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[Skalli] Frontend Technologies [message #649099] Mon, 17 January 2011 16:19 Go to next message
Holger Staudacher is currently offline Holger Staudacher
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Hi Skalli Team,
I read your proposal and have to say it looks good. The only thing that
confuses me is the choice of the frontend technology ;)

As you may know I'm in the RAP team. So, it feels natural to me to use
an Eclipse Technology (RAP) as a frontend Technology for an Eclipse
Technology (Skalli). RAP is pretty stable in the meanwhile. So, maybe
you are open to make some plans about using RAP?

Regards Holger


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Re: [Skalli] Frontend Technologies [message #649319 is a reply to message #649099] Tue, 18 January 2011 18:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Simon Kaufmann is currently offline Simon Kaufmann
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Hi Holger,

thanks for your feedback. Although we started with the UI technologies given, the final discussion indeed is not yet made. We are planning to re-evaluate this within the next months, as we found that Vaadin is not always the perfect match for our use cases. Our challenge is that we need both: really fast, simple, low-footprint rendering on one hand, and easy to use, feature rich fancy widgets for some pages on the other hand. It might be possible that we'll have to continue following a dual strategy, but maybe we find a better way.

I have to admit that it's quite some time ago since I last had a look into RAP, so there indeed are really good chances that things have changed since then. So I absolutely agree that RAP being an Eclipse project makes it a really good candidate and we will include it in our considerations. However, I would rather fancy having an open discussion on that topic before actually commiting to a technology. It's good to know that you would be interested in that and I hope we can count on you once we need a RAP expert when looking into it and building a small prototype.

Regards,
Simon
Re: [Skalli] Frontend Technologies [message #649428 is a reply to message #649319] Wed, 19 January 2011 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Holger Staudacher is currently offline Holger Staudacher
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Hi Simon,
I would be very interested in pushing RAP as a frontend technology for
Skalli. If you want we can meet (remote or real in Waldorf/Karlsruhe
(?)) and I can show you some things about RAP. So, please add me as an
interested party.

I have added some comments below.

Regards Holger

On 2011-01-18 19:02:09 +0100, Simon Kaufmann <simon.kfm@googlemail.com> said:

> Hi Holger,
>
> thanks for your feedback. Although we started with the UI technologies
> given, the final discussion indeed is not yet made. We are planning to
> re-evaluate this within the next months, as we found that Vaadin is not
> always the perfect match for our use cases. Our challenge is that we
> need both: really fast, simple, low-footprint rendering on one hand,
> and easy to use, feature rich fancy widgets for some pages on the other
> hand.

Thats exactly where we are now. Regarding the footprint I would suggest
that you will make yourself an opinion. Go to
http://rap.eclipsesource.com and watch it via Firebug. You wil see that
only about 290KB will send over to the client until the Workbench has
fuly started. And the cool thing about this is, that if RAP is once
loaded, all Widgets are on the client. So creating, deleting and
controling widgets are realy cheap and fast operations ;)

> It might be possible that we'll have to continue following a dual
> strategy, but maybe we find a better way.
>
> I have to admit that it's quite some time ago since I last had a look
> into RAP, so there indeed are really good chances that things have
> changed since then. So I absolutely agree that RAP being an Eclipse
> project makes it a really good candidate and we will include it in our
> considerations. However, I would rather fancy having an open discussion
> on that topic before actually commiting to a technology. It's good to
> know that you would be interested in that and I hope we can count on
> you once we need a RAP expert when looking into it and building a small
> prototype.

I would be glad to guide you through problems if they may occur.

>
> Regards,
> Simon


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Re: [Skalli] Frontend Technologies [message #649443 is a reply to message #649319] Wed, 19 January 2011 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Holger Staudacher is currently offline Holger Staudacher
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JFYI: The RAP Widget Toolkit (the toolkit with the SWT API) can be used
standalone. So, you are not coupled to the workbench. You will find
more information about this here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/RAP/FAQ#How_do_I_use_a_RWT_standalon e_application_in_Tomcat

Regards

Holger



On 2011-01-18 19:02:09 +0100, Simon Kaufmann <simon.kfm@googlemail.com> said:

> Hi Holger,
>
> thanks for your feedback. Although we started with the UI technologies
> given, the final discussion indeed is not yet made. We are planning to
> re-evaluate this within the next months, as we found that Vaadin is not
> always the perfect match for our use cases. Our challenge is that we
> need both: really fast, simple, low-footprint rendering on one hand,
> and easy to use, feature rich fancy widgets for some pages on the other
> hand. It might be possible that we'll have to continue following a dual
> strategy, but maybe we find a better way.
>
> I have to admit that it's quite some time ago since I last had a look
> into RAP, so there indeed are really good chances that things have
> changed since then. So I absolutely agree that RAP being an Eclipse
> project makes it a really good candidate and we will include it in our
> considerations. However, I would rather fancy having an open discussion
> on that topic before actually commiting to a technology. It's good to
> know that you would be interested in that and I hope we can count on
> you once we need a RAP expert when looking into it and building a small
> prototype.
>
> Regards,
> Simon


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[Skalli] Frontend Technologies [message #652818 is a reply to message #649099] Mon, 07 February 2011 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sopot Cela is currently offline Sopot Cela
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Hi,

I am interested in a project and I would like to contribute to it. I have experience with the vaadin framework and would like to share it. I would like to get involved in the project.

Thank you.
Re: [Skalli] Frontend Technologies [message #652919 is a reply to message #652818] Mon, 07 February 2011 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Simon Kaufmann is currently offline Simon Kaufmann
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Great to hear that, I'm looking forward to have you as a contributor!
Re: [Skalli] Frontend Technologies [message #652921 is a reply to message #649428] Mon, 07 February 2011 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Simon Kaufmann is currently offline Simon Kaufmann
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Registered: January 2011
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Hi Holger,
sure, I've added you.
Having a meeting sounds good. We'll first try to get a little hands-on experience ourselves, and then I'd propose to have a little hacking/workshop so we can get into details.
I'll get back on this once the proposal is through.
Best regards,
Simon
Re: [Skalli] Frontend Technologies [message #653306 is a reply to message #652919] Wed, 09 February 2011 09:55 Go to previous message
Sopot Cela is currently offline Sopot Cela
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Thanks for the add.

Good luck on the creation review Smile
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