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Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #605988] Thu, 12 August 2010 09:50 Go to next message
James Gadbury is currently offline James Gadbury
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Registered: August 2010
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Hi all,

I've been looking at open-source and commercial UML tools. An open-source Eclipse plugin for Helios would be the ideal.

I read somewhere during my research trawling the web that Papyrus has merged with Topcased. I also read that development of MDT UML2 for Helios (which is required by Acceleo which in turn is required by Topcased) has slowed or stopped. I have had trouble installing Topcased 4.0.0 and now www.topcased.org is down. I must say I'm confused with the situation!

Is MDT Papyrus still alive?
Is MDT Papyrus part of UML2?
Is / should MDT Papyrus be part of Helios? On the Eclipse Helios projects page (here: http://www.eclipse.org/helios/projects.php), MDT UML2 is listed as a project but does not seem to be installed when I browse my Helios installation.
How is MDT Papyrus related to Topcased?

Thanks for your time. Kind regards,

James
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #605996 is a reply to message #605988] Fri, 13 August 2010 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Raphael Faudou is currently offline Raphael Faudou
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Registered: July 2009
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Hi James,

here are below a few answers to try to remove confusion.


Le 12/08/2010 11:50, James Gadbury a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> I've been looking at open-source and commercial UML tools. An
> open-source Eclipse plugin for Helios would be the ideal.
>
> I read somewhere during my research trawling the web that Papyrus has
> merged with Topcased.
Yes. More precisley, the MDT Papyrus component was born on several
initiatives and mainly from Papyrus 1 (papyrus.org) and TOPCASED UML
(topcased.org).
Papyrus 1 is no more supported by the CEA as all efforts are put on
Eclipse MDT Papyrus.
TOPCASED UML is maintained but does not evolve as it will be replaced in
a few months by MDT Papyrus.

I also read that development of MDT UML2 for
> Helios (which is required by Acceleo which in turn is required by
> Topcased) has slowed or stopped.
MDT UML2 is the reference Eclipse implementation of OMG UML
specification. I have not heard about stopping this initiative. But as
UML2 is part of Helios release train, much effort has been put to
deliver a release integrated to helios. Now that Helios has been
delivered it is not suprising that the development ryhthm slows a little
bit before developing new features.

I have had trouble installing Topcased
Did you mention your troubles on TOPCASED user mailing list?
consider posting on topcased-users@lists.gforge.enseeiht.fr


> 4.0.0 and now www.topcased.org is down.
It is back (server issue with disk space lacking).

I must say I'm confused with the
> situation!
>
> Is MDT Papyrus still alive?
Yes, sure and the 0.7.0 has just been released last 14th of july. You
can download it and test it.

> Is MDT Papyrus part of UML2?
No, Eclipse MDT Papyrus and Eclipse MDT UML2 are two different
components of the Eclipse MDT project. MDT Papyrus relies on MDT UML2 as
MDT UML2 provides the UML2 model and Papyrus provides the graphical
representation of UML model and associated profiles.

> Is / should MDT Papyrus be part of Helios?
MDT Papyrus could not join the Helios release train (the list of all
integrated Eclipse components that belong to the Helios distribution) as
it was not advanved enough to reach all conditions required by the
Helios train. So it is not part of Helios release train but it can be
downloaded through the modeling discovery of Helios.
We expect MDT Papyrus to join the Eclipse release train for next major
release (june 2011).

On the Eclipse Helios
> projects page (here: http://www.eclipse.org/helios/projects.php), MDT
> UML2 is listed as a project but does not seem to be installed when I
> browse my Helios installation.
Well, this is a question for Eclipse UML2 forum. But I'm quite sure that
UML2 is installed.

> How is MDT Papyrus related to Topcased?
MDT Papyrus targets model-based graphical editors including UML editor
and SysML editor, and provides SDK to create any editor based on EMF
metamodel or on UML profile.
TOPCASED is a complete modeling platform that contains graphical
model-based editors. The TOPCASED UML and SysML editors will be replaced
by MDT papyrus UML and SysML editors in a few months (probably on the
very beginning of 2011).

