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Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #552455] Thu, 12 August 2010 09:50 Go to next message
James Gadbury is currently offline James Gadbury
Messages: 4
Registered: August 2010
Junior Member
Hi all,

I've been looking at open-source and commercial UML tools. An open-source Eclipse plugin for Helios would be the ideal.

I read somewhere during my research trawling the web that Papyrus has merged with Topcased. I also read that development of MDT UML2 for Helios (which is required by Acceleo which in turn is required by Topcased) has slowed or stopped. I have had trouble installing Topcased 4.0.0 and now www.topcased.org is down. I must say I'm confused with the situation!

Is MDT Papyrus still alive?
Is MDT Papyrus part of UML2?
Is / should MDT Papyrus be part of Helios? On the Eclipse Helios projects page (here: http://www.eclipse.org/helios/projects.php), MDT UML2 is listed as a project but does not seem to be installed when I browse my Helios installation.
How is MDT Papyrus related to Topcased?

Thanks for your time. Kind regards,

James
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #552698 is a reply to message #552455] Fri, 13 August 2010 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Raphael Faudou is currently offline Raphael Faudou
Messages: 84
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi James,

here are below a few answers to try to remove confusion.


Le 12/08/2010 11:50, James Gadbury a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> I've been looking at open-source and commercial UML tools. An
> open-source Eclipse plugin for Helios would be the ideal.
>
> I read somewhere during my research trawling the web that Papyrus has
> merged with Topcased.
Yes. More precisley, the MDT Papyrus component was born on several
initiatives and mainly from Papyrus 1 (papyrus.org) and TOPCASED UML
(topcased.org).
Papyrus 1 is no more supported by the CEA as all efforts are put on
Eclipse MDT Papyrus.
TOPCASED UML is maintained but does not evolve as it will be replaced in
a few months by MDT Papyrus.

I also read that development of MDT UML2 for
> Helios (which is required by Acceleo which in turn is required by
> Topcased) has slowed or stopped.
MDT UML2 is the reference Eclipse implementation of OMG UML
specification. I have not heard about stopping this initiative. But as
UML2 is part of Helios release train, much effort has been put to
deliver a release integrated to helios. Now that Helios has been
delivered it is not suprising that the development ryhthm slows a little
bit before developing new features.

I have had trouble installing Topcased
Did you mention your troubles on TOPCASED user mailing list?
consider posting on topcased-users@lists.gforge.enseeiht.fr


> 4.0.0 and now www.topcased.org is down.
It is back (server issue with disk space lacking).

I must say I'm confused with the
> situation!
>
> Is MDT Papyrus still alive?
Yes, sure and the 0.7.0 has just been released last 14th of july. You
can download it and test it.

> Is MDT Papyrus part of UML2?
No, Eclipse MDT Papyrus and Eclipse MDT UML2 are two different
components of the Eclipse MDT project. MDT Papyrus relies on MDT UML2 as
MDT UML2 provides the UML2 model and Papyrus provides the graphical
representation of UML model and associated profiles.

> Is / should MDT Papyrus be part of Helios?
MDT Papyrus could not join the Helios release train (the list of all
integrated Eclipse components that belong to the Helios distribution) as
it was not advanved enough to reach all conditions required by the
Helios train. So it is not part of Helios release train but it can be
downloaded through the modeling discovery of Helios.
We expect MDT Papyrus to join the Eclipse release train for next major
release (june 2011).

On the Eclipse Helios
> projects page (here: http://www.eclipse.org/helios/projects.php), MDT
> UML2 is listed as a project but does not seem to be installed when I
> browse my Helios installation.
Well, this is a question for Eclipse UML2 forum. But I'm quite sure that
UML2 is installed.

> How is MDT Papyrus related to Topcased?
MDT Papyrus targets model-based graphical editors including UML editor
and SysML editor, and provides SDK to create any editor based on EMF
metamodel or on UML profile.
TOPCASED is a complete modeling platform that contains graphical
model-based editors. The TOPCASED UML and SysML editors will be replaced
by MDT papyrus UML and SysML editors in a few months (probably on the
very beginning of 2011).

>
> Thanks for your time.
no problem, with pleasure.
Kind regards,
kind regards
raphaël (TOPCASED team and MDT Papyrus team)

>
> James
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #552709 is a reply to message #552698] Fri, 13 August 2010 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Willink is currently offline Ed Willink
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi James, Raphaël
>
> I also read that development of MDT UML2 for
>> Helios (which is required by Acceleo which in turn is required by
>> Topcased) has slowed or stopped.
> MDT UML2 is the reference Eclipse implementation of OMG UML
> specification. I have not heard about stopping this initiative. But as
> UML2 is part of Helios release train, much effort has been put to
> deliver a release integrated to helios. Now that Helios has been
> delivered it is not suprising that the development ryhthm slows a little
> bit before developing new features.

I think there is some confusion here.

The UML2-Tools project is very lacking in committers and did not join
the Helios release train. A Helios build has been produced but is not
fully promoted to the normal downlod locations. It is unlikely that
UML2-Tools will be reborn since Papyrus replaces it. Both provide
GMF-based UML diagrams. I think Papyrus is more model-driven.

The UML2 project has just Kenn Hussey as an official committer so there
is less committer support than there was, but there is no question of
the UML2 project failing. If anything, it is likely to evolve at least
slightly as projects such as Papyrus and OCL improve overall modeling
support.

Regards

Ed Willink
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #553042 is a reply to message #552455] Mon, 16 August 2010 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Gadbury is currently offline James Gadbury
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Registered: August 2010
Junior Member
Thank you Raphaël and Edward. All is much more clear now. Hopefully the questions and answers will help others that may also have been confused with the situation.

Kind regards,

James
Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #557262 is a reply to message #552455] Mon, 06 September 2010 10:56 Go to previous message
Niklas is currently offline Niklas
Messages: 2
Registered: September 2010
Junior Member
Hi,

Is there a schedule for when 0.7.1 is due for release?

Thanks,

Niklas

[Updated on: Mon, 06 September 2010 10:56]

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Re: Confused about MDT Papyrus, Topcased and UML2 [message #606000 is a reply to message #552698] Fri, 13 August 2010 08:51 Go to previous message
Ed Willink is currently offline Ed Willink
Messages: 4116
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi James, Raphaël
>
> I also read that development of MDT UML2 for
>> Helios (which is required by Acceleo which in turn is required by
>> Topcased) has slowed or stopped.
> MDT UML2 is the reference Eclipse implementation of OMG UML
> specification. I have not heard about stopping this initiative. But as
> UML2 is part of Helios release train, much effort has been put to
> deliver a release integrated to helios. Now that Helios has been
> delivered it is not suprising that the development ryhthm slows a little
> bit before developing new features.

I think there is some confusion here.

The UML2-Tools project is very lacking in committers and did not join
the Helios release train. A Helios build has been produced but is not
fully promoted to the normal downlod locations. It is unlikely that
UML2-Tools will be reborn since Papyrus replaces it. Both provide
GMF-based UML diagrams. I think Papyrus is more model-driven.

The UML2 project has just Kenn Hussey as an official committer so there
is less committer support than there was, but there is no question of
the UML2 project failing. If anything, it is likely to evolve at least
slightly as projects such as Papyrus and OCL improve overall modeling
support.

Regards

Ed Willink
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