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[AGR] AGR's future??? [message #119304] Mon, 10 December 2007 18:04 Go to next message
Barbara Rosi-Schwartz is currently offline Barbara Rosi-SchwartzFriend
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Registered: July 2009
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Hi all.

I have just received a bunch of updates on AGR bugs, the gist of which
appears to be that, as of TPTP 4.5, AGR has become an As-Is component,
which means that it is effectively no longer alive.

Is this really true? I know the AGR community appears small or at least
not very vociferous, but it seems really odd that such a momentous piece
of news should not be divulged on the newsgroup and relegated to a
comment in the Mozilla bugs.

Any comments from the AGR movers and shakers out there?

TIA,
B.

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Re: [AGR] AGR's future??? [message #119331 is a reply to message #119304] Mon, 10 December 2007 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: eclipse-dev.volanakis.de

Hi,

I would also be interested in some comments regarding the future of AGR.

I have started using AGR in a recent project but would likely start
looking for a replacement if this is true.

Kind regards,
Elias.

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I have just received a bunch of updates on AGR bugs, the gist of which
> appears to be that, as of TPTP 4.5, AGR has become an As-Is component,
> which means that it is effectively no longer alive.
>
> Is this really true? I know the AGR community appears small or at least
> not very vociferous, but it seems really odd that such a momentous piece
> of news should not be divulged on the newsgroup and relegated to a
> comment in the Mozilla bugs.
>
> Any comments from the AGR movers and shakers out there?
>
> TIA,
> B.
>
Re: [AGR] AGR's future??? [message #119345 is a reply to message #119331] Tue, 11 December 2007 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Slauenwhite is currently offline Paul SlauenwhiteFriend
Messages: 970
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Elias and Barbara,
Unfortunately, there are several General Availability (GA) or Technology
Preview components in TPTP that are moving to As-Is, including the AGR.
This move is in response to the change in resources for the TPTP 4.5
release. These As-Is components represent function that our consuming
products are not extending/packaging and therefore not funding. We will
continue to provide them to the open-source community for existing users but
with no support (for example, defects, news group, and mailing lists). They
are still being built and packaged so we can accept patches from the
open-source community. In the case of the AGR and BIRT test reports, we are
still using these components in the project. Of course, we are always
interested in contributions to any of these components and if sufficient
resources are contributed, we can move a component back to a General
Availability (GA) or Technology Preview component.

For more information, see:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/4.5_Component_Reorganization

We will be making an announcement on the TPTP News mailing list and the
news groups once all of the components have been moved to As-Is.

Our apologies for the negative impact that this reorganization has
caused.

Paul
"Elias Volanakis" <eclipse-dev@volanakis.de> wrote in message
news:fjkcoj$b8a$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> I would also be interested in some comments regarding the future of AGR.
>
> I have started using AGR in a recent project but would likely start
> looking for a replacement if this is true.
>
> Kind regards,
> Elias.
>
> Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I have just received a bunch of updates on AGR bugs, the gist of which
>> appears to be that, as of TPTP 4.5, AGR has become an As-Is component,
>> which means that it is effectively no longer alive.
>>
>> Is this really true? I know the AGR community appears small or at least
>> not very vociferous, but it seems really odd that such a momentous piece
>> of news should not be divulged on the newsgroup and relegated to a
>> comment in the Mozilla bugs.
>>
>> Any comments from the AGR movers and shakers out there?
>>
>> TIA,
>> B.
>>
Re: [AGR] AGR's future??? [message #119521 is a reply to message #119345] Thu, 13 December 2007 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: eclipse-dev.volanakis.de

Paul,

thanks for responding. I appreciate your clarification.

Kind regards,
Elias.

