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Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #542600] Fri, 25 June 2010 12:02 Go to next message
vlad.balan Missing name is currently offline vlad.balan Missing nameFriend
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Hello,

what is the difference between these terms. You can find these in Software Updates/ The Eclipse Project Updates / Uncategorized

Thanks.

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Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #542609 is a reply to message #542600] Fri, 25 June 2010 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As in
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.6-20 1006080911/index.php

There are different components that make up eclipse. Eclipse SDK is
everything, PDE, JDT, Platform, Equinox + source.

Equinox is the OSGi framework plus other core runtime

Platform provides the frameworks for most of the other components. JDT
is the java development tooling, and PDE is plugin development (depends
on JDT).

If they offer a Runtime vs SDK, like Platform Runtime and Platform SDK,
the different is the SDK version has all of the source plugins.

PW

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Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #542620 is a reply to message #542609] Fri, 25 June 2010 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks, but going back to the question:

what is Eclipse Platform SDK and Eclipse Project SDK
Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #542654 is a reply to message #542620] Fri, 25 June 2010 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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vlad.balan wrote:
> Thanks, but going back to the question:
>
> what is Eclipse Platform SDK and Eclipse Project SDK

I'm not sure what the Eclipse Project SDK is. It's not part of classic
eclipse. The Eclipse Platform SDK is the Platform UI/IDE/Framework
support, Resources perspective, + Equinox runtime (and all their source).

Maybe they use that interchangeably with the Eclipse Classic SDK?

PW



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Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #542702 is a reply to message #542654] Fri, 25 June 2010 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks. What's the difference if there are sources bundled or not as in Platform vs. Platform SDK.

I also notice there is no Eclipse SDK w/o sources but only Eclipse SDK wich has the sources. Why?
Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #542709 is a reply to message #542702] Fri, 25 June 2010 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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vlad.balan wrote:
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> I also notice there is no Eclipse SDK w/o sources but only Eclipse SDK
> wich has the sources. Why?

Because it includes PDE, and doing plugin development without the source
or schema is a non-starter.

PW

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Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #542993 is a reply to message #542702] Mon, 28 June 2010 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Il 25/06/2010 18.36, vlad.balan ha scritto:
> I also notice there is no Eclipse SDK w/o sources but only Eclipse SDK
> wich has the sources. Why?

If you do not plan to write Eclipse plugins, you may download just the
runtime at:
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.6-20 1006080911/index.php

The minimal thing you need is the Eclipse Platform Runtime Binary. From
there, using update manager, you are able to install just the single
plugins you need (ex.: JDT, WTP, TPTP, Mylyn, etc.). I always do in this
way.

Mauro.
Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #543037 is a reply to message #542993] Mon, 28 June 2010 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks. The question is more about the definitions of these 3 terms

Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK


When is Platfom SDK useful for example?
Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #543043 is a reply to message #543037] Mon, 28 June 2010 09:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Il 28/06/2010 11.25, vlad.balan ha scritto:
> When is Platfom SDK useful for example?

When you need the sources of the Eclipse Platform to work with.

The difference between the different bundles is about what
plugins/components are in.

By the way, I never read about an "Eclipse Project SDK", I think it's
mispelling of "Eclipse SDK". See:
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.6-20 1006080911/index.php

Mauro.
Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #543865 is a reply to message #543037] Wed, 30 June 2010 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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vlad.balan wrote on Mon, 28 June 2010 05:25
Thanks. The question is more about the definitions of these 3 terms

Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK


When is Platfom SDK useful for example?


Eclipse is often used to mean the Eclipse Project, so they are synonymous. Eclipse Platform is a subset of the Eclipse Project. "SDK" means it comes with source code and javadoc in the integrated help system.
(Note, that's useful only if you accept the bogus assumption that your target runtime platform and your IDE are one in the same)
Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #543943 is a reply to message #543865] Thu, 01 July 2010 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Note, that's useful only if you accept the bogus assumption "

A bogus assumption is never accepted i guess. So this sentence does not make sense to me.

So Eclipse Platform SDK is never useful?
Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #543978 is a reply to message #543943] Thu, 01 July 2010 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Il 01/07/2010 9.30, vlad.balan ha scritto:
> So Eclipse Platform SDK is never useful?

Let's try to say it in another way! :-)

Do you need to develop Eclipse? An Eclipse plugin? An application based
on the Eclipse Platform (http://www.eclipse.org/platform/)?

If the reply to any of the questions is YES, then you need the SDK.

In all the other cases, the answer is you can just use the runtime.

