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Why Not Easy! [message #646493] Sat, 25 December 2010 14:50 Go to next message
Ahmed Metwally is currently offline Ahmed MetwallyFriend
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I'm a C# programmer.
I'm developing software since 2005
the first time I use Visual Studio it really was not difficult
in a few minutes I was able to create a new project and write some code and run it.

Now I decided to programming using open source products,
Using C++.
And this is the fifth, or sixth, attempt to using eclipse C++
and in every attempt I abandon him because I can't run my code!!
and I have to read a hundreds pages of documentation to know how this IDE is working.

Maybe my experience in Visual Studio is the main factor to feel that Eclipse is too complicated,
but despite that, Why Eclipse is not as easy as Visual Studio ??
Why I have to make configurations for any regular step?
If I want to include I have to specify the location of include folder
if I want to build I have to specify Builder
if I want to Run until now I don't know what exactly I have to specify it.

As I know there is 80 companies which participates in Eclipse development.
and Visual Studio have just one company to develop it.
so It make sense that Eclipse have to be better than any IDE in the world.
but this better IDE also have to be the easiest one, not just better.
Re: Why Not Easy! [message #646500 is a reply to message #646493] Sat, 25 December 2010 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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Ahmed,

Comments below.

Ahmed Metwally wrote:
> I'm a C# programmer.
> I'm developing software since 2005
> the first time I use Visual Studio it really was not difficult
> in a few minutes I was able to create a new project and write some
> code and run it.
That's my general experience with Eclipse and Java too.
>
> Now I decided to programming using open source products,
> Using C++.
Not the simplest language...
> And this is the fifth, or sixth, attempt to using eclipse C++
> and in every attempt I abandon him because I can't run my code!!
You'd be better of asking about it on the CDT newsgroup/forum.
> and I have to read a hundreds pages of documentation to know how this
> IDE is working.
That's quite a few pages. Doesn't CDT have a nice beginners tutorial?
>
> Maybe my experience in Visual Studio is the main factor to feel that
> Eclipse is too complicated,
> but despite that, Why Eclipse is not as easy as Visual Studio ??
Often it comes down to the number of dollars spent making it easy and
often that's related to the number of dollar of profit one gets
producing it.
> Why I have to make configurations for any regular step?
I suppose this is a comment specific to CDT so not much point asking
about it in the platform forum.
> If I want to include I have to specify the location of include folder
I don't suppose you expect the tools to search the whole file system...
> if I want to build I have to specify Builder
With JDT, things just build, so again, this must be a CDT issue not a
general Eclipse one...
> if I want to Run until now I don't know what exactly I have to specify
> it.
No doubt the location of the binaries that the compiler produced. With
JDT you just say run and it just knows the right thing to do...
>
> As I know there is 80 companies which participates in Eclipse
> development.
> and Visual Studio have just one company to develop it.
Sometimes a single entity is more capable of creating a cohesive whole
than can a committee or an army...
> so It make sense that Eclipse have to be better than any IDE in the
> world.
It's pretty darned awesome.
> but this better IDE also have to be the easiest one, not just better.
If it's not, people will just go elsewhere, so I guess the question to
you is, where will you go for your awesome (and free?) C++ IDE?
Re: Why Not Easy! [message #646510 is a reply to message #646493] Sat, 25 December 2010 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ahmed Metwally is currently offline Ahmed MetwallyFriend
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Registered: December 2010
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Quote:
so I guess the question to
you is, where will you go for your awesome (and free?) C++ IDE?

This time, I will not leave him.
I will search about all necessary configurations and external tools to debug and build C++ projects.

Quote:
I suppose this is a comment specific to CDT so not much point asking
about it in the platform forum.

Never mind, I thought I can say it here.

Quote:
With JDT, things just build

Yes, I try it with Java. It's need nothing to build your project
just run it.
why things not just build in CDT.
OK, I'll ask CDT guys for that Smile

Re: Why Not Easy! [message #646565 is a reply to message #646493] Mon, 27 December 2010 11:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently online Thomas SchindlFriend
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Did you try Wascana. It is made especially for Win32 users.
http://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/wascana/

Tom

Am 25.12.10 15:50, schrieb Ahmed Metwally:
> I'm a C# programmer.
> I'm developing software since 2005
> the first time I use Visual Studio it really was not difficult
> in a few minutes I was able to create a new project and write some code
> and run it.
>
> Now I decided to programming using open source products,
> Using C++.
> And this is the fifth, or sixth, attempt to using eclipse C++
> and in every attempt I abandon him because I can't run my code!!
> and I have to read a hundreds pages of documentation to know how this
> IDE is working.
>
> Maybe my experience in Visual Studio is the main factor to feel that
> Eclipse is too complicated,
> but despite that, Why Eclipse is not as easy as Visual Studio ??
> Why I have to make configurations for any regular step?
> If I want to include I have to specify the location of include folder
> if I want to build I have to specify Builder
> if I want to Run until now I don't know what exactly I have to specify it.
>
> As I know there is 80 companies which participates in Eclipse development.
> and Visual Studio have just one company to develop it.
> so It make sense that Eclipse have to be better than any IDE in the world.
> but this better IDE also have to be the easiest one, not just better.
>
Re: Why Not Easy! [message #646580 is a reply to message #646493] Tue, 28 December 2010 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ahmed Metwally is currently offline Ahmed MetwallyFriend
Messages: 8
Registered: December 2010
Junior Member
Quote:
Did you try Wascana. It is made especially for Win32 users.

Yes, I try it and I think it's work fine.
but I intend to work under Linux.
it's a big move from Microsoft world to Open Word.
Re: Why Not Easy! [please forgive OOT comments] [message #646873 is a reply to message #646500] Sat, 01 January 2011 20:57 Go to previous message
Hendy Irawan is currently offline Hendy IrawanFriend
Messages: 58
Registered: July 2009
Location: Bandung, Indonesia
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Ed Merks wrote:

> Ahmed,
>
> Comments below.
>> Why I have to make configurations for any regular step?
> I suppose this is a comment specific to CDT so not much point asking
> about it in the platform forum.
>> If I want to include I have to specify the location of include folder
> I don't suppose you expect the tools to search the whole file system...
>> if I want to build I have to specify Builder
> With JDT, things just build, so again, this must be a CDT issue not a
> general Eclipse one...

Wow... you're very patient Ed. I guess you're feeling happy today :)

>> if I want to Run until now I don't know what exactly I have to specify
>> it.
> No doubt the location of the binaries that the compiler produced. With
> JDT you just say run and it just knows the right thing to do...

Hail JDT! :)

PDE still doesn't allow me to Export-Package META-INF/whatever due to
"invalid package name". Who is PDE to dictate what I can and can't do??!
The OSGi runtime/specs sure don't complain... (is there a bugzilla for this?
or should I file?)

>> As I know there is 80 companies which participates in Eclipse
>> development.
>> and Visual Studio have just one company to develop it.
> Sometimes a single entity is more capable of creating a cohesive whole
> than can a committee or an army...

It's probably related to who gets the responsibility of producing vs. the
ones who get the "responsibility" to consume ;)

>> so It make sense that Eclipse have to be better than any IDE in the
>> world.
> It's pretty darned awesome.
Indeed it is.


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