>
> Thanks for your time.
no problem, with pleasure.
Kind regards,
kind regards
raphaël (TOPCASED team and MDT Papyrus team)

>
> James
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #606015 is a reply to message #605988] Mon, 16 August 2010 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Gadbury is currently offline James Gadbury
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Thank you Raphaël and Edward. All is much more clear now. Hopefully the questions and answers will help others that may also have been confused with the situation.

Kind regards,

James
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #607423 is a reply to message #605988] Mon, 06 September 2010 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Niklas is currently offline Niklas
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Registered: September 2010
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Hi,

Is there a schedule for when 0.7.1 is due for release?

Thanks,

Niklas
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #631885 is a reply to message #605996] Sun, 10 October 2010 02:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Christian Schroeder is currently offline Christian Schroeder
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Registered: October 2010
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Hello Raphael,

Thank you very much for the enlightening clarification.
I would like to ask for some more details about the relation of papyrus and TOPCASED or what ambition papyrus has.

You say that Papyrus is a framework for graphical editors and that TOPCASED is a modeling platform.

Quote:
> How is MDT Papyrus related to Topcased?
MDT Papyrus targets model-based graphical editors including UML editor
and SysML editor, and provides SDK to create any editor based on EMF
metamodel or on UML profile.
TOPCASED is a complete modeling platform that contains graphical
model-based editors. The TOPCASED UML and SysML editors will be replaced
by MDT papyrus UML and SysML editors in a few months (probably on the
very beginning of 2011).


From the presentations that you provide on the project's eclipse web-page I got the impression that it is your intention to implement papyrus in a way that it can integrate with other tools that are (imho) required for a complete platform (e.g. requirements management, testing). I assume that TOPCASED already has these other components integrated, in order to provide a platform for embedded system modeling.

Is TOPCASED moving some of it's the other components into the eclipse community too? In case yes, will that also be part of papyrus, or will it be another eclipse project?

Kind regards,
Christian
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #631910 is a reply to message #631885] Sun, 10 October 2010 13:27 Go to previous message
Raphael Faudou is currently offline Raphael Faudou
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Hello Christian,

Very good questions. My comments and answers below.

Le 10/10/2010 04:13, Christian Schroeder a écrit :
> Hello Raphael,
>
> Thank you very much for the enlightening clarification.
> I would like to ask for some more details about the relation of papyrus
> and TOPCASED or what ambition papyrus has.
>
> You say that Papyrus is a framework for graphical editors and that
> TOPCASED is a modeling platfor
>
> Quote:
>> > How is MDT Papyrus related to Topcased?
>> MDT Papyrus targets model-based graphical editors including UML editor
>> and SysML editor, and provides SDK to create any editor based on EMF
>> metamodel or on UML profile.
>> TOPCASED is a complete modeling platform that contains graphical
>> model-based editors. The TOPCASED UML and SysML editors will be
>> replaced by MDT papyrus UML and SysML editors in a few months
>> (probably on the very beginning of 2011).
>
>
> From the presentations that you provide on the project's eclipse
> web-page I got the impression that it is your intention to implement
> papyrus in a way that it can integrate with other tools that are (imho)
> required for a complete platform (e.g. requirements management,
> testing).
This is already the case with an integration of Papyrus SysML editor
into the next SCADE (esterel technologies) platform release.
And it is going to be the case for TOPCASED platform in a few months.

I assume that TOPCASED already has these other components
> integrated, in order to provide a platform for embedded system modeling.
Yes, that is true.
>
> Is TOPCASED moving some of it's the other components into the eclipse
> community too?
Yes, this is the idea for the most general components.
For instance, ECore Tools is an old contribution of TOPCASED and more
recently doc2Model has been contributed and refactored to Eclipse
modeling. This schema should continue it it makes sense. We should
contribute TOPCASED gendoc2 in a few months and perhaps TOPCASED
requirement.
In case yes, will that also be part of papyrus, or will
> it be another eclipse project?
That is another very good question.
Gendoc2 will probably be put in MDT papyrus before the end of december
so that it can be used with papyrus editors but it will be stored in
"third parties" as it does not match the goals of Papyrus. This is the
first step. Next step will be to find the appropriate place for such a
component (MDT?) and create a proposal for it we find some support from
the Eclipse community for such a component.
Kind regards
raphaël
>
> Kind regards,
> Christian
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