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Hi,
I would very much appreciate if someone on the TPTP project could
comment on the status of the AGR. From the outside it appears to me that
progress has pretty much come to a standstill. Has the project been
suspended or can we anticipate renewed activity? I know that the project
is a Technology preview and from what I can ascertain there is not a
formal commit to deliverables with specific target dates. Still it would
very useful for us (and probably other interested parties) if there was
some sort of indication on where the project is headed.
We have been using AGR quite seriously and have found it to be a great
tool, so I would really hate to see it stop growing.
Thanks,
Joel
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi,<br>
<br>
I would very much appreciate if someone on the TPTP project could
comment on the status of the AGR. From the outside it appears to me
that progress has pretty much come to a standstill. Has the project
been suspended or can we anticipate renewed activity? I know that the
project is a Technology preview and from what I can ascertain there is
not a formal commit to deliverables with specific target dates. Still
it would very useful for us (and probably other interested parties) if
there was some sort of indication on where the project is headed.<br>
<br>
We have been using AGR quite seriously and have found it to be a great
tool, so I would really hate to see it stop growing.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Joel<br>
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| Re: What's the status of the AGR project [message #74261 is a reply to message #74243] |
Wed, 14 June 2006 20:50  |
 Randy D. Smith
Messages: 394
Registered: July 2009 |
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Joel Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would very much appreciate if someone on the TPTP project could
> comment on the status of the AGR. From the outside it appears to me that
> progress has pretty much come to a standstill. Has the project been
> suspended or can we anticipate renewed activity? I know that the project
> is a Technology preview and from what I can ascertain there is not a
> formal commit to deliverables with specific target dates. Still it would
> very useful for us (and probably other interested parties) if there was
> some sort of indication on where the project is headed.
>
> We have been using AGR quite seriously and have found it to be a great
> tool, so I would really hate to see it stop growing.
>
> Thanks,
> Joel
It may appear it's at a stand-still from the outside, but that is
probably a by-product of the impending "Callisto Release" where our 4.2
release will join 9 other Eclipse releases (include 3.2 of the Platform)
in one grand and glorious "simultaneous release" at the end of the month.
To get 10 projects released simultaneously is a huge undertaking (there
are a lot of people doing a LOT of testing right now!), and it
necessitates "breathing room" of sorts. Thus, though we've more-or-less
been "finished" with TPTP 4.2 for a while now, we've been going through
coordinated efforts putting out Callisto "release candidates" (RC) for
several weeks. This all culminates with "the" Callisto release at the
end of June.
(For the curious, go see how many platforms we support... then go look
at the test plans for a given platform... then calculate the effort
involved in validating each RC as it is prepared. That's a LOT of effort!)
Meanwhile... back at the ranch... 4.3 planning is underway, and you're
not alone in your interest in AGR. If you check out the main Eclipse
TPTP page you can find links to that 4.3 planning process. Part of that
is a list of enhancement requests, and people (sorry, I'd have to look
it up to narrow it down more clearly as to just which people...) have
been allowed to vote on those enhancements.
AGR won in a landslide; that's the universally accepted position I've
seen taken. Last I looked, "the" AGR bugzilla had ~117 votes (and it's
debatable whether 2 or 3 others are really all just pointers to that
same effort... totaling a 10-20 more votes or so), AC for MacOS had ~55
votes, and it trailed off from there. Stuff I know we really have/need
to do has a few votes, if you need a point of reference! AGR is quite
popular. Go Ali!! :-)
Of course, desire and interest are one thing; rubber meeting the road is
another. I know that several have pointed out that interest in the form
of contributed code and actual involvement is the *sincerest* form of
voting for a project... so all you lurkers out there who want this
consider contributing in even more substantial ways! (Hmmmm, reading
this, I realize you might get the wrong idea. Please don't send me
money! I'd just have to send it back! :-) )
So... yes, it "appears" to be stagnate, but that is far from the truth.
AGR is still very much the "hot seat" as far as TPTP is concerned!
--
RDS
Randy D. Smith randy (dot) d (dot) smith (at) intel (dot) com
Eclipse TPTP Committer, Platform Proj (data collection/agent controller)
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| Re: What's the status of the AGR project [message #74316 is a reply to message #74261] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 05:28 |
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Brilliant! :-) :-) :-)
That's exactly what I _wanted_ to here. And, Randy, thank you very much
for such a complete reply, it is very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Joel
Randy D. Smith wrote:
> Joel Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would very much appreciate if someone on the TPTP project could
>> comment on the status of the AGR. From the outside it appears to me
>> that progress has pretty much come to a standstill. Has the project
>> been suspended or can we anticipate renewed activity? I know that the
>> project is a Technology preview and from what I can ascertain there
>> is not a formal commit to deliverables with specific target dates.