Paul Slauenwhite wrote:
> Hi Elias and Barbara,
> Unfortunately, there are several General Availability (GA) or Technology
> Preview components in TPTP that are moving to As-Is, including the AGR.
> This move is in response to the change in resources for the TPTP 4.5
> release. These As-Is components represent function that our consuming
> products are not extending/packaging and therefore not funding. We will
> continue to provide them to the open-source community for existing users but
> with no support (for example, defects, news group, and mailing lists). They
> are still being built and packaged so we can accept patches from the
> open-source community. In the case of the AGR and BIRT test reports, we are
> still using these components in the project. Of course, we are always
> interested in contributions to any of these components and if sufficient
> resources are contributed, we can move a component back to a General
> Availability (GA) or Technology Preview component.
>
> For more information, see:
>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/4.5_Component_Reorganization
>
> We will be making an announcement on the TPTP News mailing list and the
> news groups once all of the components have been moved to As-Is.
>
> Our apologies for the negative impact that this reorganization has
> caused.
>
> Paul
> "Elias Volanakis" <eclipse-dev@volanakis.de> wrote in message
> news:fjkcoj$b8a$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would also be interested in some comments regarding the future of AGR.
>>
>> I have started using AGR in a recent project but would likely start
>> looking for a replacement if this is true.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Elias.
>>
>> Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I have just received a bunch of updates on AGR bugs, the gist of which
>>> appears to be that, as of TPTP 4.5, AGR has become an As-Is component,
>>> which means that it is effectively no longer alive.
>>>
>>> Is this really true? I know the AGR community appears small or at least
>>> not very vociferous, but it seems really odd that such a momentous piece
>>> of news should not be divulged on the newsgroup and relegated to a
>>> comment in the Mozilla bugs.
>>>
>>> Any comments from the AGR movers and shakers out there?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> B.
>>>
>
>
Re: [AGR] AGR's future??? [message #119547 is a reply to message #119345] Fri, 14 December 2007 15:41 Go to previous message
Barbara Rosi-Schwartz is currently offline Barbara Rosi-SchwartzFriend
Messages: 448
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Thanks for the information, Paul.

It is really a pity. With all the pending problems (some of which were
rather critical for us) we still found AGR a very good tool, much more
controllable, stable and resilient to change than most functional
testing tools out there. A shame that the powers that be at your end do
not recognise this!...

I wish I had the time and the energy to contribute to it myself, but
unfortunately, with our own fairly major open source project, I am left
with no extra time at all.

Thank you and your team anyway for the AGR work and the answers to all
those newsgroup panicked questions!... :-)

Kindest regards,
B.

Barbara Rosi-Schwartz
Etish Limited [http://www.etish.org]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

^...^
/ o,o \ The proud parents of Useme
|) ::: (| The Open Requirements Management Tool
====w=w==== [https://useme.dev.java.net]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Paul Slauenwhite wrote:
> Hi Elias and Barbara,
> Unfortunately, there are several General Availability (GA) or Technology
> Preview components in TPTP that are moving to As-Is, including the AGR.
> This move is in response to the change in resources for the TPTP 4.5
> release. These As-Is components represent function that our consuming
> products are not extending/packaging and therefore not funding. We will
> continue to provide them to the open-source community for existing users but
> with no support (for example, defects, news group, and mailing lists). They
> are still being built and packaged so we can accept patches from the
> open-source community. In the case of the AGR and BIRT test reports, we are
> still using these components in the project. Of course, we are always
> interested in contributions to any of these components and if sufficient
> resources are contributed, we can move a component back to a General
> Availability (GA) or Technology Preview component.
>
> For more information, see:
>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/4.5_Component_Reorganization
>
> We will be making an announcement on the TPTP News mailing list and the
> news groups once all of the components have been moved to As-Is.
>
> Our apologies for the negative impact that this reorganization has
> caused.
>
> Paul
> "Elias Volanakis" <eclipse-dev@volanakis.de> wrote in message
> news:fjkcoj$b8a$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would also be interested in some comments regarding the future of AGR.
>>
>> I have started using AGR in a recent project but would likely start
>> looking for a replacement if this is true.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Elias.
>>
>> Barbara Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I have just received a bunch of updates on AGR bugs, the gist of which
>>> appears to be that, as of TPTP 4.5, AGR has become an As-Is component,
>>> which means that it is effectively no longer alive.
>>>
>>> Is this really true? I know the AGR community appears small or at least
>>> not very vociferous, but it seems really odd that such a momentous piece
>>> of news should not be divulged on the newsgroup and relegated to a
>>> comment in the Mozilla bugs.
>>>
>>> Any comments from the AGR movers and shakers out there?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> B.
>>>
>
>
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