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Where did LDT Group go? [message #67621] Thu, 28 July 2005 21:05 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: mark_melvin.amis.com

Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?

M.
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #67637 is a reply to message #67621] Thu, 28 July 2005 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bjorn Freeman-Benson is currently offline Bjorn Freeman-Benson
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The LDT proposal was withdrawn
(http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
newsgroup was removed.

> Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #67656 is a reply to message #67637] Fri, 29 July 2005 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scott Kellicker is currently offline Scott Kellicker
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Any details as to why the proposal was withdrawn? Was it a technical or
business decision? Is there any analysis of the work of this project to
date? To those of us interested in supporting various languages with
Eclipse, that would be good information.

Scott Kellicker

"Bjorn Freeman-Benson" <bjorn.freeman-benson@eclipse.org> wrote in message
news:dcbo3q$7cr$1@news.eclipse.org...
> The LDT proposal was withdrawn
> (http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
> newsgroup was removed.
>
>> Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #67677 is a reply to message #67637] Fri, 29 July 2005 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: jeff.duska_removethis.noaa.gov

Bjorn Freeman-Benson wrote:
> The LDT proposal was withdrawn
> (http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
> newsgroup was removed.
>
>> Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?

Are there any plans for something to replace this project or for it to
be resubmitted? I was surprised to see this withdrawn after BEA made
such an impressive presentation at EclipseCon, see
http://www.eclipsecon.org/2005/presentations/EclipseCon2005_ 14.4EnhancingLanguageSupport.pdf

Jeff
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #67698 is a reply to message #67656] Fri, 29 July 2005 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: bob.objfac.com

Just before the LDT newsgroup vanished, BEA posted an announcement.
Essentially it said that most of the goals of the project (at least,
BEA's goals) were going to be satisfied by other projects.

I replied with the same question: How about retargeting the project
toward some of the more interesting ideas that came up in the newsgroup,
like Chris Laffra's idea of wizard-generated editor plug-ins, that went
by the wayside?

Then the newsgroup vanished. ;-}

I guess to go any further someone will have to make a new proposal to
the board.

Bob

PS Cross-posting sucks. I removed eclipse.foundation from this reply.

Scott Kellicker wrote:
> Any details as to why the proposal was withdrawn? Was it a technical or
> business decision? Is there any analysis of the work of this project to
> date? To those of us interested in supporting various languages with
> Eclipse, that would be good information.
>
> Scott Kellicker
>
> "Bjorn Freeman-Benson" <bjorn.freeman-benson@eclipse.org> wrote in message
> news:dcbo3q$7cr$1@news.eclipse.org...
>
>>The LDT proposal was withdrawn
>>(http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
>>newsgroup was removed.
>>
>>
>>>Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?
>
>
>
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #67718 is a reply to message #67677] Fri, 29 July 2005 18:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joshua Benuck is currently offline Joshua Benuck
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Junior Member
Jeff Duska wrote:
> Bjorn Freeman-Benson wrote:
>
>> The LDT proposal was withdrawn
>> (http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
>> newsgroup was removed.
>>
>>> Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?
>
>
> Are there any plans for something to replace this project or for it to
> be resubmitted? I was surprised to see this withdrawn after BEA made
> such an impressive presentation at EclipseCon, see
> http://www.eclipsecon.org/2005/presentations/EclipseCon2005_ 14.4EnhancingLanguageSupport.pdf
>
>
> Jeff

The LDT newsgroup was archived. I found this post which describes why
BEA decided to withdraw the proposal. I hope this helps.

http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.technology.ldt /msg00089.html

-Joshua.
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #67738 is a reply to message #67698] Fri, 29 July 2005 18:56 Go to previous message
Bjorn Freeman-Benson is currently offline Bjorn Freeman-Benson
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> I replied with the same question: How about retargeting the project
> toward some of the more interesting ideas that came up in the newsgroup,
> like Chris Laffra's idea of wizard-generated editor plug-ins, that went
> by the wayside?

I would love to see a group of people work around the topic of enabling
better add-a-new-language support in Eclipse. But it takes a leader to
make that happen, so we're currently waiting for a leader to step up and
say "yes, I'd like to spend a bit of my time coordinating the
conversations and seeing where we could go". There are many people on
the "interested observer and commenter" fence around this topic, but we
have yet to find someone who has the time, the will, and the technical
savvy to lead the project to success.

We could open a newsgroup for language conversations, but we all have to
be aware that it's just going to be a cocktail party conversation
without a leader...

