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Eclipse VM [message #5458] Tue, 19 October 2004 16:27 Go to next message
Radu is currently offline Radu
Messages: 44
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi everyone,
Lately I was wondering about the future of the Eclipse platform,
community and consortium with regards to its foundation, Java the
language and the platform. I must admit I'm one of those who are really
disappointed on how Sun manages the whole Java development; still give
them some credit but is all about the future of this platform (Java) and
thats whats bothering me.

Now back to Eclipse, I think that we are in the position in which we
should seriously consider on securing the future of this wonderful
platform and community.
Securing and controlling directly the foundation of the Eclipse platform
is, in my opinion, the most strategic aspect that has to be taken in
account by the whole Eclipse community and Consortium. Not long ago, IBM
the founder and one of the most influent consortium member expressed the
willing to initiate an effort that should create an open source Java
Platform.
Open source is the key word that represents the crucial way on which
Eclipse is build.

We have great efforts already taken place such as GNU Classpath and GNU
GCJ, both have some astonishing progress in implementing a free and
compatible class library and compiler for Java. Others like Kaffe have
progressed very well also. Another important project is SwingWT, an
effort to implement Swing API on top of SWT peers.

What Eclipse should do?
I think that it has to create and found a team dedicated on working on
securing it's foundation. Ideally we should start by creating a project
and proposal that will formalize this work and then evaluate the options
available already, I'm referring to GNU Classpath as it is already the
foundation for many open source JVMs.

GNU Classpath needs the support that Eclipse could give to it and
Eclipse should have the strategic foundation secured. As many relatively
small OS projects it needs the marketing muscle and the resources (as in
monetary and human) that commercial partners can offer to evolve.

On the same lines, we need to consider the other side of the Sun :) ,
meaning Swing is and will be one of the most used Java UI API around,
for a while ;) . We need to offer to developers an easy way to integrate
their existing UI code on Eclipse, other that using artificial bridges
between SWT and Swing. SwingWT should be put as top priority on the list
as an alernative integration hub. It has a good start in that its
already implementing a good portion of Swing and AWT APIs on top of SWT.

I'm really hopping that at least some of the things I've talked about
are,will be considered and that IBM(as is the one who triggered this
whole debate about OS Java), will invest in this strategic aspect.

Waiting your opinions...
Best Regards,
Radu
Re: Eclipse VM [message #6472 is a reply to message #5458] Thu, 11 November 2004 03:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Radu Racariu wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Lately I was wondering about the future of the Eclipse platform,
> community and consortium with regards to its foundation, Java the
> language and the platform. I must admit I'm one of those who are really
> disappointed on how Sun manages the whole Java development; still give
> them some credit but is all about the future of this platform (Java) and
> thats whats bothering me.
[...]
> I'm really hopping that at least some of the things I've talked about
> are,will be considered and that IBM(as is the one who triggered this
> whole debate about OS Java), will invest in this strategic aspect.
>
> Waiting your opinions...

this links should be interesting to you:

http://www.coconut-palm-software.com/the_visual_editor/2004/ 10/30

http://www.coconut-palm-software.com/the_visual_editor/eclip se_rcp/native_compilation.comments

> Best Regards,
> Radu

..

--
http://lazaridis.com
Re: Eclipse VM [message #6852 is a reply to message #6472] Thu, 11 November 2004 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Radu is currently offline Radu
Messages: 44
Registered: July 2009
Member
Thanks,
Already checked that:) as you can see from my comment (about GCJ Builder).
By the way you should check it out http://gcjbuilder.sourceforge.net.
This is my small contribution for the community.
Anyhow I guess no official comments ca be made for the issues I've
raised before, maybe facts will tell more.

regards,
Radu

ilias wrote:
> Radu Racariu wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Lately I was wondering about the future of the Eclipse platform,
>> community and consortium with regards to its foundation, Java the
>> language and the platform. I must admit I'm one of those who are really
>> disappointed on how Sun manages the whole Java development; still give
>> them some credit but is all about the future of this platform (Java) and
>> thats whats bothering me.
>
> [...]
>
>> I'm really hopping that at least some of the things I've talked about
>> are,will be considered and that IBM(as is the one who triggered this
>> whole debate about OS Java), will invest in this strategic aspect.
>>
>> Waiting your opinions...
>
>
> this links should be interesting to you:
>
> http://www.coconut-palm-software.com/the_visual_editor/2004/ 10/30
>
> http://www.coconut-palm-software.com/the_visual_editor/eclip se_rcp/native_compilation.comments
>
>
>> Best Regards,
>> Radu
>
>
> .
>
Re: Eclipse VM [message #6902 is a reply to message #6852] Fri, 12 November 2004 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Radu Racariu wrote:
> Thanks,
> Already checked that:) as you can see from my comment (about GCJ Builder).

Yes, i've seen it now.

I've just overflown the contents, as it is to early for me to go deeper
into this stuff.

But I sense a high importancy.

> By the way you should check it out http://gcjbuilder.sourceforge.net.
> This is my small contribution for the community.

Remarks:
- allow enlargement of the thumbnail

- you should automate/simplify the setup as much as possible
- this way getting more people to take a look at it.
- ideally:
- single-click download
- drop folder into eclipse
- open demo project

> Anyhow I guess no official comments ca be made for the issues I've
> raised before, maybe facts will tell more.
[...]

The issue you've raised is very 'deep', and needs time to evaluate.

Personally, i've placed it on my todo-list for a future review.

Good luck with your work!

..

--
http://lazaridis.com
Re: Eclipse VM [message #7204 is a reply to message #6852] Tue, 16 November 2004 00:47 Go to previous message
Steve Blass is currently offline Steve Blass
Messages: 121
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Thanks - http://gcjbuilder.sourceforge.net - is a big help. :)
-
Steve

Radu Racariu wrote:

> Thanks,
> Already checked that:) as you can see from my comment (about GCJ Builder).
> By the way you should check it out http://gcjbuilder.sourceforge.net.
> This is my small contribution for the community.
> Anyhow I guess no official comments ca be made for the issues I've
> raised before, maybe facts will tell more.
>
> regards,
> Radu
>
> ilias wrote:
>
>> Radu Racariu wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Lately I was wondering about the future of the Eclipse platform,
>>> community and consortium with regards to its foundation, Java the
>>> language and the platform. I must admit I'm one of those who are really
>>> disappointed on how Sun manages the whole Java development; still give
>>> them some credit but is all about the future of this platform (Java) and
>>> thats whats bothering me.
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> I'm really hopping that at least some of the things I've talked about
>>> are,will be considered and that IBM(as is the one who triggered this
>>> whole debate about OS Java), will invest in this strategic aspect.
>>>
>>> Waiting your opinions...
>>
>>
>>
>> this links should be interesting to you:
>>
>> http://www.coconut-palm-software.com/the_visual_editor/2004/ 10/30
>>
>> http://www.coconut-palm-software.com/the_visual_editor/eclip se_rcp/native_compilation.comments
>>
>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Radu
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
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