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Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #137044] Thu, 29 March 2007 03:08 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: bor0wy.gazeta.pl

Hi,
I've been searching for some asnerws for 2 days and I cannot find this so
i'm trying here.
What I need is to build some application that wil allow to build screen
templates using widgets. So generally i need to build gui for building
other guis. I think that pretty good solution is to use eclipse rcp and
VEP plugin. Unfortunatly I cannot find if it's possible. The best solution
it would be to build using rcp application add menu bar, tool bar, and
visual editor. On the left there is a list of components that can be used
to build on the right some screens.
Is it possible? Can i fully use VEP Because that's exactly what i need.
I need to take full some functionality of VEP and add this to my rcp
application, so I can make sreens add some components etc. Is it possible
to this like descriped above, or i've to use only some components in rcp
like menu, toolbar views and edtitors and this visual editor build from
scracht?

thanks for help
and sorry if the subject's been discussed, but i couldnt find it
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #137847 is a reply to message #137044] Tue, 29 May 2007 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: barthchristian.arcor.de

Hi!

I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you had any success so far?

Thanks,
Barthi
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #141089 is a reply to message #137847] Tue, 25 September 2007 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: oliver.mietrach.macio.de

Hi,

me, too. Has someone found a solution or some hints for this Problem?

Thanks, Oly

Christian Barth schrieb:
> Hi!
>
> I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you had any success so far?
>
> Thanks,
> Barthi
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #141164 is a reply to message #141089] Wed, 26 September 2007 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"pawelb" <bor0wy@gazeta.pl> wrote in message
news:2376b42d40296a050674261865c9a9ae$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
> I've been searching for some asnerws for 2 days and I cannot find this so
> i'm trying here.
> What I need is to build some application that wil allow to build screen
> templates using widgets. So generally i need to build gui for building
> other guis. I think that pretty good solution is to use eclipse rcp and
> VEP plugin. Unfortunatly I cannot find if it's possible. The best solution
> it would be to build using rcp application add menu bar, tool bar, and
> visual editor. On the left there is a list of components that can be used
> to build on the right some screens.
> Is it possible?
Yes it is. For instance Check out Crabide.ui from nokia. They do exactly
that on top of VE.

> Can i fully use VEP Because that's exactly what i need.
But now, VE as it is today is not really RCP freindly.
It assumes many pre-existing stuffs: Workspace and resources, JDT, and so
on.
Helping us make it RCP friendly would be great!


> I need to take full some functionality of VEP and add this to my rcp
> application, so I can make sreens add some components etc. Is it possible
> to this like descriped above, or i've to use only some components in rcp
> like menu, toolbar views and edtitors and this visual editor build from
> scracht?

> thanks for help
> and sorry if the subject's been discussed, but i couldnt find it
No problem.
:-)


--Philippe
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #141175 is a reply to message #141089] Wed, 26 September 2007 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"exquisitus" <oliver.mietrach@macio.de> wrote in message
news:fdaup0$407$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
> me, too. Has someone found a solution or some hints for this Problem?
> Thanks, Oly
> Christian Barth schrieb:
> > Hi!
> > I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you had
any success so far?
> > Thanks,
> > Barthi
So Barthi, Exquisitus and Pawelb:
the three of you want to make VE RCP friendly?
It would be a super idea. And you could work together to make it a reality.
Nokia did it for its Carbide.ui product. So it is doable.

What do you think?
This is an open source project after all :-)
--
Philippe
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #141238 is a reply to message #141175] Thu, 27 September 2007 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: oliver.mietrach.macio.de

