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couple of useability questions [message #525126] Tue, 21 April 2009 11:41 Go to next message
steve orobec is currently offline steve orobec
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi

I've just started using amalgam and I like it.

I have previously used a commercial GMF based tool & the vanilla
Eclipse. I liked the commercial product but it seems that amalgam gives
a bit better low level support ie creation of gmfmap and generator
models when doing complex things.

I noticed that when I create a gmfmap diagram that my DSL attributes are
not automatically created unlike in commercial tools. This may be a bit
of a pain if I need to recreate the file. Is there an easier way of
doing adding attributes?

Also I note that if I make changes to the gmfmap etc, the gmfgen doesn't
seem to be updated automatically. Is there a way of ensuring my
gmfgen is updated?


I had a look but I didn't notice a way of creating figure gallery (as
found in the commercial tools - does this exist? I'm thinking of the
ability to set RGB colours etc ;)

regards
Steve
Re: couple of useability questions [message #525127 is a reply to message #525126] Tue, 21 April 2009 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Gronback is currently offline Richard Gronback
Messages: 605
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Steve (or is it Bill?),

If I'm thinking of the right commercial product you're referring to, and I
think I am, I've tried to answer your questions below...

Best,
Rich


On 4/21/09 11:41 AM, in article gskpfh$1lo$1@build.eclipse.org, "Bill Hinge"
<steve.orobec@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've just started using amalgam and I like it.
>
> I have previously used a commercial GMF based tool & the vanilla
> Eclipse. I liked the commercial product but it seems that amalgam gives
> a bit better low level support ie creation of gmfmap and generator
> models when doing complex things.

Well, the commercial tool provided the same capabilities, though hidden by
default.

> I noticed that when I create a gmfmap diagram that my DSL attributes are
> not automatically created unlike in commercial tools. This may be a bit
> of a pain if I need to recreate the file. Is there an easier way of
> doing adding attributes?

Not really. Aside from the wizard provided by GMF, there is nothing more
related to this in Amalgam.

> Also I note that if I make changes to the gmfmap etc, the gmfgen doesn't
> seem to be updated automatically. Is there a way of ensuring my
> gmfgen is updated?

Sorry, that's another commercial-only feature. You'll need to manually
regenerate the gmfgen from the gmfmap when you make changes.

> I had a look but I didn't notice a way of creating figure gallery (as
> found in the commercial tools - does this exist? I'm thinking of the
> ability to set RGB colours etc ;)

Sorry again, the concept of a figure gallery is also commercial-only.
Really, it's just a fancy gmfgraph editor.

> regards
> Steve

--
Thanks,
Rich
Re: couple of useability questions [message #525128 is a reply to message #525127] Tue, 21 April 2009 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
steve orobec is currently offline steve orobec
Messages: 156
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Rich

Yes it is Steve (Bill Hinge is a web alias I often use - I was born in a
place called Billinge ;-). Still pushing the case for GMF and seem to be
making progress


Thanks for the quick responses.

I tried to import across into the commercial product (am I allowed to
mention it ?) but I had a few inconsistencies. I've normally stuck with
the default wizard settings but I have tried several of the features.
I may try again next week if I have more time but the manual method
on amalgam seems to be working. There is a crude satisfaction in doing
everything manually though ;)

I may have some other questions later on if you don't mind. I split my
DSL into several ecore files and I'm using references to UML and Ecore
plugins etc. So far I've created a couple of gmf editors based on two of
the ecores so I think I'm getting a feel for how things may work.

I've now got a paper copy of your book to work from so that should help.

regards
Steve


Richard Gronback wrote:
> Hi Steve (or is it Bill?),
>
> If I'm thinking of the right commercial product you're referring to, and I
> think I am, I've tried to answer your questions below...
>
> Best,
> Rich
>
>
> On 4/21/09 11:41 AM, in article gskpfh$1lo$1@build.eclipse.org, "Bill Hinge"
> <steve.orobec@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just started using amalgam and I like it.
>>
>> I have previously used a commercial GMF based tool & the vanilla
>> Eclipse. I liked the commercial product but it seems that amalgam gives
>> a bit better low level support ie creation of gmfmap and generator
>> models when doing complex things.
>
> Well, the commercial tool provided the same capabilities, though hidden by
> default.
>
>> I noticed that when I create a gmfmap diagram that my DSL attributes are
>> not automatically created unlike in commercial tools. This may be a bit
>> of a pain if I need to recreate the file. Is there an easier way of
>> doing adding attributes?
>
> Not really. Aside from the wizard provided by GMF, there is nothing more
> related to this in Amalgam.
>
>> Also I note that if I make changes to the gmfmap etc, the gmfgen doesn't
>> seem to be updated automatically. Is there a way of ensuring my
>> gmfgen is updated?
>
> Sorry, that's another commercial-only feature. You'll need to manually
> regenerate the gmfgen from the gmfmap when you make changes.
>
>> I had a look but I didn't notice a way of creating figure gallery (as
>> found in the commercial tools - does this exist? I'm thinking of the
>> ability to set RGB colours etc ;)
>
> Sorry again, the concept of a figure gallery is also commercial-only.
> Really, it's just a fancy gmfgraph editor.
>
>> regards
>> Steve
>
Re: couple of useability questions [message #525129 is a reply to message #525127] Tue, 21 April 2009 12:37 Go to previous message
steve orobec is currently offline steve orobec
Messages: 156
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Rich

Yes it is Steve (Bill Hinge is a web alias I often use - I was born in a
place called Billinge ;-). Still pushing the case for GMF and seem to be
making progress


Thanks for the quick responses.

