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Eclipse 4 vs. Eclipse 3.x [message #670914] Mon, 16 May 2011 03:43 Go to next message
Mike Moor is currently offline Mike Moor
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hi,

i'm invited to a meeting where they want to decide if we use eclipse 3.x or eclipse 4 for new projects and if we should migrate the existing 3.x applications (about 30 applications) to eclipse 4.

what is your opinion?

i would prefer eclipse 4 for new projects and leave the existing ones on eclipse 3.x.

what are the main eclipse 4 advantages compared to eclipse 3.x?
why should one use eclipse 4 and not eclipse 3.x?


thanks for your feedback
mike
Re: Eclipse 4 vs. Eclipse 3.x [message #671109 is a reply to message #670914] Mon, 16 May 2011 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas Schindl
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naturally a biased opinion but ...

Am 16.05.11 09:43, schrieb Mike Moor:
> hi,
>
> i'm invited to a meeting where they want to decide if we use
> eclipse 3.x or eclipse 4 for new projects and if we should
> migrate the existing 3.x applications (about 30
> applications) to eclipse 4.
>
> what is your opinion?
>
> i would prefer eclipse 4 for new projects and leave the
> existing ones on eclipse 3.x.
>

the compat layer should allow you to run your applications in 4.x
and togetehr with the forward compat layer you can refactor it step by step.

I plan to write a tutorial soon about and gave a talk about it at
Eclipse Con 2011 [1]. I'll hopefully be able to upload the sources to my
git repo soon.

> what are the main eclipse 4 advantages compared to eclipse
> 3.x?

* the new programming model
* better control over L&F going even so far to replace widgets and even
the widget technology
* the workbench model which gives you complete control of your application

> why should one use eclipse 4 and not eclipse 3.x?
>

.... because it is going to be to main area of innovation in the years to
come.

>
> thanks for your feedback
> mike

Tom

[1] http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2011/03/21/eclipsecon2011-d ay-one-and-im-done/
Re: Eclipse 4 vs. Eclipse 3.x [message #671928 is a reply to message #671109] Thu, 19 May 2011 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Moor is currently offline Mike Moor
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Thanks Tom

It looks like I was successful.
We start our first Eclipse 4 based application project in june.

Since I am the only one who has a little experience with e4 there is an other question:

Do you know an Eclipse 4 training?
Or even better a trainer who would give a german inhouse training in switzerland?

Thanks
Mike
Re: Eclipse 4 vs. Eclipse 3.x [message #671942 is a reply to message #671928] Thu, 19 May 2011 07:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas Schindl
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Am 19.05.11 13:41, schrieb Mike Moor:
> Thanks Tom
>
> It looks like I was successful.
> We start our first Eclipse 4 based application project in june.
>
> Since I am the only one who has a little experience with e4 there is an
> other question:
>
> Do you know an Eclipse 4 training?
> Or even better a trainer who would give a german inhouse training in
> switzerland?

Well I'm Austrian so German is my mother tongue and my company offeres
Services around Eclipse Technologies (RCP, Eclipse 4.x,
EMF(-Databinding), Nebula, to name some) from Inhouse Trainings,
Consulting, Payed Coding (e.g. extension of Nebula-Widgets)... ;-)

Just send a mail to tom.schindl@bestsolution.at so that we can discuss
this in more detail.

Tom
Re: Eclipse 4 vs. Eclipse 3.x [message #808837 is a reply to message #671928] Tue, 28 February 2012 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lars Vogel is currently offline Lars Vogel
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Just for information, my 5 days Eclipse training is now completely based on Eclipse 4.

Eclipse 4 RCP Training.
Re: Eclipse 4 vs. Eclipse 3.x [message #809083 is a reply to message #808837] Tue, 28 February 2012 08:11 Go to previous message
Paul Webster is currently offline Paul Webster
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I'll just add that even we are in the process of migrating to Eclipse 4 Smile

As part of the Eclipse 4 work, we've only migrated a few services to the Eclipse 4 level. There are still a lot of services used by 3.x RCP apps that live in the 4.2 Workbench (previously called the compatibility layer). Things like Preferences, all the wizards, standard sets of menus and actions, etc, all still live in the 4.2 workbench.

So while I encourage anybody that can use Eclipse 4 to take advantage of it, I wouldn't suggest moving any existing products to Eclipse 4 unless it wasn't consuming a lot of Workbench services *and* it could take advantage of the model or DI technologies.

That's not to say that 3.x RCP apps can't move up to build and run on Eclipse 4.2. With slight modifications they could start taking advantage of the CSS, which has stable API at the SWT level.

PW


PW


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