>> Still it would very useful for us (and probably other interested
>> parties) if there was some sort of indication on where the project is
>> headed.
>>
>> We have been using AGR quite seriously and have found it to be a
>> great tool, so I would really hate to see it stop growing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joel
>
> It may appear it's at a stand-still from the outside, but that is
> probably a by-product of the impending "Callisto Release" where our
> 4.2 release will join 9 other Eclipse releases (include 3.2 of the
> Platform) in one grand and glorious "simultaneous release" at the end
> of the month.
>
> To get 10 projects released simultaneously is a huge undertaking
> (there are a lot of people doing a LOT of testing right now!), and it
> necessitates "breathing room" of sorts. Thus, though we've
> more-or-less been "finished" with TPTP 4.2 for a while now, we've been
> going through coordinated efforts putting out Callisto "release
> candidates" (RC) for several weeks. This all culminates with "the"
> Callisto release at the end of June.
>
> (For the curious, go see how many platforms we support... then go look
> at the test plans for a given platform... then calculate the effort
> involved in validating each RC as it is prepared. That's a LOT of
> effort!)
>
> Meanwhile... back at the ranch... 4.3 planning is underway, and you're
> not alone in your interest in AGR. If you check out the main Eclipse
> TPTP page you can find links to that 4.3 planning process. Part of
> that is a list of enhancement requests, and people (sorry, I'd have to
> look it up to narrow it down more clearly as to just which people...)
> have been allowed to vote on those enhancements.
>
> AGR won in a landslide; that's the universally accepted position I've
> seen taken. Last I looked, "the" AGR bugzilla had ~117 votes (and it's
> debatable whether 2 or 3 others are really all just pointers to that
> same effort... totaling a 10-20 more votes or so), AC for MacOS had
> ~55 votes, and it trailed off from there. Stuff I know we really
> have/need to do has a few votes, if you need a point of reference! AGR
> is quite popular. Go Ali!! :-)
>
> Of course, desire and interest are one thing; rubber meeting the road
> is another. I know that several have pointed out that interest in the
> form of contributed code and actual involvement is the *sincerest*
> form of voting for a project... so all you lurkers out there who want
> this consider contributing in even more substantial ways! (Hmmmm,
> reading this, I realize you might get the wrong idea. Please don't
> send me money! I'd just have to send it back! :-) )
>
> So... yes, it "appears" to be stagnate, but that is far from the
> truth. AGR is still very much the "hot seat" as far as TPTP is concerned!
>
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Brilliant! <span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
<br>
That's exactly what I <u>wanted</u> to here. And, Randy, thank you
very much for such a complete reply, it is very much appreciated.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Joel<br>
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Randy D. Smith wrote:
<blockquote cite="mide6psq3$7so$1@utils.eclipse.org" type="cite">Joel
Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi,
<br>
<br>
I would very much appreciate if someone on the TPTP project could
comment on the status of the AGR. From the outside it appears to me
that progress has pretty much come to a standstill. Has the project
been suspended or can we anticipate renewed activity? I know that the
project is a Technology preview and from what I can ascertain there is
not a formal commit to deliverables with specific target dates. Still
it would very useful for us (and probably other interested parties) if
there was some sort of indication on where the project is headed.
<br>
<br>
We have been using AGR quite seriously and have found it to be a great
tool, so I would really hate to see it stop growing.
<br>
<br>
Thanks,
<br>
Joel
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
It may appear it's at a stand-still from the outside, but that is
probably a by-product of the impending "Callisto Release" where our 4.2
release will join 9 other Eclipse releases (include 3.2 of the
Platform) in one grand and glorious "simultaneous release" at the end
of the month.
<br>
<br>
To get 10 projects released simultaneously is a huge undertaking (there
are a lot of people doing a LOT of testing right now!), and it
necessitates "breathing room" of sorts. Thus, though we've more-or-less
been "finished" with TPTP 4.2 for a while now, we've been going through
coordinated efforts putting out Callisto "release candidates" (RC) for
several weeks. This all culminates with "the" Callisto release at the
end of June.
<br>
<br>
(For the curious, go see how many platforms we support... then go look
at the test plans for a given platform... then calculate the effort
involved in validating each RC as it is prepared. That's a LOT of
effort!)