Any ideas?
Bjorn
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #598883 is a reply to message #67621] Thu, 28 July 2005 23:01 Go to previous message
Bjorn Freeman-Benson is currently offline Bjorn Freeman-Benson
Messages: 335
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
The LDT proposal was withdrawn
(http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
newsgroup was removed.

> Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #598890 is a reply to message #67637] Fri, 29 July 2005 13:23 Go to previous message
Scott Kellicker is currently offline Scott Kellicker
Messages: 8
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Any details as to why the proposal was withdrawn? Was it a technical or
business decision? Is there any analysis of the work of this project to
date? To those of us interested in supporting various languages with
Eclipse, that would be good information.

Scott Kellicker

"Bjorn Freeman-Benson" <bjorn.freeman-benson@eclipse.org> wrote in message
news:dcbo3q$7cr$1@news.eclipse.org...
> The LDT proposal was withdrawn
> (http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
> newsgroup was removed.
>
>> Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #598896 is a reply to message #67637] Fri, 29 July 2005 15:59 Go to previous message
Jeff Duska is currently offline Jeff Duska
Messages: 11
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Bjorn Freeman-Benson wrote:
> The LDT proposal was withdrawn
> (http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
> newsgroup was removed.
>
>> Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?

Are there any plans for something to replace this project or for it to
be resubmitted? I was surprised to see this withdrawn after BEA made
such an impressive presentation at EclipseCon, see
http://www.eclipsecon.org/2005/presentations/EclipseCon2005_ 14.4EnhancingLanguageSupport.pdf

Jeff
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #598905 is a reply to message #67656] Fri, 29 July 2005 16:47 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: bob.objfac.com

Just before the LDT newsgroup vanished, BEA posted an announcement.
Essentially it said that most of the goals of the project (at least,
BEA's goals) were going to be satisfied by other projects.

I replied with the same question: How about retargeting the project
toward some of the more interesting ideas that came up in the newsgroup,
like Chris Laffra's idea of wizard-generated editor plug-ins, that went
by the wayside?

Then the newsgroup vanished. ;-}

I guess to go any further someone will have to make a new proposal to
the board.

Bob

PS Cross-posting sucks. I removed eclipse.foundation from this reply.

Scott Kellicker wrote:
> Any details as to why the proposal was withdrawn? Was it a technical or
> business decision? Is there any analysis of the work of this project to
> date? To those of us interested in supporting various languages with
> Eclipse, that would be good information.
>
> Scott Kellicker
>
> "Bjorn Freeman-Benson" <bjorn.freeman-benson@eclipse.org> wrote in message
> news:dcbo3q$7cr$1@news.eclipse.org...
>
>>The LDT proposal was withdrawn
>>(http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
>>newsgroup was removed.
>>
>>
>>>Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?
>
>
>
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #598910 is a reply to message #67677] Fri, 29 July 2005 18:41 Go to previous message
Joshua Benuck is currently offline Joshua Benuck
Messages: 5
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Jeff Duska wrote:
> Bjorn Freeman-Benson wrote:
>
>> The LDT proposal was withdrawn
>> (http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-ldt/index.html) and thus the
>> newsgroup was removed.
>>
>>> Does anyone know what happened to the ldt newsgroup?
>
>
> Are there any plans for something to replace this project or for it to
> be resubmitted? I was surprised to see this withdrawn after BEA made
> such an impressive presentation at EclipseCon, see
> http://www.eclipsecon.org/2005/presentations/EclipseCon2005_ 14.4EnhancingLanguageSupport.pdf
>
>
> Jeff

The LDT newsgroup was archived. I found this post which describes why
BEA decided to withdraw the proposal. I hope this helps.

http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.technology.ldt /msg00089.html

-Joshua.
Re: Where did LDT Group go? [message #598916 is a reply to message #67698] Fri, 29 July 2005 18:56 Go to previous message
Bjorn Freeman-Benson is currently offline Bjorn Freeman-Benson
Messages: 335
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
> I replied with the same question: How about retargeting the project
> toward some of the more interesting ideas that came up in the newsgroup,
> like Chris Laffra's idea of wizard-generated editor plug-ins, that went
> by the wayside?

I would love to see a group of people work around the topic of enabling
better add-a-new-language support in Eclipse. But it takes a leader to
make that happen, so we're currently waiting for a leader to step up and
say "yes, I'd like to spend a bit of my time coordinating the
conversations and seeing where we could go". There are many people on
the "interested observer and commenter" fence around this topic, but we
have yet to find someone who has the time, the will, and the technical
savvy to lead the project to success.

We could open a newsgroup for language conversations, but we all have to
be aware that it's just going to be a cocktail party conversation
without a leader...

Any ideas?
Bjorn
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