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AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #58143] Wed, 09 November 2005 08:01 Go to next message
Sian January is currently offline Sian January
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AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw

Sian
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #58167 is a reply to message #58143] Wed, 09 November 2005 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Colyer is currently offline Adrian Colyer
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Sian January wrote:
> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>
> Sian

Yay! Looks great :)
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #58192 is a reply to message #58167] Wed, 09 November 2005 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
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Adrian Colyer wrote:

>> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
>> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
>> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>
> Yay! Looks great :)

It does! But why LTW tab wasn't just added to all other
Java-related launch configuration types including java app, swt app,
junit, eclipse workbench, etc. I believe it would be much more
poverful this way and won't require to duplicate launch configs only
to wave apps in the runtime.

Thanks

Eugene
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #58216 is a reply to message #58192] Thu, 10 November 2005 03:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Colyer is currently offline Adrian Colyer
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Eugene Kuleshov wrote:
> Adrian Colyer wrote:
>
>>> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
>>> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
>>> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>>
>>
>> Yay! Looks great :)
>
>
> It does! But why LTW tab wasn't just added to all other Java-related
> launch configuration types including java app, swt app, junit, eclipse
> workbench, etc. I believe it would be much more poverful this way and
> won't require to duplicate launch configs only to wave apps in the runtime.
>
> Thanks
>
> Eugene

Yes, I can see that would be very desirable. The problem in doing that
is (I suspect) the extensibility (or not) of the existing launch
configuration contributions :- whilst Eclipse has a defined mechanism
for adding a new kind of launch configuration, there is to guarantee at
all that any existing launch configuration has been designed with
extension points to allow extra tabs and behaviour to be added.

I'm sure the AJDT folks can give a more authorative view on that...
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #58242 is a reply to message #58216] Thu, 10 November 2005 05:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sian January is currently offline Sian January
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Adrian Colyer wrote:
> Eugene Kuleshov wrote:
>
>> Adrian Colyer wrote:
>>
>>>> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
>>>> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
>>>> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yay! Looks great :)
>>
>>
>>
>> It does! But why LTW tab wasn't just added to all other Java-related
>> launch configuration types including java app, swt app, junit, eclipse
>> workbench, etc. I believe it would be much more poverful this way and
>> won't require to duplicate launch configs only to wave apps in the
>> runtime.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Eugene
>
>
> Yes, I can see that would be very desirable. The problem in doing that
> is (I suspect) the extensibility (or not) of the existing launch
> configuration contributions :- whilst Eclipse has a defined mechanism
> for adding a new kind of launch configuration, there is to guarantee at
> all that any existing launch configuration has been designed with
> extension points to allow extra tabs and behaviour to be added.
>
> I'm sure the AJDT folks can give a more authorative view on that...

That's right - it's not possible to extend existing launch
configurations, which is why we have to provide our own. However it
should be possible to use load-time weaving with these other kinds of
application, it just requires a bit of typing to add the vm arguments
and write your own aop.xml file. More information on load-time weaving
can be found in the AspectJ 5 developers notebook -
http://www.eclipse.org/aspectj/doc/next/adk15notebook/ltw.ht ml.

Sian
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #58555 is a reply to message #58242] Sat, 12 November 2005 23:47 Go to previous message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
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Sian January wrote:

>>>>> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
>>>>> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
>>>>> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>>>>
>>>> Yay! Looks great :)
>>>
>>> It does! But why LTW tab wasn't just added to all other
>>> Java-related launch configuration types including java app, swt app,
>>> junit, eclipse workbench, etc. I believe it would be much more
>>> poverful this way and won't require to duplicate launch configs only
>>> to wave apps in the runtime.
>>>
>> Yes, I can see that would be very desirable. The problem in doing that
>> is (I suspect) the extensibility (or not) of the existing launch
>> configuration contributions :- whilst Eclipse has a defined mechanism
>> for adding a new kind of launch configuration, there is to guarantee
>> at all that any existing launch configuration has been designed with
>> extension points to allow extra tabs and behaviour to be added.
>>
>> I'm sure the AJDT folks can give a more authorative view on that...
>
> That's right - it's not possible to extend existing launch
> configurations, which is why we have to provide our own. However it
> should be possible to use load-time weaving with these other kinds of
> application, it just requires a bit of typing to add the vm arguments
> and write your own aop.xml file. More information on load-time weaving
> can be found in the AspectJ 5 developers notebook -
> http://www.eclipse.org/aspectj/doc/next/adk15notebook/ltw.ht ml.

That is what I meant! Can't you check if given launch configuration
somehow derived from Java-based one and then provide custom tab that
would handle these vm args and aop.xml.