Philippe Ombredanne schrieb:
> "exquisitus" <oliver.mietrach@macio.de> wrote in message
> news:fdaup0$407$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi,
>> me, too. Has someone found a solution or some hints for this Problem?
>> Thanks, Oly
>> Christian Barth schrieb:
>>> Hi!
>>> I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you had
> any success so far?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Barthi
> So Barthi, Exquisitus and Pawelb:
> the three of you want to make VE RCP friendly?
> It would be a super idea. And you could work together to make it a reality.
> Nokia did it for its Carbide.ui product. So it is doable.
>
> What do you think?
> This is an open source project after all :-)
> --
> Philippe
>
>
Yeah, Carbide.ui is a good example. Thats what I'm planing to do. Just
for another Problem. We now know it could be done. But how to start. My
first try is to start the visual editor in my RCP. I added some Plug-ins
for Resources, made a new Project and opened (after adding more Plug-ins
) an Editor. I've done the same with the java-Editor. I see, i can do
it. But where can I find an API-Reference for the VEP. Or does someone
know how to start the special Editor from the VEP?
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #141291 is a reply to message #141238] Fri, 28 September 2007 02:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
Messages: 386
Registered: July 2009
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"Oliver Mietrach" <oliver.mietrach@macio.de> wrote in message
news:fdg75l$ctb$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Philippe Ombredanne schrieb:
> > "exquisitus" <oliver.mietrach@macio.de> wrote in message
> > news:fdaup0$407$1@build.eclipse.org...
> >> Hi,
> >> me, too. Has someone found a solution or some hints for this Problem?
> >> Thanks, Oly
> >> Christian Barth schrieb:
> >>> Hi!
> >>> I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you
had
> > any success so far?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Barthi
> > So Barthi, Exquisitus and Pawelb:
> > the three of you want to make VE RCP friendly?
> > It would be a super idea. And you could work together to make it a
reality.
> > Nokia did it for its Carbide.ui product. So it is doable.
> >
> > What do you think?
> > This is an open source project after all :-)
> > --
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> Yeah, Carbide.ui is a good example. Thats what I'm planing to do. Just
> for another Problem. We now know it could be done. But how to start. My
> first try is to start the visual editor in my RCP. I added some Plug-ins
> for Resources, made a new Project and opened (after adding more Plug-ins
> ) an Editor. I've done the same with the java-Editor. I see, i can do
> it. But where can I find an API-Reference for the VEP. Or does someone
> know how to start the special Editor from the VEP?

There are some samples in CVS, may be they can give a starting point?
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #142027 is a reply to message #141291] Tue, 16 October 2007 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
Messages: 687
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
I think the solution XML GUI is a good approach for these requirements.
From my propsective, there are two thing missing in Java:
1. A Standard XML markup language
We can find some candidates: XForm XUL, XSWT and JAXX. AFAIS, None
is accepted by the market. There is another XAML which is part of WPF used
in Microsoft Vista. Our product eFace brings XAML in Java.
2. A user-friendly Visual designer base XML GUI

For the second issue, we have developped an extension on VE for our
customer CCR based on their XML format. You can find a screenshot here:
http://www.soyatec.com/services/vex-ccr.png

Last Match, I have proposed Joe WINCHEST to join VE team for developing a
general XML mechanism for VE. Until now, we reach nowhere.

Best regards
Yves YANG
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #142071 is a reply to message #142027] Wed, 17 October 2007 00:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
Messages: 386
Registered: July 2009
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"yves yang" <yves.yang@soyatec.com> wrote in message
> Last Match, I have proposed Joe WINCHEST to join VE team for developing a
> general XML mechanism for VE. Until now, we reach nowhere.
Yves:
I am really sorry you did not get positive answers and feedback when you
reached out.
There has been a lot of turmoil until recently on the project (well rather
than turmoil, let say the project WAS dying).
Things are changing.
I look forward to help with that contribution which seems quite interesting,
and extremely welcomed!
Cheers
Philippe
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #142095 is a reply to message #142027] Fri, 19 October 2007 08:23 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: oliver.mietrach.macio.de

yves yang schrieb:
> I think the solution XML GUI is a good approach for these requirements.
> From my propsective, there are two thing missing in Java:
> 1. A Standard XML markup language
> We can find some candidates: XForm XUL, XSWT and JAXX. AFAIS, None
> is accepted by the market. There is another XAML which is part of WPF
> used in Microsoft Vista. Our product eFace brings XAML in Java. 2. A
> user-friendly Visual designer base XML GUI
>
> For the second issue, we have developped an extension on VE for our
> customer CCR based on their XML format. You can find a screenshot here:
> http://www.soyatec.com/services/vex-ccr.png
>
> Last Match, I have proposed Joe WINCHEST to join VE team for developing
> a general XML mechanism for VE. Until now, we reach nowhere.
> Best regards Yves YANG
>
>
>
Yeah, looks quite well. I reached a similar Level by now. But I want my
product to look less Eclipse. And also loose some Eclipse functions. My
customer should only access the program he should not reach, maybe
creating his own Java Code. But i'm still working in this.
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #615304 is a reply to message #137044] Tue, 29 May 2007 05:29 Go to previous message
Christian Barth is currently offline Christian Barth
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Hi!

