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[PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Privacy Policy [message #9920] Wed, 12 January 2005 10:12 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

[posted via http news gateway, as no access via nntp]

"
Clickstream Data and Cookies

We sometimes collect anonymous information from visits to this Web site to
help provide better service. For example, We keep track of the domains
from which people visit and We also measure visitor activity on
Eclipse.org, but in ways that keep the information anonymous. This
anonymous information is sometimes known as "clickstream data." We may
use this data to analyze trends and statistics and to help us tailor the
Web site to better serve Eclipse participants.

Also, when personal data is collected from you in connection with a
transaction (such as contribution of code or posting to newsgroups) We may
extract some information about that transaction in an anonymous format and
combine it with other anonymous information such as clickstream data.
This anonymous information is used and analyzed only at an aggregate level
to help Us understand trends and patterns.
"
http://www.eclipse.org/legal/privacy.html

"This anonymous information is used and analyzed only at an aggregate
level to help Us understand trends and patterns"

I cannot access news.eclipse.org since the censorship request of Mr. Mike
Milinkovich (ex-IBM, Eclipse Foundation Director).

Using data to identify my person or my ISP-region to block my access (or
the regions access) to the eclipse foundations resources is a

DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE ECLIPSE FOUNDATIONS PRIVACY POLICY

I ask you to stop this violation and enable immediatly my access to the
eclipse news-server via nntp.

--
http://lazaridis.com
Re: [PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Privacy Policy [message #12480 is a reply to message #9920] Thu, 20 January 2005 00:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

ilias wrote:

> [posted via http news gateway, as no access via nntp]

[posting via http-news-gateway (over anonymous proxy to circumvent
identification and blocking)]

-

I ask Mr. Mike Milinkovich to make a statement about this
privacy-policy-violation complaint.

-

Does this community realize, what "abuse of power" and "violation of
privacy policy" means?

Does this community realize, that I'm since nealy _two_ weeks blocked
within this medium (without having violated _any_ rules of this media)?

Does this community understand that the Eclipse Foundation Director (and
the community itself) has given me the right to post usenet threads like
this?:

[ECLIPSE] [PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Eclipse Foundations Privacy
Policy
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.softwaret ools/msg/65338948c9f6818f

> "
> Clickstream Data and Cookies

> We sometimes collect anonymous information from visits to this Web site to
> help provide better service. For example, We keep track of the domains
> from which people visit and We also measure visitor activity on
> Eclipse.org, but in ways that keep the information anonymous. This
> anonymous information is sometimes known as "clickstream data." We may
> use this data to analyze trends and statistics and to help us tailor the
> Web site to better serve Eclipse participants.

> Also, when personal data is collected from you in connection with a
> transaction (such as contribution of code or posting to newsgroups) We may
> extract some information about that transaction in an anonymous format and
> combine it with other anonymous information such as clickstream data.
> This anonymous information is used and analyzed only at an aggregate level
> to help Us understand trends and patterns.
> "
> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/privacy.html

> "This anonymous information is used and analyzed only at an aggregate
> level to help Us understand trends and patterns"

> I cannot access news.eclipse.org since the censorship request of Mr. Mike
> Milinkovich (ex-IBM, Eclipse Foundation Director).

> Using data to identify my person or my ISP-region to block my access (or
> the regions access) to the eclipse foundations resources is a

> DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE ECLIPSE FOUNDATIONS PRIVACY POLICY

> I ask you to stop this violation and enable immediatly my access to the
> eclipse news-server via nntp.

> --
> http://lazaridis.com
Re: [PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Privacy Policy [message #12521 is a reply to message #12480] Thu, 20 January 2005 02:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric Clayberg is currently offline Eric Clayberg
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Location: Boston, MA
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"ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:csmvcb$ih$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
> [posting via http-news-gateway (over anonymous proxy to circumvent
> identification and blocking)]

I applaud your creativity. ;-)

> I ask Mr. Mike Milinkovich to make a statement about this
> privacy-policy-violation complaint.

I wouldn't want to lay odds on you getting Mike to respond to you in the
future.

> Does this community realize, what "abuse of power" and "violation of
> privacy policy" means?
>
> Does this community realize, that I'm since nealy _two_ weeks blocked
> within this medium (without having violated _any_ rules of this media)?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see any violation of the
privacy policy (and I have read it over several time). What aspect of the
privacy policy has been violated? Your IP address is *public*. It is neither
anonymous or private. It is visible in the header of any posting your make
here or to any other forum. Using that IP address, therefore, to block your
access does not strike me as a violation of the privacy policy. I'm assuming
that you have a different interpretation.

