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CVS Success Stories? [message #65609] Thu, 02 September 2004 18:03 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: commercial.smotricz.com

In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin (Germany),
Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS was
surprisingly easy."

I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to Eclipse)
using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to say,
especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.

My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing great
things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such an
experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."

IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even among
Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also be most
grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial about the
use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed programmers
totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak for/about the
Eclipse project?
Re: CVS Success Stories? [message #65676 is a reply to message #65609] Mon, 06 September 2004 05:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: joerg.von.frantzius.artnology.nospam.com

Carl Smotricz wrote:

> In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin
> (Germany), Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS
> was surprisingly easy."
>
> I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
> project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to
> Eclipse) using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to
> say, especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.
>
> My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing
> great things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such
> an experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."
>
> IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
> himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even
> among Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also
> be most grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial
> about the use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed
> programmers totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak
> for/about the Eclipse project?

Ahm, nearly all Open Source projects use CVS, with big hordes of
programmers working on a single project. Maybe Linux is such an example
of a successful project?
Re: CVS Success Stories? [message #65695 is a reply to message #65676] Mon, 06 September 2004 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: commercial.smotricz.com

Joerg von Frantzius wrote:
> Carl Smotricz wrote:
>
>> In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin
>> (Germany), Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS
>> was surprisingly easy."
>>
>> I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
>> project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to
>> Eclipse) using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to
>> say, especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.
>>
>> My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing
>> great things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such
>> an experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."
>>
>> IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
>> himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even
>> among Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also
>> be most grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial
>> about the use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed
>> programmers totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak
>> for/about the Eclipse project?
>
>
> Ahm, nearly all Open Source projects use CVS, with big hordes of
> programmers working on a single project. Maybe Linux is such an example
> of a successful project?

Hmm yes, but there's no leader figure standing up and dishing out
statistics (how many committers? How many daily commits? How many
concurrent commits?), and Linus doesn't have previous experience with a
commercial source control product. Come to think of it, Linux is a
TERRIBLE example because its leader recently decided to switch AWAY from
CVS to a commercial product.

In any case, I'm not sure even Erich could get through the obstacles I'm
up against. -sigh-

Thanx anyway!
Re: CVS Success Stories? [message #65717 is a reply to message #65695] Mon, 13 September 2004 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sudarshan Raghavan is currently offline Sudarshan Raghavan
Messages: 7
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Carl,

Try to find out if your organization/team is using CC + UCM because of
process,
traceablility and auditing requirements. If that is the case, you are going
to have a
tough time convincing your management to switch to CVS. Though the CVS
plugin
for Eclipse is good, CVS as a Source Config. Management solution falls flat
on
its face. I know that CC + UCM is a pain, but it is definitely a better SCM
(not
version control) solution than CVS.

As far as I know, Linux uses Bitkeeper and not CVS. Check out other SCM
solutions
that provide an Eclipse plugin and try to strike a balance between cost,
user experience
and the requirements that you have on hand. In all probability, you should
be able to save
your organization a lot of money by switching to another solution :-)

-- Bali

"Carl Smotricz" <commercial@smotricz.com> wrote in message
news:chii5h$e9f$1@eclipse.org...
> Joerg von Frantzius wrote:
>> Carl Smotricz wrote:
>>
>>> In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin (Germany),
>>> Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS was
>>> surprisingly easy."
>>>
>>> I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
>>> project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to Eclipse)
>>> using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to say,
>>> especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.
>>>
>>> My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing great
>>> things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such an
>>> experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."
>>>
>>> IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
>>> himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even among
>>> Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also be most
>>> grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial about the
>>> use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed programmers
>>> totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak for/about the
>>> Eclipse project?
>>
>>
>> Ahm, nearly all Open Source projects use CVS, with big hordes of
>> programmers working on a single project. Maybe Linux is such an example
>> of a successful project?
>
> Hmm yes, but there's no leader figure standing up and dishing out
> statistics (how many committers? How many daily commits? How many
> concurrent commits?), and Linus doesn't have previous experience with a
> commercial source control product. Come to think of it, Linux is a
> TERRIBLE example because its leader recently decided to switch AWAY from
> CVS to a commercial product.
>
> In any case, I'm not sure even Erich could get through the obstacles I'm
> up against. -sigh-
>
> Thanx anyway!
Re: CVS Success Stories? [message #65781 is a reply to message #65609] Wed, 22 September 2004 08:53 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: krayspam.arcor.de

Actually CVS Sucks. Subversion blows it away.

-- Robert

"Carl Smotricz" <commercial@smotricz.com> wrote in message
news:ch8528$a8k$1@eclipse.org...
> In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin (Germany),
> Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS was
> surprisingly easy."
>
> I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
> project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to Eclipse)
> using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to say,
> especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.
>
> My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing great
> things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such an
> experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."
>
> IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
> himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even among
> Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also be most
> grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial about the
> use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed programmers
> totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak for/about the Eclipse
> project?
Re: CVS Success Stories? [message #598057 is a reply to message #65609] Mon, 06 September 2004 05:39 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: joerg.von.frantzius.artnology.nospam.com

Carl Smotricz wrote:

> In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin
> (Germany), Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS
> was surprisingly easy."
>
> I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
> project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to
> Eclipse) using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to
> say, especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.
>
> My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing
> great things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such
> an experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."
>
> IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
> himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even
> among Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also
> be most grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial
> about the use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed
> programmers totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak
> for/about the Eclipse project?