Mauro.
Re: Ecmlipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #543997 is a reply to message #543978] Thu, 01 July 2010 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks but i didn't understand Randy's phrase:

"(Note, that's useful only if you accept the bogus assumption that your target runtime platform and your IDE are one in the same) "


In any case, in what particular case is Eclipse Platform SDK sufficient in comparison to Eclipse SDK.
Re: Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #544060 is a reply to message #543997] Thu, 01 July 2010 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As Mauro Molinari was saying, the SDK could be useful when you yourself are not just using eclipse as an IDE, but also developing plugins for eclipse. But, if you're not developing plug-ins that make use of the JDT, PDE, etc., then you don't need the whole eclipse project and its source code. Also, imagine you're developing plug-ins for eclipse 3.5, but you're using eclipse 3.6 for development. So, you download both the 3.5 and 3.6 versions of the eclipse SDK. You launch 3.6, and configure the PDE to use 3.5 as your target runtime. But the help system plug-ins (API reference, javadoc, etc.) in your target 3.5 SDK aren't accessible from your IDE (3.6 SDK). Similarly, if you are developing something that needs EMF, GEF, etc., and you add their SDKs to your 3.5 target (not your IDE), then you won't have their help plug-ins in your IDE either.

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Re: Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #544084 is a reply to message #544060] Thu, 01 July 2010 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"So, you download both the 3.5 and 3.6 versions of the eclipse SDK"

What i don't understand is why you need 2 times the sources: once ofr the IDE and for the target?

Let's say i understand the need for sources in the sens that maybe you need to modify them. Otherwise the compiled code would be enought to compile my source code against.

But why source code from 2 locations: the IDE SDK and the target SDK.

Re: Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #544099 is a reply to message #544084] Thu, 01 July 2010 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Having the source is one of MAJOR advantages of OpenSource. You can step
through it with the debugger, you can look at the implementation if the
documentation is not good enough, ... .

Tom

Am 01.07.10 16:37, schrieb vlad.balan:
> "So, you download both the 3.5 and 3.6 versions of the eclipse SDK"
>
> What i don't understand is why you need 2 times the sources: once ofr
> the IDE and for the target?
>
> Let's say i understand the need for sources in the sens that maybe you
> need to modify them. Otherwise the compiled code would be enought to
> compile my source code against.
>
> But why source code from 2 locations: the IDE SDK and the target SDK.
>
>
Re: Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #544101 is a reply to message #544099] Thu, 01 July 2010 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The questions is why source code for the target and for the IDE in the same time as Randy suggests.
Re: Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #544103 is a reply to message #544099] Thu, 01 July 2010 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vlad,
The responders to your posts seem to be having a problem understanding what
you are asking. You seem to understand the concept of an SDK and why it is
not included in the binary download.

Your question appears to be related to which SDK you need to download.
There are are 3 different SDKs included in the Helios release that have
similar names, Eclipse SDK, Eclipse Platform SDK, and Eclipse Project SDK.
I noticed this as well. The Available Software dialog for installing on
Helios doesn't give any additional information to the user distinguish
between the different SDKs. You seem to want to know what source files are
included in each. Say for example you want to make a change to JDT, which
SDK do you need to download to get the source for JDT. Is it Eclipse SDK,
Eclipse Platform SDK, or Eclipse Project SDK.

What types of development does the Eclipse SDK support?

What types of development does the Eclpse Platform SDK support?

What types of development does the Eclipse Project SDK support?

Unfortunatly, I don't have an answer for you. Hopefully some of the other
responders will now realize what you are asking and be able to explain the
difference between these 3 SDKs.


"Tom Schindl" <tom.schindl@bestsolution.at> wrote in message
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> Having the source is one of MAJOR advantages of OpenSource. You can step
> through it with the debugger, you can look at the implementation if the
> documentation is not good enough, ... .
>
> Tom
>
> Am 01.07.10 16:37, schrieb vlad.balan:
>> "So, you download both the 3.5 and 3.6 versions of the eclipse SDK"
>>
>> What i don't understand is why you need 2 times the sources: once ofr
>> the IDE and for the target?
>>
>> Let's say i understand the need for sources in the sens that maybe you
>> need to modify them. Otherwise the compiled code would be enought to
>> compile my source code against.
>>
>> But why source code from 2 locations: the IDE SDK and the target SDK.
>>
>>
>
Re: Eclipse SDK vs. Eclipse Platform SDK vs. Eclipse Project SDK [message #544108 is a reply to message #544103] Thu, 01 July 2010 15:33 Go to previous message
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Randy,

in your scenario, why have the Eclipse SDK 3.6 for the IDE and not just Eclipse Platform IDE 3.6 + JDT + PDE, without sources.

I understand the need for Eclipse SDK 3.5 for the target because it includes source code i may need (btw - would i need the source code of PDE itself ? ) when developping a plug-in.
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