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Scout and E4? [message #531521] Wed, 05 May 2010 09:56 Go to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
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Hi,

I noticed in your Wiki examples an example using FilterConfigInjection.

E4 is quoted several times in the proposal. and as you know, parts of E4 use
JSR-330 (DI Standard) already.
So what are the plans for Scout in this direction? Are you working to get
@Inject into such examples, too?
Using the class here makes a very familiar impression on people who worked
with Guice and/or other DI frameworks anyway ;-)

Werner
Re: Scout and E4? [message #531569 is a reply to message #531521] Wed, 05 May 2010 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ivan Motsch is currently offline Ivan Motsch
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Hi Werner,

thanks for the input. Yes, we are focusing on DI concepts.
However so far we felt not ready to get set with a certain DI implementation. As with regard to JSR-330 eclipse scout is open to such annotations as it bases on plain java coding concepts.

The issues we face are not in the specification of jsr 330 but in the field of Injector (implementations):
- server side: java ee 6 has DI, server-side equinox has not (yet), how can these be combined?
- server side: server-side equinox stand-alone, what injector impl should be used / can be used, what is planned there?
- gui side: DI in forms (IForm) and pages (IPage) are solved for now using the scout "getConfigured" and "exec" methods with annotations therefor. This way scout in fact creates a base for later DI capabilities without change of existing code.

Do you know CDI/WELD ?

What are the plans for e4 with respect to osgi services DI and server-side equinox (if any) ?
Re: Scout and E4? [message #532109 is a reply to message #531569] Fri, 07 May 2010 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
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"Ivan" <ivan.motsch@bsiag.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:hrrpfr$8ff$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Werner,
>
> thanks for the input. Yes, we are focusing on DI concepts.
> However so far we felt not ready to get set with a certain DI
> implementation. As with regard to JSR-330 eclipse scout is open to such
> annotations as it bases on plain java coding concepts.
> The issues we face are not in the specification of jsr 330 but in the
> field of Injector (implementations):
> - server side: java ee 6 has DI, server-side equinox has not (yet), how
> can these be combined?
> - server side: server-side equinox stand-alone, what injector impl should
> be used / can be used, what is planned there?
> - gui side: DI in forms (IForm) and pages (IPage) are solved for now using
> the scout "getConfigured" and "exec" methods with annotations therefor.
> This way scout in fact creates a base for later DI capabilities without
> change of existing code.
>
> Do you know CDI/WELD ?

Sure, I was among those reviewing and accepting it at JCP (EC member ;-)
Plus I'm also in JSR-316, the Java EE 6 Umbrella.

Which is why our Spec Lead there (or legal departments at least while it was
still Sun) is pretty sensitive to terms like J2EE or JEE ;-)

> What are the plans for e4 with respect to osgi services DI and server-side
> equinox (if any) ?
Please ask Boris Bokovski from E4, he's both in the 330 EG and leads part of
E4

Werner
Re: Scout and E4? [message #532110 is a reply to message #532109] Fri, 07 May 2010 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
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P.s.: I was just trying to point a TA Exec (responsible for the CRM project
I mentioned with loads of interesting concepts, Logging via Apache MINA and
SWT PageFlows are the only 2 I wanna mention, since they are based on
neutral concepts or Open Source technologies)

Finding, the list of Eclipse projects under Technology doesn't even "know"
Scout ?!

Please fix that, else people really think it doesn't exist or is some kind
of "Area 51" within Eclipse ;-)
Re: Scout and E4? [message #541808 is a reply to message #532110] Tue, 22 June 2010 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matthias Zimmermann is currently offline Matthias Zimmermann
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"Area 51" issue finally fixed, thanks Wink
Re: Scout and E4? [message #545129 is a reply to message #541808] Tue, 06 July 2010 17:38 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
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At least the proposal page still points to itself, not the actual project
page ;-)
Re: Scout and E4? [message #580486 is a reply to message #531521] Wed, 05 May 2010 12:49 Go to previous message
Ivan Motsch is currently offline Ivan Motsch
Messages: 100
Registered: March 2010
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Hi Werner,

thanks for the input. Yes, we are focusing on DI concepts.
However so far we felt not ready to get set with a certain DI implementation. As with regard to JSR-330 eclipse scout is open to such annotations as it bases on plain java coding concepts.

The issues we face are not in the specification of jsr 330 but in the field of Injector (implementations):
- server side: java ee 6 has DI, server-side equinox has not (yet), how can these be combined?
- server side: server-side equinox stand-alone, what injector impl should be used / can be used, what is planned there?
- gui side: DI in forms (IForm) and pages (IPage) are solved for now using the scout "getConfigured" and "exec" methods with annotations therefor. This way scout in fact creates a base for later DI capabilities without change of existing code.

Do you know CDI/WELD ?

What are the plans for e4 with respect to osgi services DI and server-side equinox (if any) ?
Re: Scout and E4? [message #580497 is a reply to message #580486] Fri, 07 May 2010 08:25 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"Ivan" <ivan.motsch@bsiag.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:hrrpfr$8ff$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Werner,
>
> thanks for the input. Yes, we are focusing on DI concepts.
> However so far we felt not ready to get set with a certain DI
> implementation. As with regard to JSR-330 eclipse scout is open to such
> annotations as it bases on plain java coding concepts.
> The issues we face are not in the specification of jsr 330 but in the
> field of Injector (implementations):
> - server side: java ee 6 has DI, server-side equinox has not (yet), how
> can these be combined?
> - server side: server-side equinox stand-alone, what injector impl should
> be used / can be used, what is planned there?
> - gui side: DI in forms (IForm) and pages (IPage) are solved for now using
> the scout "getConfigured" and "exec" methods with annotations therefor.
> This way scout in fact creates a base for later DI capabilities without
> change of existing code.
>
> Do you know CDI/WELD ?

Sure, I was among those reviewing and accepting it at JCP (EC member ;-)
Plus I'm also in JSR-316, the Java EE 6 Umbrella.

Which is why our Spec Lead there (or legal departments at least while it was
still Sun) is pretty sensitive to terms like J2EE or JEE ;-)

> What are the plans for e4 with respect to osgi services DI and server-side
> equinox (if any) ?
Please ask Boris Bokovski from E4, he's both in the 330 EG and leads part of
E4

Werner
Re: Scout and E4? [message #580502 is a reply to message #532109] Fri, 07 May 2010 08:28 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
P.s.: I was just trying to point a TA Exec (responsible for the CRM project
I mentioned with loads of interesting concepts, Logging via Apache MINA and
SWT PageFlows are the only 2 I wanna mention, since they are based on
neutral concepts or Open Source technologies)

Finding, the list of Eclipse projects under Technology doesn't even "know"
Scout ?!

Please fix that, else people really think it doesn't exist or is some kind
of "Area 51" within Eclipse ;-)
Re: Scout and E4? [message #581328 is a reply to message #532110] Tue, 22 June 2010 15:13 Go to previous message
Matthias Zimmermann is currently offline Matthias Zimmermann
Messages: 81
Registered: February 2010
Member
"Area 51" issue finally fixed, thanks ;)
Re: Scout and E4? [message #582437 is a reply to message #581328] Tue, 06 July 2010 17:38 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
At least the proposal page still points to itself, not the actual project
page ;-)
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