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No real name is currently offline No real nameFriend
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I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at all. I extremely dislike working with it.

I can't believe so many people seem to support and like this product, can somebody explain to me what is so great about it?

Compared to visual studio Eclipse is not even worthy of standing in its shadow. Unfortunately i have to work with Eclipse because of some (very smart) management decisions, but i dislike it every single day. And before you start.... yes, i have given it a fair chance, since i had to work with it anyway.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #557422 is a reply to message #557388] Tue, 07 September 2010 11:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2010.09.07 3:10, droopcat wrote:
> I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at
> all. I extremely dislike working with it.
>
> I can't believe so many people seem to support and like this product,
> can somebody explain to me what is so great about it?
>
> Compared to visual studio Eclipse is not even worthy of standing in its
> shadow. Unfortunately i have to work with Eclipse because of some (very
> smart) management decisions, but i dislike it every single day. And
> before you start.... yes, i have given it a fair chance, since i had to
> work with it anyway.

I work with Eclipse everyday too and don't share your opinion. Maybe you
should look for a more intelligent employer with a longer, more faithful
tongue that reaches all the way to Redmond?

Seriously, Eclipse isn't the same thing as Visual Studio. It's not
produced by a monolithic company that imposes cradle-to-grave decisions
on what development to their platform entails (and what it will not entail).

Eclipse is developed by a world-wide community who aren't specifically
remunerated for this. Unlike VS, it supports and targets nearly all
possible platforms.

Most of us are here in this forum to give back to others. We've been
using Eclipse for a very long time and don't share your "born yesterday"
attitude. When we've got a beef, we find a work-around and/or report a
bug. Constructively.

I too have experienced inconveniences working with Eclipse, but it would
never occur to me that barfing all over it in a forum of dedicated users
would gain me a sympathetic ear.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #557443 is a reply to message #557422] Tue, 07 September 2010 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alexander Grosse is currently offline Alexander GrosseFriend
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Oh my god...

how can you compare eclipse to visual studio ???

Compare it to net beans if you want to, but i think those two are the only ones of its kind !!!

And a big fact - It is open source, and offers a lot more then visu... no, i wont say the name - its not even worth mentioning in the same sentence..

Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #557481 is a reply to message #557388] Tue, 07 September 2010 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 9/7/2010 2:40 PM, droopca wrote:
> I can't believe so many people seem to support and like this product,
> can somebody explain to me what is so great about it?
Well.. a lot of us 'love' Eclipse :)

Still what exactly did you dislike in Eclipse or found inconvenient?
What do you use it for? What bugs you faced? We also love bug reports,
file one if you encounter one - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/ - just
provide us enough 'details' to fix the problem.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #557560 is a reply to message #557388] Wed, 08 September 2010 06:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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<droopcat> wrote in message news:i64vil$kak$1@build.eclipse.org...
>I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at
>all. I extremely dislike working with it.
>
> I can't believe so many people seem to support and like this product, can
> somebody explain to me what is so great about it?

Well, for one, Visual Studio's ability to edit and navigate Java code (or
any other language that Microsoft doesn't sell) is, er, "limited". As is
its ability to build for, or run on, any platform other than Windows.

That said, I've worked with (and helped develop) each of them, and
personally I find that I prefer Eclipse, even disregarding the language and
platform differences. It doesn't try to embed itself in my OS; it doesn't
crash my computer as often; and I find the code navigation more intuitive
than VS's. Neither is perfect, and they serve very different communities
and address different goals.

One difference that you might find interesting: with Eclipse, if there's a
problem that bugs you or a feature you need, you have the ability to fix it
yourself. With VS, even if you could get the source code, that would be
illegal.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #557695 is a reply to message #557388] Wed, 08 September 2010 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <i64vil$kak$1@build.eclipse.org>, droopcat says...
>
> I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at all. I extremely dislike working with it.
>
> I can't believe so many people seem to support and like this product, can somebody explain to me what is so great about it?
>
> Compared to visual studio Eclipse is not even worthy of standing in its shadow. Unfortunately i have to work with Eclipse because of some (very smart) management decisions, but i dislike it every single day. And before you start.... yes, i have given it a fair chance, since i had to work with it anyway.