I tried to import across into the commercial product (am I allowed to
mention it ?) but I had a few inconsistencies. I've normally stuck with
the default wizard settings but I have tried several of the features.
I may try again next week if I have more time but the manual method
on amalgam seems to be working. There is a crude satisfaction in doing
everything manually though ;)

I may have some other questions later on if you don't mind. I split my
DSL into several ecore files and I'm using references to UML and Ecore
plugins etc. So far I've created a couple of gmf editors based on two of
the ecores so I think I'm getting a feel for how things may work.

I've now got a paper copy of your book to work from so that should help.

regards
Steve


Richard Gronback wrote:
> Hi Steve (or is it Bill?),
>
> If I'm thinking of the right commercial product you're referring to, and I
> think I am, I've tried to answer your questions below...
>
> Best,
> Rich
>
>
> On 4/21/09 11:41 AM, in article gskpfh$1lo$1@build.eclipse.org, "Bill Hinge"
> <steve.orobec@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just started using amalgam and I like it.
>>
>> I have previously used a commercial GMF based tool & the vanilla
>> Eclipse. I liked the commercial product but it seems that amalgam gives
>> a bit better low level support ie creation of gmfmap and generator
>> models when doing complex things.
>
> Well, the commercial tool provided the same capabilities, though hidden by
> default.
>
>> I noticed that when I create a gmfmap diagram that my DSL attributes are
>> not automatically created unlike in commercial tools. This may be a bit
>> of a pain if I need to recreate the file. Is there an easier way of
>> doing adding attributes?
>
> Not really. Aside from the wizard provided by GMF, there is nothing more
> related to this in Amalgam.
>
>> Also I note that if I make changes to the gmfmap etc, the gmfgen doesn't
>> seem to be updated automatically. Is there a way of ensuring my
>> gmfgen is updated?
>
> Sorry, that's another commercial-only feature. You'll need to manually
> regenerate the gmfgen from the gmfmap when you make changes.
>
>> I had a look but I didn't notice a way of creating figure gallery (as
>> found in the commercial tools - does this exist? I'm thinking of the
>> ability to set RGB colours etc ;)
>
> Sorry again, the concept of a figure gallery is also commercial-only.
> Really, it's just a fancy gmfgraph editor.
>
>> regards
>> Steve
>
Re: couple of useability questions [message #562502 is a reply to message #525126] Tue, 21 April 2009 11:59 Go to previous message
Richard Gronback is currently offline Richard Gronback
Messages: 605
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Steve (or is it Bill?),

If I'm thinking of the right commercial product you're referring to, and I
think I am, I've tried to answer your questions below...

Best,
Rich


On 4/21/09 11:41 AM, in article gskpfh$1lo$1@build.eclipse.org, "Bill Hinge"
<steve.orobec@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've just started using amalgam and I like it.
>
> I have previously used a commercial GMF based tool & the vanilla
> Eclipse. I liked the commercial product but it seems that amalgam gives
> a bit better low level support ie creation of gmfmap and generator
> models when doing complex things.

Well, the commercial tool provided the same capabilities, though hidden by
default.

> I noticed that when I create a gmfmap diagram that my DSL attributes are
> not automatically created unlike in commercial tools. This may be a bit
> of a pain if I need to recreate the file. Is there an easier way of
> doing adding attributes?

Not really. Aside from the wizard provided by GMF, there is nothing more
related to this in Amalgam.

> Also I note that if I make changes to the gmfmap etc, the gmfgen doesn't
> seem to be updated automatically. Is there a way of ensuring my
> gmfgen is updated?

Sorry, that's another commercial-only feature. You'll need to manually
regenerate the gmfgen from the gmfmap when you make changes.

> I had a look but I didn't notice a way of creating figure gallery (as
> found in the commercial tools - does this exist? I'm thinking of the
> ability to set RGB colours etc ;)

Sorry again, the concept of a figure gallery is also commercial-only.
Really, it's just a fancy gmfgraph editor.

> regards
> Steve

--
Thanks,
Rich
Re: couple of useability questions [message #562523 is a reply to message #525127] Tue, 21 April 2009 12:37 Go to previous message
steve orobec is currently offline steve orobec
Messages: 156
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Rich

Yes it is Steve (Bill Hinge is a web alias I often use - I was born in a
place called Billinge ;-). Still pushing the case for GMF and seem to be
making progress


Thanks for the quick responses.