-Eric
Re: [PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Privacy Policy [message #12703 is a reply to message #12521] Thu, 20 January 2005 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Eric Clayberg wrote:

> "ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
> news:csmvcb$ih$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>
>> [posting via http-news-gateway (over anonymous proxy to circumvent
>> identification and blocking)]

> I applaud your creativity. ;-)

My creativity is not yet active.

>> I ask Mr. Mike Milinkovich to make a statement about this
>> privacy-policy-violation complaint.

!!!

> I wouldn't want to lay odds on you getting Mike to respond to you in the
> future.

Possibly.

He seems to be unable to decouple.

The person which raises an Issue, from...

...the Issue which was raised.

>> Does this community realize, what "abuse of power" and "violation of
>> privacy policy" means?
>>
>> Does this community realize, that I'm since nealy _two_ weeks blocked
>> within this medium (without having violated _any_ rules of this media)?

> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see any violation of the
[...] - (playing with terminology, whilst ignoring fundametals of privacy)

You don't see many things.

[or you don't want to see them]

..

--
http://lazaridis.com
Re: [PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Privacy Policy [message #12724 is a reply to message #12703] Thu, 20 January 2005 20:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric Clayberg is currently offline Eric Clayberg
Messages: 860
Registered: July 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Senior Member
"ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:csp1q7$ik2$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
>> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see any violation of the
> [...] - (playing with terminology, whilst ignoring fundametals of privacy)
>
> You don't see many things.

Maybe so. What I do see clearly, however, is that you have made numerous
bold charges about violations of the Eclipse privacy policy in a number of
different forums and that you can't (or won't?) back those charges up. While
I could actually care less about whether you are banished from this
newsgroup or not, the actual banishment itself does not appear to have been
a breach of the Eclipse privacy policy at all.

Your name, your e-mail address and your IP address are all public
information readily available to anyone with a browser. Using your IP
address to block your access to the newsgroup, therefore, is not a violation
of the privacy policy.

Note that I am expressly not commenting on whether banning you from the
newsgroup is good or bad. I am only pointing out that it does not constitute
a violation of the privacy policy as you have charged.

-Eric
Re: [PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Privacy Policy [message #12743 is a reply to message #12724] Fri, 21 January 2005 01:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

[posting via http-news-gateway (over anonymous proxy to circumvent
identification and blocking)]

-

Eric Clayberg wrote:

> "ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
> news:csp1q7$ik2$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>
>>> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see any violation of the
>> [...] - (playing with terminology, whilst ignoring fundametals of privacy)
>>
>> You don't see many things.

> Maybe so. What I do see clearly, however, is that you have made numerous
[...] - (overseeing the privacy policy excerpts in theOriginal Message)

please reread my initial message.

I'm not willing to analyze this deeper for you.

[Still awaiting an official response]

..

--
http://lazaridis.com
Re: [PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Privacy Policy [message #12804 is a reply to message #12743] Fri, 21 January 2005 03:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric Clayberg is currently offline Eric Clayberg
Messages: 860
Registered: July 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Senior Member
"ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:cspkde$ppk$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
> please reread my initial message.

Sorry, but it wasn't any more illuminating on the second read.

> I'm not willing to analyze this deeper for you.

Because you *can't*.

It was never more than an empty accusation with no evidence to back it up.

There was *no* violation of the privacy policy to begin with.

-Eric
Re: [PRIVACY] - Direct Violation of Privacy Policy [message #12883 is a reply to message #12804] Sat, 22 January 2005 00:22 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

[http-nntp gateway over anonymous proxy]

-

Eric Clayberg wrote:

> "ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
> news:cspkde$ppk$1@www.eclipse.org...
>>
>> please reread my initial message.
> Sorry, but it wasn't any more illuminating on the second read.

So, lets wait for the official comment.

>> I'm not willing to analyze this deeper for you.
> Because you *can't*.
> It was never more than an empty accusation with no evidence to back it up.

Like it was with the IP-blocking?

> There was *no* violation of the privacy policy to begin with.

Your "No-IP-blocking" try was at least funny.

..

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http://lazaridis.com
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