Besides you should know better what is missing in the launch
configuration API, and it would be very beneficial for many other tools
to have common way to add an extra features to the existing launch
configuration. So, please please please fill an enhancement request to
platform plugin and all will vote for it. :-)

regards,
Eugene
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #590772 is a reply to message #58143] Wed, 09 November 2005 10:24 Go to previous message
Adrian Colyer is currently offline Adrian Colyer
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Sian January wrote:
> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>
> Sian

Yay! Looks great :)
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #590781 is a reply to message #58167] Wed, 09 November 2005 14:29 Go to previous message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Adrian Colyer wrote:

>> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
>> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
>> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>
> Yay! Looks great :)

It does! But why LTW tab wasn't just added to all other
Java-related launch configuration types including java app, swt app,
junit, eclipse workbench, etc. I believe it would be much more
poverful this way and won't require to duplicate launch configs only
to wave apps in the runtime.

Thanks

Eugene
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #590791 is a reply to message #58192] Thu, 10 November 2005 03:55 Go to previous message
Adrian Colyer is currently offline Adrian Colyer
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Eugene Kuleshov wrote:
> Adrian Colyer wrote:
>
>>> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
>>> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
>>> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>>
>>
>> Yay! Looks great :)
>
>
> It does! But why LTW tab wasn't just added to all other Java-related
> launch configuration types including java app, swt app, junit, eclipse
> workbench, etc. I believe it would be much more poverful this way and
> won't require to duplicate launch configs only to wave apps in the runtime.
>
> Thanks
>
> Eugene

Yes, I can see that would be very desirable. The problem in doing that
is (I suspect) the extensibility (or not) of the existing launch
configuration contributions :- whilst Eclipse has a defined mechanism
for adding a new kind of launch configuration, there is to guarantee at
all that any existing launch configuration has been designed with
extension points to allow extra tabs and behaviour to be added.

I'm sure the AJDT folks can give a more authorative view on that...
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #590800 is a reply to message #58216] Thu, 10 November 2005 05:27 Go to previous message
Sian January is currently offline Sian January
Messages: 83
Registered: July 2009
Member
Adrian Colyer wrote:
> Eugene Kuleshov wrote:
>
>> Adrian Colyer wrote:
>>
>>>> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
>>>> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
>>>> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yay! Looks great :)
>>
>>
>>
>> It does! But why LTW tab wasn't just added to all other Java-related
>> launch configuration types including java app, swt app, junit, eclipse
>> workbench, etc. I believe it would be much more poverful this way and
>> won't require to duplicate launch configs only to wave apps in the
>> runtime.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Eugene
>
>
> Yes, I can see that would be very desirable. The problem in doing that
> is (I suspect) the extensibility (or not) of the existing launch
> configuration contributions :- whilst Eclipse has a defined mechanism
> for adding a new kind of launch configuration, there is to guarantee at
> all that any existing launch configuration has been designed with
> extension points to allow extra tabs and behaviour to be added.
>
> I'm sure the AJDT folks can give a more authorative view on that...

That's right - it's not possible to extend existing launch
configurations, which is why we have to provide our own. However it
should be possible to use load-time weaving with these other kinds of
application, it just requires a bit of typing to add the vm arguments
and write your own aop.xml file. More information on load-time weaving
can be found in the AspectJ 5 developers notebook -
http://www.eclipse.org/aspectj/doc/next/adk15notebook/ltw.ht ml

Sian
Re: AJDT New Feature of the Week: Load-time Weaving [message #590890 is a reply to message #58242] Sat, 12 November 2005 23:47 Go to previous message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Sian January wrote:

>>>>> AJDT 1.2.1 and 1.3 now provide support for load-time weaving your
>>>>> applications in Eclipse. Please see the New Features page for more
>>>>> details: http://www.eclipse.org/ajdt/newfeatures/#ltw
>>>>
>>>> Yay! Looks great :)
>>>
>>> It does! But why LTW tab wasn't just added to all other
>>> Java-related launch configuration types including java app, swt app,
>>> junit, eclipse workbench, etc. I believe it would be much more
>>> poverful this way and won't require to duplicate launch configs only
>>> to wave apps in the runtime.
>>>
>> Yes, I can see that would be very desirable. The problem in doing that
>> is (I suspect) the extensibility (or not) of the existing launch
>> configuration contributions :- whilst Eclipse has a defined mechanism
>> for adding a new kind of launch configuration, there is to guarantee
>> at all that any existing launch configuration has been designed with
>> extension points to allow extra tabs and behaviour to be added.
>>
>> I'm sure the AJDT folks can give a more authorative view on that...
>
> That's right - it's not possible to extend existing launch
> configurations, which is why we have to provide our own. However it
> should be possible to use load-time weaving with these other kinds of
> application, it just requires a bit of typing to add the vm arguments
> and write your own aop.xml file. More information on load-time weaving
> can be found in the AspectJ 5 developers notebook -
> http://www.eclipse.org/aspectj/doc/next/adk15notebook/ltw.ht ml

That is what I meant! Can't you check if given launch configuration
somehow derived from Java-based one and then provide custom tab that
would handle these vm args and aop.xml.

Besides you should know better what is missing in the launch
configuration API, and it would be very beneficial for many other tools
to have common way to add an extra features to the existing launch
configuration. So, please please please fill an enhancement request to
platform plugin and all will vote for it. :-)

regards,
Eugene
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