Ahm, nearly all Open Source projects use CVS, with big hordes of
programmers working on a single project. Maybe Linux is such an example
of a successful project?
Re: CVS Success Stories? [message #598060 is a reply to message #65676] Mon, 06 September 2004 16:49 Go to previous message
Carl Smotricz is currently offline Carl Smotricz
Messages: 2
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Joerg von Frantzius wrote:
> Carl Smotricz wrote:
>
>> In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin
>> (Germany), Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS
>> was surprisingly easy."
>>
>> I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
>> project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to
>> Eclipse) using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to
>> say, especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.
>>
>> My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing
>> great things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such
>> an experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."
>>
>> IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
>> himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even
>> among Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also
>> be most grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial
>> about the use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed
>> programmers totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak
>> for/about the Eclipse project?
>
>
> Ahm, nearly all Open Source projects use CVS, with big hordes of
> programmers working on a single project. Maybe Linux is such an example
> of a successful project?

Hmm yes, but there's no leader figure standing up and dishing out
statistics (how many committers? How many daily commits? How many
concurrent commits?), and Linus doesn't have previous experience with a
commercial source control product. Come to think of it, Linux is a
TERRIBLE example because its leader recently decided to switch AWAY from
CVS to a commercial product.

In any case, I'm not sure even Erich could get through the obstacles I'm
up against. -sigh-

Thanx anyway!
Re: CVS Success Stories? [message #598066 is a reply to message #65695] Mon, 13 September 2004 17:04 Go to previous message
Sudarshan Raghavan is currently offline Sudarshan Raghavan
Messages: 7
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Carl,

Try to find out if your organization/team is using CC + UCM because of
process,
traceablility and auditing requirements. If that is the case, you are going
to have a
tough time convincing your management to switch to CVS. Though the CVS
plugin
for Eclipse is good, CVS as a Source Config. Management solution falls flat
on
its face. I know that CC + UCM is a pain, but it is definitely a better SCM
(not
version control) solution than CVS.

As far as I know, Linux uses Bitkeeper and not CVS. Check out other SCM
solutions
that provide an Eclipse plugin and try to strike a balance between cost,
user experience
and the requirements that you have on hand. In all probability, you should
be able to save
your organization a lot of money by switching to another solution :-)

-- Bali

"Carl Smotricz" <commercial@smotricz.com> wrote in message
news:chii5h$e9f$1@eclipse.org...
> Joerg von Frantzius wrote:
>> Carl Smotricz wrote:
>>
>>> In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin (Germany),
>>> Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS was
>>> surprisingly easy."
>>>
>>> I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
>>> project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to Eclipse)
>>> using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to say,
>>> especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.
>>>
>>> My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing great
>>> things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such an
>>> experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."
>>>
>>> IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
>>> himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even among
>>> Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also be most
>>> grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial about the
>>> use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed programmers
>>> totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak for/about the
>>> Eclipse project?
>>
>>
>> Ahm, nearly all Open Source projects use CVS, with big hordes of
>> programmers working on a single project. Maybe Linux is such an example
>> of a successful project?
>
> Hmm yes, but there's no leader figure standing up and dishing out
> statistics (how many committers? How many daily commits? How many
> concurrent commits?), and Linus doesn't have previous experience with a
> commercial source control product. Come to think of it, Linux is a
> TERRIBLE example because its leader recently decided to switch AWAY from
> CVS to a commercial product.
>
> In any case, I'm not sure even Erich could get through the obstacles I'm
> up against. -sigh-
>
> Thanx anyway!
Re: CVS Success Stories? [message #598086 is a reply to message #65609] Wed, 22 September 2004 08:53 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: krayspam.arcor.de

Actually CVS Sucks. Subversion blows it away.

-- Robert

"Carl Smotricz" <commercial@smotricz.com> wrote in message
news:ch8528$a8k$1@eclipse.org...
> In a recent interview in the Eclipse Special of Java Magazin (Germany),
> Erich Gamma mentioned something like "the conversion to CVS was
> surprisingly easy."
>
> I'm embroiled in a heated discussion with the leadership of my current
> project, being developed in XDE (Rational Rose duct-taped on to Eclipse)
> using ClearCase + UCM for source code management. Needless to say,
> especially ClearCase gives us pains every day.
>
> My project lead says: "I don't hear any stories about people doing great
> things successfully with CVS. Get someone to tell me about such an
> experience, and I'd consider thinking it over."
>
> IDEALLY, I'd love to get a quotable but more detailed quote from Erich
> himself; the leader of the Gang of Four enjoys great respect even among
> Heavy Methodologists. Would bribery work on him? :) But I'd also be most
> grateful to anyone else able to give me a positive testimonial about the
> use of CVS, especially in a Java project with distributed programmers
> totalling more than 10 people. Can anyone here speak for/about the Eclipse
> project?
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