I can agree with "not intuitive", but not the rest of it. It's been
quite stable for me, and no bugs that I can recall running into.

I run Eclipse for Java development, Visual Studio for VB, and Delphi,
and IMO they're all pretty good at what they do, but are quite different
in style. I'd say VS is the least stable of the 3 (it definitely
crashes more than the others, though none of them do so very often), but
probably the most intuitive. Delphi is definitely the least intuitive.

D

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #557736 is a reply to message #557695] Wed, 08 September 2010 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Intuition is primarily an illusion. It's ingrained expectation based
entirely on what's happened in the past. What's unintuitive today,
might well be intuitive tomorrow, so much so that anything else seems
unintuitive. Like beauty, it lies in the eye of the beholder.


David Kerber wrote:
> In article <i64vil$kak$1@build.eclipse.org>, droopcat says...
>
>> I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at all. I extremely dislike working with it.
>>
>> I can't believe so many people seem to support and like this product, can somebody explain to me what is so great about it?
>>
>> Compared to visual studio Eclipse is not even worthy of standing in its shadow. Unfortunately i have to work with Eclipse because of some (very smart) management decisions, but i dislike it every single day. And before you start.... yes, i have given it a fair chance, since i had to work with it anyway.
>>
>
> I can agree with "not intuitive", but not the rest of it. It's been
> quite stable for me, and no bugs that I can recall running into.
>
> I run Eclipse for Java development, Visual Studio for VB, and Delphi,
> and IMO they're all pretty good at what they do, but are quite different
> in style. I'd say VS is the least stable of the 3 (it definitely
> crashes more than the others, though none of them do so very often), but
> probably the most intuitive. Delphi is definitely the least intuitive.
>
> D
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Intuition is primarily an illusion.&nbsp; It's ingrained expectation based
entirely on what's happened in the past.&nbsp; What's unintuitive today,
might well be intuitive tomorrow, so much so that anything else seems
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<pre wrap="">I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at all. I extremely dislike working with it.

I can't believe so many people seem to support and like this product, can somebody explain to me what is so great about it?

Compared to visual studio Eclipse is not even worthy of standing in its shadow. Unfortunately i have to work with Eclipse because of some (very smart) management decisions, but i dislike it every single day. And before you start.... yes, i have given it a fair chance, since i had to work with it anyway.
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I can agree with "not intuitive", but not the rest of it. It's been
quite stable for me, and no bugs that I can recall running into.

I run Eclipse for Java development, Visual Studio for VB, and Delphi,
and IMO they're all pretty good at what they do, but are quite different
in style. I'd say VS is the least stable of the 3 (it definitely
crashes more than the others, though none of them do so very often), but
probably the most intuitive. Delphi is definitely the least intuitive.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #557800 is a reply to message #557388] Thu, 09 September 2010 00:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok I'll take the bait.
Initially when I started using eclipse it annoyed me greatly and was buggy
too. After fighting with it for a few days your brain learns to avoid
certain usage patterns that lead you to those mines. Als,o you learn to do
eclipse -clean etc., learn to have multiple eclipse installs and not
download plugins into your dev environment which you need to absolutely
work. I have a plugin sandbox install which I use to test out different
plugins etc.,
Every time a new release comes out I don't auto-update. I test it out and
slowly migrate my code into it. I cannot afford to have my system blowup in
the middle of doing something.
Eclipse does indeed work very well, when you get used to it, learn about its
extensibility and that you can get it to do whatever you want.
If you proceed cautiously and learn the patterns of behavoir -you will learn
to like it.
But it does require an initial investment of time.


<droopcat> wrote in message news:i64vil$kak$1@build.eclipse.org...
>I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at
>all. I extremely dislike working with it.
>
> I can't believe so many people seem to support and like this product, can
> somebody explain to me what is so great about it?
>
> Compared to visual studio Eclipse is not even worthy of standing in its
> shadow. Unfortunately i have to work with Eclipse because of some (very
> smart) management decisions, but i dislike it every single day. And before
> you start.... yes, i have given it a fair chance, since i had to work with
> it anyway.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #557928 is a reply to message #557736] Thu, 09 September 2010 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <i68aj0$apv$1@build.eclipse.org>, Ed.Merks says...
>
> Intuition is primarily an illusion. It's ingrained expectation based
> entirely on what's happened in the past. What's unintuitive today,
> might well be intuitive tomorrow, so much so that anything else seems
> unintuitive. Like beauty, it lies in the eye of the beholder.