<br>
<br>
Meanwhile... back at the ranch... 4.3 planning is underway, and you're
not alone in your interest in AGR. If you check out the main Eclipse
TPTP page you can find links to that 4.3 planning process. Part of that
is a list of enhancement requests, and people (sorry, I'd have to look
it up to narrow it down more clearly as to just which people...) have
been allowed to vote on those enhancements.
<br>
<br>
AGR won in a landslide; that's the universally accepted position I've
seen taken. Last I looked, "the" AGR bugzilla had ~117 votes (and it's
debatable whether 2 or 3 others are really all just pointers to that
same effort... totaling a 10-20 more votes or so), AC for MacOS had ~55
votes, and it trailed off from there. Stuff I know we really have/need
to do has a few votes, if you need a point of reference! AGR is quite
popular. Go Ali!! :-)
<br>
<br>
Of course, desire and interest are one thing; rubber meeting the road
is another. I know that several have pointed out that interest in the
form of contributed code and actual involvement is the *sincerest* form
of voting for a project... so all you lurkers out there who want this
consider contributing in even more substantial ways! (Hmmmm, reading
this, I realize you might get the wrong idea. Please don't send me
money! I'd just have to send it back! :-) )
<br>
<br>
So... yes, it "appears" to be stagnate, but that is far from the truth.
AGR is still very much the "hot seat" as far as TPTP is concerned!
<br>
<br>
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| Re: What's the status of the AGR project [message #74335 is a reply to message #74261] |
Thu, 15 June 2006 06:22 |
Barbara Rosi-Schwartz
Messages: 448
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Randy,
Thanks for the exhaustive and extremely positive reply!
We are great fans of AGR; whilst unfortunately we do not have the
bandwidth, at least at the moment, to contribute to AGR "in more
substantial ways" (not even the money!... ;-), we are very willing to
contribute to serious user testing of the forthcoming releases.
Thanks once again.
Cheerio,
B.
Randy D. Smith wrote:
> Joel Rosi-Schwartz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would very much appreciate if someone on the TPTP project could
>> comment on the status of the AGR. From the outside it appears to me
>> that progress has pretty much come to a standstill. Has the project
>> been suspended or can we anticipate renewed activity? I know that the
>> project is a Technology preview and from what I can ascertain there is
>> not a formal commit to deliverables with specific target dates. Still
>> it would very useful for us (and probably other interested parties) if
>> there was some sort of indication on where the project is headed.
>>
>> We have been using AGR quite seriously and have found it to be a great
>> tool, so I would really hate to see it stop growing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joel
>
> It may appear it's at a stand-still from the outside, but that is
> probably a by-product of the impending "Callisto Release" where our 4.2
> release will join 9 other Eclipse releases (include 3.2 of the Platform)
> in one grand and glorious "simultaneous release" at the end of the month.
>
> To get 10 projects released simultaneously is a huge undertaking (there
> are a lot of people doing a LOT of testing right now!), and it
> necessitates "breathing room" of sorts. Thus, though we've more-or-less
> been "finished" with TPTP 4.2 for a while now, we've been going through
> coordinated efforts putting out Callisto "release candidates" (RC) for
> several weeks. This all culminates with "the" Callisto release at the
> end of June.
>
> (For the curious, go see how many platforms we support... then go look
> at the test plans for a given platform... then calculate the effort
> involved in validating each RC as it is prepared. That's a LOT of effort!)
>
> Meanwhile... back at the ranch... 4.3 planning is underway, and you're
> not alone in your interest in AGR. If you check out the main Eclipse
> TPTP page you can find links to that 4.3 planning process. Part of that
> is a list of enhancement requests, and people (sorry, I'd have to look
> it up to narrow it down more clearly as to just which people...) have
> been allowed to vote on those enhancements.
>
> AGR won in a landslide; that's the universally accepted position I've
> seen taken. Last I looked, "the" AGR bugzilla had ~117 votes (and it's
> debatable whether 2 or 3 others are really all just pointers to that
> same effort... totaling a 10-20 more votes or so), AC for MacOS had ~55
> votes, and it trailed off from there. Stuff I know we really have/need
> to do has a few votes, if you need a point of reference! AGR is quite
> popular. Go Ali!! :-)
>
> Of course, desire and interest are one thing; rubber meeting the road is
> another. I know that several have pointed out that interest in the form
> of contributed code and actual involvement is the *sincerest* form of
> voting for a project... so all you lurkers out there who want this
> consider contributing in even more substantial ways! (Hmmmm, reading
> this, I realize you might get the wrong idea. Please don't send me
> money! I'd just have to send it back! :-) )
>
> So... yes, it "appears" to be stagnate, but that is far from the truth.
> AGR is still very much the "hot seat" as far as TPTP is concerned!
>
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