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Usability around the current task [message #58697] Tue, 30 September 2008 03:23 Go to next message
Eike Stepper is currently offline Eike Stepper
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

Maybe my perspective layout is a bit unusual as my Tasks view is a fast
view.
I wish I'd have a key binding to open the Task editor for the current
task without
going through any intermediary UI like the Tasks view or the Tasks dialog.
Do you think it's worth a Bugzilla?

Another nice feature would be a better feedback about the current task.
For example in the main window title bar the name of the current
perspective is shown.
Do you think it's possible to show the title of the current task in the
window title bar?
Maybe this could be configurable in the preferences...

Cheers
/Eike
Re: Usability around the current task [message #58992 is a reply to message #58697] Wed, 01 October 2008 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steffen Pingel is currently offline Steffen Pingel
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
> Maybe my perspective layout is a bit unusual as my Tasks view is a fast
> view.
> I wish I'd have a key binding to open the Task editor for the current
> task without
> going through any intermediary UI like the Tasks view or the Tasks dialog.
> Do you think it's worth a Bugzilla?

Yes, certainly. I have wanted that for a while but have been using the trim
widget instead which displays a clickable link with the currently active
task (see below).

> Another nice feature would be a better feedback about the current task.
> For example in the main window title bar the name of the current
> perspective is shown.
> Do you think it's possible to show the title of the current task in the
> window title bar?
> Maybe this could be configurable in the preferences...

If you install the UI Experiments feature from the incubator update site you
can enable a trim widget that displays the currently active task. Please
file a bug and let us know if you have other ideas such as displaying it in
the window title bar.

Steffen
Re: Usability around the current task [message #59016 is a reply to message #58992] Wed, 01 October 2008 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Steffen Pingel wrote:
> Yes, certainly. I have wanted that for a while but have been using the trim
> widget instead which displays a clickable link with the currently active
> task (see below).
>
> If you install the UI Experiments feature from the incubator update site you
> can enable a trim widget that displays the currently active task. Please
> file a bug and let us know if you have other ideas such as displaying it in
> the window title bar.
>
The trim widget been in the incubator probably for nearly 2 years now.
What is actually preventing from bringing it into the standard UI?

regards,
Eugene
Re: Usability around the current task [message #59191 is a reply to message #58992] Thu, 02 October 2008 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eike Stepper is currently offline Eike Stepper
Messages: 5486
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Steffen,

The trim widget is exactly what I need!! ;-)

It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar even
if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.
And I couldn't find a key binding...

Thank you for the hint!
/Eike



Steffen Pingel schrieb:
>> Maybe my perspective layout is a bit unusual as my Tasks view is a fast
>> view.
>> I wish I'd have a key binding to open the Task editor for the current
>> task without
>> going through any intermediary UI like the Tasks view or the Tasks dialog.
>> Do you think it's worth a Bugzilla?
>>
>
> Yes, certainly. I have wanted that for a while but have been using the trim
> widget instead which displays a clickable link with the currently active
> task (see below).
>
>
>> Another nice feature would be a better feedback about the current task.
>> For example in the main window title bar the name of the current
>> perspective is shown.
>> Do you think it's possible to show the title of the current task in the
>> window title bar?
>> Maybe this could be configurable in the preferences...
>>
>
> If you install the UI Experiments feature from the incubator update site you
> can enable a trim widget that displays the currently active task. Please
> file a bug and let us know if you have other ideas such as displaying it in
> the window title bar.
>
> Steffen
>
>
Re: Usability around the current task [message #59216 is a reply to message #59191] Thu, 02 October 2008 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
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Eike Stepper wrote:
> It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar
> even if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.
You can drag it around. I usually move it into the status bar at the
bottom.

regards,
Eugene
Re: Usability around the current task [message #59291 is a reply to message #59191] Thu, 02 October 2008 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steffen Pingel is currently offline Steffen Pingel
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
> It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar even
> if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.

That is one of the usability reasons why the trim is not part of the main
distribution, yet. It is related to this bug:

201589: [Contributions] visibleWhen has no effect on toolbar
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201589

> And I couldn't find a key binding...

Please file a bug for that :).

Steffen
Re: Usability around the current task [message #59340 is a reply to message #59291] Thu, 02 October 2008 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Steffen Pingel wrote:
>> It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar even
>> if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.
>>
> That is one of the usability reasons why the trim is not part of the main
> distribution, yet. It is related to this bug:
>
> 201589: [Contributions] visibleWhen has no effect on toolbar
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201589
>
As far as I remember that issue had been worked around.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=144161

regards,
Eugene
Re: Usability around the current task [message #59364 is a reply to message #59340] Thu, 02 October 2008 16:05 Go to previous message
Steffen Pingel is currently offline Steffen Pingel
Messages: 706
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
> Steffen Pingel wrote:
>>> It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar even
>>> if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.
>>>
>> That is one of the usability reasons why the trim is not part of the main
>> distribution, yet. It is related to this bug:
>>
>> 201589: [Contributions] visibleWhen has no effect on toolbar
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201589
>>
> As far as I remember that issue had been worked around.
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=144161

The trim is not hidden until after it has been added to the toolbar and
therefore leaves a blank space (in the top left corner by default). As a
workaround you can enable it, drag it to a different location where it
doesn't affect other toolbars and then disable it. There are ways to fix
that but it would require usage of platform internals.