Agreed. And with software, it means that commands are where you expect
to find them, and that things work the way you expect. Eclipse didn't
quite meet that definition when I first tried it, though it was easy to
learn by playing with it.

D

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #558435 is a reply to message #557928] Sun, 12 September 2010 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I installed eclipse helios the other day, created an empty project, try to close the IDE and it crashed, just out of the box.
On top of all this I cant search for files everywhere, only in workspaces.
I wonder sometimes how someone who is designing some piece of software ( and an IDE used by many, no less) can miss implementing such a basic feature
And I found some plug-in that was supposed to search anywhere and it could even start
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #558575 is a reply to message #558435] Mon, 13 September 2010 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Comments below.

donescamillo wrote:
> I installed eclipse helios the other day, created an empty project,
> try to close the IDE and it crashed, just out of the box.
What type of project? What does "crashed" mean exactly?
>
> On top of all this I cant search for files everywhere, only in workspaces.
Yes, search is designed to search the resources in your workspace. It's
not a file system explorer...
> I wonder sometimes how someone who is designing some piece of software
> ( and an IDE used by many, no less) can miss implementing such a basic
> feature
One might imagine the OS itself would provide such a basic feature.
> And I found some plug-in that was supposed to search anywhere and it
> could even start
We should guess what the plugin is and take responsibility for it?
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #559546 is a reply to message #558435] Fri, 17 September 2010 06:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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news:i6jakc$uc6$1@build.eclipse.org...
>I installed eclipse helios the other day, created an empty project, try to
>close the IDE and it crashed, just out of the box.
> On top of all this I cant search for files everywhere, only in workspaces.
> I wonder sometimes how someone who is designing some piece of software (
> and an IDE used by many, no less) can miss implementing such a basic
> feature

Indeed. What a strange thing, that an IDE used by so many doesn't have such
a basic feature. It's almost as if that feature is not actually necessary
for all those people.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #559552 is a reply to message #559546] Fri, 17 September 2010 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's almost ironic!

Walter Harley wrote:
> "donescamillo" <donescamillo> wrote in message
> news:i6jakc$uc6$1@build.eclipse.org...
>
>> I installed eclipse helios the other day, created an empty project, try to
>> close the IDE and it crashed, just out of the box.
>> On top of all this I cant search for files everywhere, only in workspaces.
>> I wonder sometimes how someone who is designing some piece of software (
>> and an IDE used by many, no less) can miss implementing such a basic
>> feature
>>
>
> Indeed. What a strange thing, that an IDE used by so many doesn't have such
> a basic feature. It's almost as if that feature is not actually necessary
> for all those people.
>
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<pre wrap="">"donescamillo" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donescamillo">&lt;donescamillo&gt;</a> wrote in message
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<pre wrap="">I installed eclipse helios the other day, created an empty project, try to
close the IDE and it crashed, just out of the box.
On top of all this I cant search for files everywhere, only in workspaces.
I wonder sometimes how someone who is designing some piece of software (
and an IDE used by many, no less) can miss implementing such a basic
feature
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Indeed. What a strange thing, that an IDE used by so many doesn't have such
a basic feature. It's almost as if that feature is not actually necessary
for all those people.


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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #640764 is a reply to message #557388] Tue, 23 November 2010 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at all. I extremely dislike working with it.



I've had similar problems with Helios, so I reverted to Ganymede. It never gave me any problems to speak of. Try that. Not sure what happened with the Helios release.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #640766 is a reply to message #640764] Tue, 23 November 2010 05:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2010.11.22 22:05, Lyle wrote:
> Quote:
>> I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive
>> at all. I extremely dislike working with it.
>
>
> I've had similar problems with Helios, so I reverted to Ganymede. It
> never gave me any problems to speak of. Try that. Not sure what happened
> with the Helios release.

