before but I'm sure I can without
any hassle...


--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616428 is a reply to message #140209] Tue, 04 September 2007 18:49 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: no.ddress.here

In article <fbclif$st4$1@build.eclipse.org>, user@domain.invalid says...
> Ed Merks wrote:
>
> > My personal experience tells me that the community of users is often
> > quite unwilling to contribute much of anything back and is certainly
> > well-stocked with critics. So one question for you is, how much are you
> > personally willing or able to contribute to Eclipse's success?
>
> I'd maybe be able to find a little time to work on it. I've wanted to extend
> it in ways that aren't well documented (for example, I have played around
> with a layout called RiverLayout, and wanted to add support for that layout
> to VE but found no docs on how to do so; I also would love to be able to
> extend VE to support JGoodies Forms). But I'd have to have someone familiar
> with the VE project answering questions, and I would have quite a few.

The eJGForms plugin contributes JGoodies Forms support to VE.

http://www.certiv.net/products/ejgforms.html

Although the plugin user interaction aspects are still a bit beta, the
generated source code has no dependencies on VE or the plugin itself,
just to the standard JGoodies forms.jar. While I would be willing to
contribute the plugin, unfortunately I have not seen enough user demand
to justify the exposure (to VE) of integrating it into the base VE
distribution -- each layout manager seems to involve its own set of
tricky layout integration issues.
Re: Plans to bring back VE to eclipse 3.3 and later? [message #616432 is a reply to message #139904] Thu, 06 September 2007 17:29 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
Messages: 386
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Ed:
Just adding my 2 cents to the discussion:
we have been shipping VE with EasyEclipse and are working actively with Erik
Hecht to get a build for 33 in EasyEclipse.
That is outside of Eclipse for now, since I cannot see much answers from any
committers here.
I would be ready to chip in there.
The community is generous.
Who else would be ready to help maintain VE?

--
Cheers, Philippe
http://EasyEclipse.org
http://eclipse.org/atf

"Ed Merks" <merks@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:famb17$buq$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Norbert,
>
> A simple lack of investors is the problem. Eclipse is not a charity and
> most folks who work on it are typically getting paid for that work by
> someone who needs to turn a profit in order to continue to bear the
> costs. The community itself is not always as generous with their time
> nor with their contributions as they ought to be.
>
> I'm surprised the original question wasn't answered. Are there any
> active committers VE committers? I was lead to believe there were...
>
>
> Norbert Lamprecht wrote:
> > exquisitus schrieb:
> >> Yes pls - An answer from the eclipse developers would be highly
> >> appreciated.
> >> Even if it's a negative - no go...?
> > ve is one of the my main arguments for using eclipse, as java
> > programmes, and why is ve not a main application to eclipse ??
> >
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