I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you had any success so far?

Thanks,
Barthi
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #616604 is a reply to message #137847] Tue, 25 September 2007 08:27 Go to previous message
exquisitus is currently offline exquisitus
Messages: 211
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Hi,

me, too. Has someone found a solution or some hints for this Problem?

Thanks, Oly

Christian Barth schrieb:
> Hi!
>
> I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you had any success so far?
>
> Thanks,
> Barthi
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #616611 is a reply to message #141089] Wed, 26 September 2007 19:19 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
Messages: 386
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"pawelb" <bor0wy@gazeta.pl> wrote in message
news:2376b42d40296a050674261865c9a9ae$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
> I've been searching for some asnerws for 2 days and I cannot find this so
> i'm trying here.
> What I need is to build some application that wil allow to build screen
> templates using widgets. So generally i need to build gui for building
> other guis. I think that pretty good solution is to use eclipse rcp and
> VEP plugin. Unfortunatly I cannot find if it's possible. The best solution
> it would be to build using rcp application add menu bar, tool bar, and
> visual editor. On the left there is a list of components that can be used
> to build on the right some screens.
> Is it possible?
Yes it is. For instance Check out Crabide.ui from nokia. They do exactly
that on top of VE.

> Can i fully use VEP Because that's exactly what i need.
But now, VE as it is today is not really RCP freindly.
It assumes many pre-existing stuffs: Workspace and resources, JDT, and so
on.
Helping us make it RCP friendly would be great!


> I need to take full some functionality of VEP and add this to my rcp
> application, so I can make sreens add some components etc. Is it possible
> to this like descriped above, or i've to use only some components in rcp
> like menu, toolbar views and edtitors and this visual editor build from
> scracht?

> thanks for help
> and sorry if the subject's been discussed, but i couldnt find it
No problem.
:-)


--Philippe
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #616612 is a reply to message #141089] Wed, 26 September 2007 19:22 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
Messages: 386
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"exquisitus" <oliver.mietrach@macio.de> wrote in message
news:fdaup0$407$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
> me, too. Has someone found a solution or some hints for this Problem?
> Thanks, Oly
> Christian Barth schrieb:
> > Hi!
> > I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you had
any success so far?
> > Thanks,
> > Barthi
So Barthi, Exquisitus and Pawelb:
the three of you want to make VE RCP friendly?
It would be a super idea. And you could work together to make it a reality.
Nokia did it for its Carbide.ui product. So it is doable.

What do you think?
This is an open source project after all :-)
--
Philippe
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #616618 is a reply to message #141175] Thu, 27 September 2007 08:21 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: oliver.mietrach.macio.de