Helios WTP has changed some things, but I've had no stability issues
using it. I use Helios on Windows and Linux with no trouble. (And even
more since when this thread first started almost three months ago.)

I'm still using Galileo specifically for Dynamic Web Projects until I
stop being too lazy to figure out how Helios has changed the JEE Module
Dependencies thing. And for Android development where Helios isn't
recommended yet.

It is true that Galileo has always been rock-solid for me, but I don't
see Helios as unstable. I've had no bad experiences with it.

Anyway, I couldn't disagree more with the troll who started this thread.
I think Eclipse deserves more than an afternoon romp before being condemned.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #641708 is a reply to message #557388] Fri, 26 November 2010 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I read a few of the post about Eclipse blowing, and a lot more about it being the be all end all. I have to admit I have commited a large amount of time exploring all of the options on many different levels. I decided that Eclipse would be my first serious exploration into Java development along side with my education in web design. I would not be adverse to any response to my decision, because I intend to invest a lot of time learning Java from the bottom up using this program and any help that I can receive in learning would definately assist my curve.

Thank you for your time everyone.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #660155 is a reply to message #557422] Thu, 17 March 2011 07:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to agree with the OP that Eclipse is "buggy, unstable and not intuitive at all." (and don't forget - its also extremely Slooooooow)

I used eclipse for a few days and the crashes alone put me off so much that I am never ever going to use it and try to push Netbeans.

Russell Bateman wrote on Tue, 07 September 2010 07:24
On 2010.09.07 3:10, droopcat wrote:
Seriously, Eclipse isn't the same thing as Visual Studio. It's not
produced by a monolithic company that imposes cradle-to-grave decisions
on what development to their platform entails (and what it will not entail).

Eclipse is developed by a world-wide community who aren't specifically
remunerated for this. Unlike VS, it supports and targets nearly all
possible platforms.


That should not be an excuse to make it buggy, unstable and non-intuitive, and unfortunately Eclipse wins hands down in all three areas.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #662207 is a reply to message #660155] Tue, 29 March 2011 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the best thing to do is
to report the bugs you're finding. If you don't, no one has a chance to
fix them.

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No Real Name wrote on Tue, 07 September 2010 05:10
I think Eclipse sucks bigtime, it's buggy, unstable and not intuitive at all. I extremely dislike working with it.

I am an Eclipse newbie like you, coming from the Visual Studio and Emacs world and I disagree with your judgment.

Eclipse is not perfect, but I don't know of any software package of this magnitude that's perfect. I use it for Android development and I am thrilled & impressed every time it suggests corrections even at the program logic level. This is like programming with training wheels -- it detects & fixes problems even before compilation.


No Real Name wrote on Tue, 07 September 2010 05:10

Compared to visual studio Eclipse is not even worthy of standing in its shadow.

In my opinion, Visual Studio stopped being worthy when it was re-implemented using .NET instead of the much faster and nimbler C/C++ version (latest was VC++ 6.0).

If I have to work with a sluggish IDE, I prefer Eclipse.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #753603 is a reply to message #557388] Fri, 28 October 2011 01:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not really fair to compare Eclipse to Visual Studio. That's like comparing a car made by a real car company to something that someone made in their garage. As a product VS is obviously a superior because it was made by a competent team, paid for their work.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #798703 is a reply to message #753603] Wed, 15 February 2012 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If Eclipse would just tell me what the problem is when it decides to not save files, I might be a bigger fan. Can't get any help with the problem either.
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On 2012.02.14 18:23, vaughn lanter wrote:
> If Eclipse would just tell me what the problem is when it decides to not
> save files, I might be a bigger fan. Can't get any help with the problem
> either.

It's true that Eclipse forums lack a little psychic friends network:
it's devilishly hard to diagnose or help someone who wishes to engage in
support-line twenty questions.