I tried to import across into the commercial product (am I allowed to
mention it ?) but I had a few inconsistencies. I've normally stuck with
the default wizard settings but I have tried several of the features.
I may try again next week if I have more time but the manual method
on amalgam seems to be working. There is a crude satisfaction in doing
everything manually though ;)

I may have some other questions later on if you don't mind. I split my
DSL into several ecore files and I'm using references to UML and Ecore
plugins etc. So far I've created a couple of gmf editors based on two of
the ecores so I think I'm getting a feel for how things may work.

I've now got a paper copy of your book to work from so that should help.

regards
Steve


Richard Gronback wrote:
> Hi Steve (or is it Bill?),
>
> If I'm thinking of the right commercial product you're referring to, and I
> think I am, I've tried to answer your questions below...
>
> Best,
> Rich
>
>
> On 4/21/09 11:41 AM, in article gskpfh$1lo$1@build.eclipse.org, "Bill Hinge"
> <steve.orobec@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just started using amalgam and I like it.
>>
>> I have previously used a commercial GMF based tool & the vanilla
>> Eclipse. I liked the commercial product but it seems that amalgam gives
>> a bit better low level support ie creation of gmfmap and generator
>> models when doing complex things.
>
> Well, the commercial tool provided the same capabilities, though hidden by
> default.
>
>> I noticed that when I create a gmfmap diagram that my DSL attributes are
>> not automatically created unlike in commercial tools. This may be a bit
>> of a pain if I need to recreate the file. Is there an easier way of
>> doing adding attributes?
>
> Not really. Aside from the wizard provided by GMF, there is nothing more
> related to this in Amalgam.
>
>> Also I note that if I make changes to the gmfmap etc, the gmfgen doesn't
>> seem to be updated automatically. Is there a way of ensuring my
>> gmfgen is updated?
>
> Sorry, that's another commercial-only feature. You'll need to manually
> regenerate the gmfgen from the gmfmap when you make changes.
>
>> I had a look but I didn't notice a way of creating figure gallery (as
>> found in the commercial tools - does this exist? I'm thinking of the
>> ability to set RGB colours etc ;)
>
> Sorry again, the concept of a figure gallery is also commercial-only.
> Really, it's just a fancy gmfgraph editor.
>
>> regards
>> Steve
>
Re: couple of useability questions [message #562548 is a reply to message #525127] Tue, 21 April 2009 12:37 Go to previous message
steve orobec is currently offline steve orobec
Messages: 156
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Rich

Yes it is Steve (Bill Hinge is a web alias I often use - I was born in a
place called Billinge ;-). Still pushing the case for GMF and seem to be
making progress


Thanks for the quick responses.

I tried to import across into the commercial product (am I allowed to
mention it ?) but I had a few inconsistencies. I've normally stuck with
the default wizard settings but I have tried several of the features.
I may try again next week if I have more time but the manual method
on amalgam seems to be working. There is a crude satisfaction in doing
everything manually though ;)

I may have some other questions later on if you don't mind. I split my
DSL into several ecore files and I'm using references to UML and Ecore
plugins etc. So far I've created a couple of gmf editors based on two of
the ecores so I think I'm getting a feel for how things may work.

I've now got a paper copy of your book to work from so that should help.

regards
Steve


Richard Gronback wrote:
> Hi Steve (or is it Bill?),
>
> If I'm thinking of the right commercial product you're referring to, and I
> think I am, I've tried to answer your questions below...
>
> Best,
> Rich
>
>
> On 4/21/09 11:41 AM, in article gskpfh$1lo$1@build.eclipse.org, "Bill Hinge"
> <steve.orobec@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just started using amalgam and I like it.
>>
>> I have previously used a commercial GMF based tool & the vanilla
>> Eclipse. I liked the commercial product but it seems that amalgam gives
>> a bit better low level support ie creation of gmfmap and generator
>> models when doing complex things.
>
> Well, the commercial tool provided the same capabilities, though hidden by
> default.
>
>> I noticed that when I create a gmfmap diagram that my DSL attributes are
>> not automatically created unlike in commercial tools. This may be a bit
>> of a pain if I need to recreate the file. Is there an easier way of
>> doing adding attributes?
>
> Not really. Aside from the wizard provided by GMF, there is nothing more
> related to this in Amalgam.
>
>> Also I note that if I make changes to the gmfmap etc, the gmfgen doesn't
>> seem to be updated automatically. Is there a way of ensuring my
>> gmfgen is updated?
>
> Sorry, that's another commercial-only feature. You'll need to manually
> regenerate the gmfgen from the gmfmap when you make changes.
>
>> I had a look but I didn't notice a way of creating figure gallery (as
>> found in the commercial tools - does this exist? I'm thinking of the
>> ability to set RGB colours etc ;)
>
> Sorry again, the concept of a figure gallery is also commercial-only.
> Really, it's just a fancy gmfgraph editor.
>
>> regards
>> Steve
>
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