Philippe Ombredanne schrieb:
> "exquisitus" <oliver.mietrach@macio.de> wrote in message
> news:fdaup0$407$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi,
>> me, too. Has someone found a solution or some hints for this Problem?
>> Thanks, Oly
>> Christian Barth schrieb:
>>> Hi!
>>> I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you had
> any success so far?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Barthi
> So Barthi, Exquisitus and Pawelb:
> the three of you want to make VE RCP friendly?
> It would be a super idea. And you could work together to make it a reality.
> Nokia did it for its Carbide.ui product. So it is doable.
>
> What do you think?
> This is an open source project after all :-)
> --
> Philippe
>
>
Yeah, Carbide.ui is a good example. Thats what I'm planing to do. Just
for another Problem. We now know it could be done. But how to start. My
first try is to start the visual editor in my RCP. I added some Plug-ins
for Resources, made a new Project and opened (after adding more Plug-ins
) an Editor. I've done the same with the java-Editor. I see, i can do
it. But where can I find an API-Reference for the VEP. Or does someone
know how to start the special Editor from the VEP?
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #616623 is a reply to message #141238] Fri, 28 September 2007 02:05 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
Messages: 386
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"Oliver Mietrach" <oliver.mietrach@macio.de> wrote in message
news:fdg75l$ctb$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Philippe Ombredanne schrieb:
> > "exquisitus" <oliver.mietrach@macio.de> wrote in message
> > news:fdaup0$407$1@build.eclipse.org...
> >> Hi,
> >> me, too. Has someone found a solution or some hints for this Problem?
> >> Thanks, Oly
> >> Christian Barth schrieb:
> >>> Hi!
> >>> I'm looking for something similar. Could you please tell me, if you
had
> > any success so far?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Barthi
> > So Barthi, Exquisitus and Pawelb:
> > the three of you want to make VE RCP friendly?
> > It would be a super idea. And you could work together to make it a
reality.
> > Nokia did it for its Carbide.ui product. So it is doable.
> >
> > What do you think?
> > This is an open source project after all :-)
> > --
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> Yeah, Carbide.ui is a good example. Thats what I'm planing to do. Just
> for another Problem. We now know it could be done. But how to start. My
> first try is to start the visual editor in my RCP. I added some Plug-ins
> for Resources, made a new Project and opened (after adding more Plug-ins
> ) an Editor. I've done the same with the java-Editor. I see, i can do
> it. But where can I find an API-Reference for the VEP. Or does someone
> know how to start the special Editor from the VEP?

There are some samples in CVS, may be they can give a starting point?
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #616770 is a reply to message #141291] Tue, 16 October 2007 10:57 Go to previous message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANG
Messages: 687
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
I think the solution XML GUI is a good approach for these requirements.
From my propsective, there are two thing missing in Java:
1. A Standard XML markup language
We can find some candidates: XForm XUL, XSWT and JAXX. AFAIS, None
is accepted by the market. There is another XAML which is part of WPF used
in Microsoft Vista. Our product eFace brings XAML in Java.
2. A user-friendly Visual designer base XML GUI

For the second issue, we have developped an extension on VE for our
customer CCR based on their XML format. You can find a screenshot here:
http://www.soyatec.com/services/vex-ccr.png

Last Match, I have proposed Joe WINCHEST to join VE team for developing a
general XML mechanism for VE. Until now, we reach nowhere.

Best regards
Yves YANG
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #616777 is a reply to message #142027] Wed, 17 October 2007 00:39 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
Messages: 386
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"yves yang" <yves.yang@soyatec.com> wrote in message
> Last Match, I have proposed Joe WINCHEST to join VE team for developing a
> general XML mechanism for VE. Until now, we reach nowhere.
Yves:
I am really sorry you did not get positive answers and feedback when you
reached out.
There has been a lot of turmoil until recently on the project (well rather
than turmoil, let say the project WAS dying).
Things are changing.
I look forward to help with that contribution which seems quite interesting,
and extremely welcomed!
Cheers
Philippe
Re: Visual Editor in RCP application - VE+RCP=GUI for building GUIs [message #616781 is a reply to message #142027] Fri, 19 October 2007 08:23 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: oliver.mietrach.macio.de

yves yang schrieb:
> I think the solution XML GUI is a good approach for these requirements.
> From my propsective, there are two thing missing in Java:
> 1. A Standard XML markup language
> We can find some candidates: XForm XUL, XSWT and JAXX. AFAIS, None
> is accepted by the market. There is another XAML which is part of WPF
> used in Microsoft Vista. Our product eFace brings XAML in Java. 2. A
> user-friendly Visual designer base XML GUI
>
> For the second issue, we have developped an extension on VE for our
> customer CCR based on their XML format. You can find a screenshot here:
> http://www.soyatec.com/services/vex-ccr.png
>
> Last Match, I have proposed Joe WINCHEST to join VE team for developing
> a general XML mechanism for VE. Until now, we reach nowhere.
> Best regards Yves YANG
>
>
>
Yeah, looks quite well. I reached a similar Level by now. But I want my
product to look less Eclipse. And also loose some Eclipse functions. My
customer should only access the program he should not reach, maybe
creating his own Java Code. But i'm still working in this.
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