Here's some basic help to get started with:
http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Okay, the short list:
- The PHP IDE debugger stopped at random points in the code without warning
- Workspace crashed + corrupted on multiple occasions without cause
- Performance woefully inadequate, ie. unable to keep up with typing speed
- Memory use extremely high
- Remote Apache PHP debugging is broken at many levels
- Configuring xDebug is a nightmare
- Code coloration so broken that it's worse than useless
- Workspace files not kept in sync with edits out of workspace

That's just a shortlist off the top of my head, because I've managed to stop using Eclipse. I'd suggest to anyone working with PHP to consider SciTE(Linux) or Notepad++(Windows). This is an effective editor which can be easily and promptly configured. It never crashes, supports dozens of languages and has many plugins available.

The only limitation is no debugger.
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On 2012.03.01 19:51, Anonymous Mising name wrote:
> Okay, the short list:
> - The PHP IDE debugger stopped at random points in the code without warning
--sorry, I don't do PHP; ask the guys in the Eclipse PDT forum.
> - Workspace crashed + corrupted on multiple occasions without cause
--saw this in early ADT development; not since and never in Java or Java EE.
> - Performance woefully inadequate, ie. unable to keep up with typing speed
--never seen this on Windows or Linux.
> - Memory use extremely high
--relative: what constitutes extremely high memory usage? I have 8G on
Windows and Linux. Memory is as cheap as dirty anyway.
> - Remote Apache PHP debugging is broken at many levels
> - Configuring xDebug is a nightmare
--sorry, I don't do PHP; ask the guys in the Eclipse PDT forum.
> - Code coloration so broken that it's worse than useless
--this is configurable; I use vim as much as I do Eclipse's Java editor;
I see no problem with how color syntax works in either product.
> - Workspace files not kept in sync with edits out of workspace
--never seen this problem as Eclipse recognizes out-of-sync conditions
and asks me if I want to fix them.

> That's just a shortlist off the top of my head, because I've managed to
> stop using Eclipse.
--Hasta luego.
> I'd suggest to anyone working with PHP to consider
> SciTE(Linux) or Notepad++(Windows). This is an effective editor which
> can be easily and promptly configured. It never crashes, supports dozens
> of languages and has many plugins available.
>
> The only limitation is no debugger.
--I'm not nearly good enough a developer to write code I don't have to
debug, so I guess I'm stuck with Eclipse.

Obviously, all of us who answer questions in this forum, and thousands
more besides, do not have these problems you bring up--any of
them--though there are often other bugs that arise that we report and
see the community of committers fix.

Perhaps if you were a little more patient and willing to get help (in
your case, from the Eclipse PDT forum), you'd be successful too.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #813282 is a reply to message #811306] Mon, 05 March 2012 03:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Russell Bateman wrote on Fri, 02 March 2012 02:03
On 2012.03.01 19:51, Perhaps if you were a little more patient and willing to get help (in
your case, from the Eclipse PDT forum), you'd be successful too.


It's unfortunate that I don't have the patience required to use Eclipse. I'm extremely lucky that there's other software available which better suits me. There isn't one solution to every problem.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #827704 is a reply to message #813282] Fri, 23 March 2012 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree. It sucks. Its a big memory hog. Eats up half the available memory and crashes too often. I am trying to install the m2e for eclipse since the past 30 minutes and its still downloading the stuff. Holy crap.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1034595 is a reply to message #557388] Fri, 05 April 2013 16:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have been using Eclipse for 5 years now. It has always been a memory hog - not to mention slower than fossilized giant sloth (jk - it is slightly faster than that). I have to kill it periodically bc it kills the heap - and crushes Java.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1034736 is a reply to message #1034595] Fri, 05 April 2013 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/5/2013 1:12 PM, Derek Webb wrote:
> I have been using Eclipse for 5 years now. It has always been a memory
> hog - not to mention slower than fossilized giant sloth (jk - it is
> slightly faster than that). I have to kill it periodically bc it kills
> the heap - and crushes Java.

--my experience on Windows XP years ago too, but not so much on Windows
7 with 8Gb memory and never on Linux with even less memory than that.

I don't care about how much memory Eclipse uses since running Eclipse is
most of what I ask my development host hardware to do. Anyway, my set-up
for years has been Linux and 8Gb of memory--it's lightning fast and I
don't seem to have any trouble running anything else at the same time
either.