Steffen
Re: Usability around the current task [message #593771 is a reply to message #58697] Wed, 01 October 2008 17:42 Go to previous message
Steffen Pingel is currently offline Steffen Pingel
Messages: 706
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
> Maybe my perspective layout is a bit unusual as my Tasks view is a fast
> view.
> I wish I'd have a key binding to open the Task editor for the current
> task without
> going through any intermediary UI like the Tasks view or the Tasks dialog.
> Do you think it's worth a Bugzilla?

Yes, certainly. I have wanted that for a while but have been using the trim
widget instead which displays a clickable link with the currently active
task (see below).

> Another nice feature would be a better feedback about the current task.
> For example in the main window title bar the name of the current
> perspective is shown.
> Do you think it's possible to show the title of the current task in the
> window title bar?
> Maybe this could be configurable in the preferences...

If you install the UI Experiments feature from the incubator update site you
can enable a trim widget that displays the currently active task. Please
file a bug and let us know if you have other ideas such as displaying it in
the window title bar.

Steffen
Re: Usability around the current task [message #593776 is a reply to message #58992] Wed, 01 October 2008 18:08 Go to previous message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Steffen Pingel wrote:
> Yes, certainly. I have wanted that for a while but have been using the trim
> widget instead which displays a clickable link with the currently active
> task (see below).
>
> If you install the UI Experiments feature from the incubator update site you
> can enable a trim widget that displays the currently active task. Please
> file a bug and let us know if you have other ideas such as displaying it in
> the window title bar.
>
The trim widget been in the incubator probably for nearly 2 years now.
What is actually preventing from bringing it into the standard UI?

regards,
Eugene
Re: Usability around the current task [message #593853 is a reply to message #58992] Thu, 02 October 2008 04:47 Go to previous message
Eike Stepper is currently offline Eike Stepper
Messages: 5486
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Steffen,

The trim widget is exactly what I need!! ;-)

It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar even
if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.
And I couldn't find a key binding...

Thank you for the hint!
/Eike



Steffen Pingel schrieb:
>> Maybe my perspective layout is a bit unusual as my Tasks view is a fast
>> view.
>> I wish I'd have a key binding to open the Task editor for the current
>> task without
>> going through any intermediary UI like the Tasks view or the Tasks dialog.
>> Do you think it's worth a Bugzilla?
>>
>
> Yes, certainly. I have wanted that for a while but have been using the trim
> widget instead which displays a clickable link with the currently active
> task (see below).
>
>
>> Another nice feature would be a better feedback about the current task.
>> For example in the main window title bar the name of the current
>> perspective is shown.
>> Do you think it's possible to show the title of the current task in the
>> window title bar?
>> Maybe this could be configurable in the preferences...
>>
>
> If you install the UI Experiments feature from the incubator update site you
> can enable a trim widget that displays the currently active task. Please
> file a bug and let us know if you have other ideas such as displaying it in
> the window title bar.
>
> Steffen
>
>
Re: Usability around the current task [message #593862 is a reply to message #59191] Thu, 02 October 2008 12:04 Go to previous message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Eike Stepper wrote:
> It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar
> even if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.
You can drag it around. I usually move it into the status bar at the
bottom.

regards,
Eugene
Re: Usability around the current task [message #593890 is a reply to message #59191] Thu, 02 October 2008 14:26 Go to previous message
Steffen Pingel is currently offline Steffen Pingel
Messages: 706
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
> It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar even
> if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.

That is one of the usability reasons why the trim is not part of the main
distribution, yet. It is related to this bug:

201589: [Contributions] visibleWhen has no effect on toolbar
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201589

> And I couldn't find a key binding...

Please file a bug for that :).

Steffen
Re: Usability around the current task [message #593901 is a reply to message #59291] Thu, 02 October 2008 14:36 Go to previous message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Steffen Pingel wrote:
>> It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar even
>> if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.
>>
> That is one of the usability reasons why the trim is not part of the main
> distribution, yet. It is related to this bug:
>
> 201589: [Contributions] visibleWhen has no effect on toolbar
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201589
>
As far as I remember that issue had been worked around.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=144161

regards,
Eugene
Re: Usability around the current task [message #593911 is a reply to message #59340] Thu, 02 October 2008 16:05 Go to previous message
Steffen Pingel is currently offline Steffen Pingel
Messages: 706
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
> Steffen Pingel wrote:
>>> It's a bit strange that it occupies space in the the main tool bar even
>>> if it's *not* switched on throught the prefs.
>>>
>> That is one of the usability reasons why the trim is not part of the main
>> distribution, yet. It is related to this bug:
>>
>> 201589: [Contributions] visibleWhen has no effect on toolbar
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201589
>>
> As far as I remember that issue had been worked around.
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=144161

The trim is not hidden until after it has been added to the toolbar and
therefore leaves a blank space (in the top left corner by default). As a
workaround you can enable it, drag it to a different location where it
doesn't affect other toolbars and then disable it. There are ways to fix
that but it would require usage of platform internals.

Steffen
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