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BPMN notation? [message #707] Thu, 14 July 2005 15:20 Go to next message
Pete Rivett is currently offline Pete Rivett
Messages: 12
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
BPMN is becoming a de-facto standard for graphical process modeling, and is
set to become an official standard under the OMG banner through the merger
of BPMI.org and OMG (see http://www.bpmi.org/downloads/BPMI-OMG_Merger.pdf).
Is it the intention for BPEL Designer to support this notation?
Re: BPMN notation? [message #718 is a reply to message #707] Thu, 14 July 2005 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: xinyu.zhou.asu.edu

This sounds interesting.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Rivett [mailto:pete.rivett@adaptive.com]
Posted At: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:20 AM
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Conversation: BPMN notation?
Subject: BPMN notation?

BPMN is becoming a de-facto standard for graphical process modeling, and
is
set to become an official standard under the OMG banner through the
merger
of BPMI.org and OMG (see
http://www.bpmi.org/downloads/BPMI-OMG_Merger.pdf).
Is it the intention for BPEL Designer to support this notation?
Re: BPMN notation? [message #732 is a reply to message #707] Wed, 20 July 2005 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: edwin.khodabakchian.oracle.com

Pete Rivett wrote:

This is a good question. The current scope of the project focuses more on
how to enable a process analyst to implement the heart of the executable
project rather than providing a tool for the business analyst to capture
requirements.

There are multiple ways to marry BPMN and BPEL:
1) is import/export - Most business analyst tools IDS Sheer, Popkin,
Proforma are going this direction.

2) is to allow the developer to annotate its BPEL source with some
metadata and use can metadata to generate a BPMN view (similar to Javadoc
annotation to code and document generation).

Both approaches have value and something we could consider in the second
iteration of the designer: the goal of the first iteration is to build the
foundation for BPEL and we are trying to manage the scope to make sure
that we can deliver something useful in less than a year.

Edwin
Re: BPMN notation? [message #847 is a reply to message #732] Thu, 01 September 2005 00:36 Go to previous message
Greg Adams is currently offline Greg Adams
Messages: 5
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Edwin,
I concur with your observations as to the possible ways to marry the pieces.
I would also observe that the update to the proposal (recently posted) also
emphasizes extensibility along the lines you mention. Staging it with the
focus to bpel initially is the right answer aswell. That will no doubt give
the project enough to chew on for the first wave & its imperitive we make
good progress. It will also be interesting to see how the oasis evolves the
bpel standard and how that might play into this.

Greg.


"Edwin Khodabakchian" <edwin.khodabakchian@oracle.com> wrote in message
news:c712d9990b3a7fabc28e3f87c825a1c5$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Pete Rivett wrote:
>
> This is a good question. The current scope of the project focuses more on
> how to enable a process analyst to implement the heart of the executable
> project rather than providing a tool for the business analyst to capture
> requirements.
>
> There are multiple ways to marry BPMN and BPEL:
> 1) is import/export - Most business analyst tools IDS Sheer, Popkin,
> Proforma are going this direction.
>
> 2) is to allow the developer to annotate its BPEL source with some
> metadata and use can metadata to generate a BPMN view (similar to Javadoc
> annotation to code and document generation).
>
> Both approaches have value and something we could consider in the second
> iteration of the designer: the goal of the first iteration is to build the
> foundation for BPEL and we are trying to manage the scope to make sure
> that we can deliver something useful in less than a year.
>
> Edwin
>
Re: BPMN notation? [message #1467 is a reply to message #732] Thu, 01 September 2005 00:36 Go to previous message
Greg Adams is currently offline Greg Adams
Messages: 5
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Edwin,
I concur with your observations as to the possible ways to marry the pieces.
I would also observe that the update to the proposal (recently posted) also
emphasizes extensibility along the lines you mention. Staging it with the
focus to bpel initially is the right answer aswell. That will no doubt give
the project enough to chew on for the first wave & its imperitive we make
good progress. It will also be interesting to see how the oasis evolves the
bpel standard and how that might play into this.

Greg.


"Edwin Khodabakchian" <edwin.khodabakchian@oracle.com> wrote in message
news:c712d9990b3a7fabc28e3f87c825a1c5$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Pete Rivett wrote:
>
> This is a good question. The current scope of the project focuses more on
> how to enable a process analyst to implement the heart of the executable
> project rather than providing a tool for the business analyst to capture
> requirements.
>
> There are multiple ways to marry BPMN and BPEL:
> 1) is import/export - Most business analyst tools IDS Sheer, Popkin,
> Proforma are going this direction.
>
> 2) is to allow the developer to annotate its BPEL source with some
> metadata and use can metadata to generate a BPMN view (similar to Javadoc
> annotation to code and document generation).
>
> Both approaches have value and something we could consider in the second
> iteration of the designer: the goal of the first iteration is to build the
> foundation for BPEL and we are trying to manage the scope to make sure
> that we can deliver something useful in less than a year.
>
> Edwin
>
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