The plug-ins you're using may be at fault too. Remember, more than
anything, Eclipse is a pile of plug-ins.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1034947 is a reply to message #557388] Sat, 06 April 2013 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am a computer engineer and have been programming for over 11 years so I know how to use an IDE. This is why Eclipse sucks big time.

1.) You can't change the default font color. You can change the font, but not the color. Eclipse uses the system default font color. This is a major problem because when I program, I use a dark background to ease eye strain. My system font color is black due to the OS defaulting to a white background... how am I supposed to read black text on a dark background??? Changing my system font color every time I want to change programs is not a legitimate method.

2.) When editing color schemes, you cant just click on a symbol type in the preview and have it select what you are configuring. You have to select it from a drop down menu... that is totally stupid/frustrating and not fast or easy... were engineers here, time=money.

3.) The Workspace is in a fixed location and it doesn't allow easy importing of projects. I should be able to load a project anywhere on a local or networked drive without any hassles, just like every other IDE. I shouldn't have to switch my workspace and reload the program when all I want to do is load a project from my Drive just took look at an old project for reference. Bottom line, its stupid. Let me open my project and quit messing with me.

4.) There are a lot of better IDEs out there that are a lot quicker and easier to use. So save yourself the time. I don't care if its free and you can theoretically do powerful things with it. If it spend more time trying to figure out the options then coding, your wasting my time. Again time=money... so then Eclipse is screwing me out of money... which makes it not free.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1038779 is a reply to message #1034947] Thu, 11 April 2013 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cale McCollough wrote :

I do not work on Eclipse, I am just a user.

> I am a computer engineer and have been programming for over 11 years so I
> know how to use an IDE. This is why Eclipse sucks big time.

So? I have been developing for about 30 years, using everything from
CP/M, MS-DOS 1.0 (EDLIN), to minis, to mainframes, to OS/2, and to
Windows in its various flavors. I know over 15 languages, and I have
lost count of all the editors and IDEs I have used on those platforms.

>
> 1.) You can't change the default font color. You can change the font, but not
> the color. Eclipse uses the system default font color. This is a major
> problem because when I program, I use a dark background to ease eye strain.
> My system font color is black due to the OS defaulting to a white
> background... how am I supposed to read black text on a dark background???
> Changing my system font color every time I want to change programs is not a
> legitimate method.

Just as a thought, have you tried turning down the brightness on your
monitor?

Besides, open Preferences, General, Appearance, Editors, Text Editors,
then select Background color and Foreground color from the list at the
bottom. Uncheck "System Default" and select the colors of your choice.

You can then go to Java, Editor, Syntax Coloring to alter the rest of
the color choices.

Export the preferences and you can reuse them on other Eclipse
installations.

> 2.) When editing color schemes, you cant just click on a symbol type in the
> preview and have it select what you are configuring. You have to select it
> from a drop down menu... that is totally stupid/frustrating and not fast or
> easy... were engineers here, time=money.

Really? So you want to click within the preview for say abstract
methods, and have the menu selection for abstract menus selected in the
element list.

Might not be a bad enhancement. You can go to
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs and make a request.

Though I find the current system intuitive and easy to use. YMMV.

> 3.) The Workspace is in a fixed location and it doesn't allow easy importing
> of projects. I should be able to load a project anywhere on a local or
> networked drive without any hassles, just like every other IDE. I shouldn't
> have to switch my workspace and reload the program when all I want to do is
> load a project from my Drive just took look at an old project for reference.
> Bottom line, its stupid. Let me open my project and quit messing with me.
>

A workspace contains much more than just your source code. Among other
things there is a history of the changes you have made.

Importing can be as easy as creating the project, then using the
Eclipse to import the source code.

Or you can use the OS, copy/paste your source code into the newly
created project source directory. A refresh and Eclipse picks up the
code.

Or you can set up a virtual link to the other project's root directory,
which makes all the files available. Note that this is deemed to be
outside the Eclipse project and therefore is not within the build
process. As such it cannot affect your current project with fussy
things like un-resolved dependancies and syntax errors.

Select your project (top element). This places the location of the
link. Then click on File, New, Folder. In the dialoque click on
Advanced at the bottom. Select Link to Alternate Location, then browse
to your other project's root directory.

Or you can use a networked version control system and access your code
from multiple IDEs, computers, and locations.


> 4.) There are a lot of better IDEs out there that are a lot quicker and
> easier to use. So save yourself the time. I don't care if its free and you
> can theoretically do powerful things with it. If it spend more time trying to
> figure out the options then coding, your wasting my time. Again time=money...
> so then Eclipse is screwing me out of money... which makes it not free.

Every IDE has its own quirks. You may prefer some IDE because you have
taught yourself over time to work within its capabilities and
limitations.

Eclipse has its own capabilities and limitations. And yes it takes a
certain amount of effort to become conversant in it.

I would have the same issues as you have if I was to start using your
IDE. And to you I would seem dumb because it takes time to learn the
IDE, any IDE.

-----

So what? A tool is just a tool. It can do some things, it cannot do
others.

Have you tried looking through the Eclipse plugin web site? There might
be plugins which will allow some of the things you lack in Eclipse. Of
course you need to "waste" the time to look for them...

--
Wojtek :-)
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1038955 is a reply to message #1038779] Thu, 11 April 2013 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eclipse has it's flaws but it's the best out there.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1039427 is a reply to message #1038955] Fri, 12 April 2013 06:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lalle Ball wrote on Thu, 11 April 2013 16:47
Eclipse has it's flaws but it's the best out there.

For lots of people and general purposes. Let's not overly generalise.
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1041803 is a reply to message #1034947] Mon, 15 April 2013 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cale McCollough wrote on Sat, 06 April 2013 00:47
I2.) When editing color schemes, you cant just click on a symbol type in the preview and have it select what you are configuring. You have to select it from a drop down menu... that is totally stupid/frustrating and not fast or easy... were engineers here, time=money.


This already works for some editors (XML/HTML/CSS/DTD/JSP/PHP(?)) because the algorithm used for performing their syntax coloring is that straightforward. The amount of time to do so for other editors has always had to justify itself against how frequently people change their syntax coloring preferences. As has been mentioned, it's an interesting feature request at least.


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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1061766 is a reply to message #557388] Mon, 03 June 2013 20:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Been working with Eclipse for a while now, mostly Android (both Windows and Mac). For all the people saying the Eclipse is good and great...ARE YOU F...KIDDING ?!?!

I worked for a lot of years, with most IDEs on most platforms: Eclipse, Netbeans, Visual Studio since the beginnings, XCode and so on.

Eclipse is the worst, probably very close to Netbeans, 2 of the most horrific IDE ever created. The productivity I have in those is AT MOST 50% of what I do in VS and XCode.

Just a few things:

- even the mouse clicks and keyboard typing is slow in Eclipse. I always feel like I'm working in a virtual machine (which, basically, we are) or over a remote desktop connection. Even with the best machines (i7, 16gb, SSDs), Eclipse is extremely slow.
The rest of the IDEs perform naturally, they respond quickly and so on.
With Eclipse, I always get headaches after prolonged sessions, because of the constant delays in my commands.
- I have to restart it AT LEAST twice per hour. I'm not kidding. TWICE PER HOUR. Reasons are multiple: speed decreases to inimaginable values, it gets stuck on the Debug perspective, I get error dialogs with some random internal error, keyboards shortcuts stop working and so on. This happens all the time and not only for me, but for all the people working with me.
Then...unexpected errors in code, where everything looks good...you restart Eclipse and voila! everything suddenly compiles.
- I have the helper views display on the botton (LogCat, Console, etc). Well...every 10-20 runs, they suddenly move in the top right corner. All of them. I have to manually drag them back. Uau.

It is NOT possible to have an IDE in 2013 that has to be restarted twice an hour.
Even XCode, in its worst periods (< v4) wasn't that bad.

But there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Google decide to finally dump this and create a nice IDE based on probably the only usable java ide.
Android Studio is great so far (although missing some features for now). Speed is as expected, moves very natural, no bugs, no restart. When it will reach production, half of Eclipse users will move to it.

Let's hope this happens soon, I'm about to put a fist through my monitors if I have to see Eclipse for much longer....



Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1061767 is a reply to message #1061766] Mon, 03 June 2013 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Those are unusual performance characteristics for the class of hardware you're describing, as I can run like that for days without issues. I don't have the Android tools installed, though, nor anything resembling a LogCat view. Best suggestion is that when you encounter one of these random errors of yours, you open a bug report at http://bugs.eclipse.org.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1061800 is a reply to message #1061766] Tue, 04 June 2013 07:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dani Cri wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 22:20
...


http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/t/367243/
Other than that, probably plugin issues.

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1061818 is a reply to message #557388] Tue, 04 June 2013 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know what plugin issues, it's a standard installation (ADT from google, always updated to the last version). Same things happen to me on a Mac installation and EXACTLY the same issues happen for a colleague on a Windows PC. (obviously, since its the same Eclipse code, running on top of different virtual machines)

I tried to follow one of the suggestions from a previous post and disable some animations, but even that was not possible Smile) Went to Preferences, Appearance and voila, Eclipse crashed Smile Incredible.
Now the Appearance tab is white and cannot be selected. Time for the multi-restart Eclipse fix tool !

Bugs ? I cannot open bugs for such trivial issues. I know opening bugs can help the software and they should be opened, but not when they are like that !
I am more than happy to report a beautiful bug, hidden, hard to find, but I cannot open bugs saying that Eclipse is slow and crashes 2 times an hour or has to be restarted so I can barely work.

Here are some bugs and a way to reproduce them:

1) Get Eclipse + ADT
2) Work in it for a day on a real project
3) At the end of the day you will have a list with at least 10 bugs or more.

Now, I really doubt that everything is because of the ADT and Eclipse is great without it. I am sure 99% of the issues are in Eclipse.

Sorry about being so bitchy about this, but I am really frustrated for a while with it and I cannot wait until Android Studio becomes usable.

As for the people saying that Eclipse is OK, my only explanation is that they only used that IDE and never worked with anything else in their lives.
In that case, it's normal to consider it OK, I guess...
But if someone with at least 1+ years on VS or Xcode still says Eclipse is good....

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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1061930 is a reply to message #1061766] Tue, 04 June 2013 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dani Cri wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 16:20

But there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Google decide to finally dump this and create a nice IDE based on probably the only usable java ide.
Android Studio is great so far (although missing some features for now). Speed is as expected, moves very natural, no bugs, no restart. When it will reach production, half of Eclipse users will move to it.

Let's hope this happens soon, I'm about to put a fist through my monitors if I have to see Eclipse for much longer....



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Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1061961 is a reply to message #1061930] Wed, 05 June 2013 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This seems like an ironic comment given that your IDE, whichever one it
may be, is running on a PC. It's also not a given that the problems you
see with the Eclipse Android integration aren't cause by the Android
extensions rather than by Eclipse itself. Given I use it all day every
day and don't see such problems, I'd assume it's the former not the latter.

On 04/06/2013 10:18 PM, Ex Libris wrote:
> Dani Cri wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 16:20
>> But there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Google decide to
>> finally dump this and create a nice IDE based on probably the only
>> usable java ide.
>> Android Studio is great so far (although missing some features for
>> now). Speed is as expected, moves very natural, no bugs, no restart.
>> When it will reach production, half of Eclipse users will move to it.
>>
>> Let's hope this happens soon, I'm about to put a fist through my
>> monitors if I have to see Eclipse for much longer....
>
>
> Let's hope this marks a turning point. The Eclipse platform and IDE
> might have been relevant in about 2000-2008, but not in the "post-PC"
> era. The sooner someone puts Eclipse out of its misery the better for
> all of us. RIP Eclipse! :)
Re: Eclipse sucks bigtime [message #1062026 is a reply to message #557388] Wed, 05 June 2013 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Here's a nice one that happens to me lately...

After a few hours of work, keyboard shortcuts no longer work. No more copy paste using the keyboard. Using contextual menu works.
Basically, 90% of the shortcuts stop. Organize imports, Run/Debug, Copy/Paste.
The simply don't work anymore, but all is OK using the mouse.

The magic Eclipse restart fixes everything, at least for the next few hours.

Words cannot describe how much I f...ing hate this thing.
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