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icon5.gif  recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #516148] Mon, 22 February 2010 16:07 Go to next message
elhanan Maayan is currently offline elhanan Maayan
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hi..

we are currently in the process of upgrading from eclipse 3.0 to 3.5.1, in the previous release the entire eclipse directory was shard in one folder, (including a main custom plugin) and each user had it's own workspace in the network.

i maintained, that an eclipse install should be placed in each user's machine, and the custom plug-in be updated using the update manager from an internal http server (being configured automatically) this way users could revert back to previous plug in version, in case of a problem.

this would also save resources as machine won't load up hundreds of megabytes each time from the file server.

my questions is this. aside from configuration of update manager to look for updates at an interval time, is there a away an administrator could create an initiated update of the plug-in , whether eclipse runs in users' machines or not?

are there other options for configs i'm missing, ? mind you, there are plans to allow running eclipse outside the organization's intranet.

i've read this as well:
http://help.eclipse.org/galileo/topic/org.eclipse.platform.d oc.isv/reference/misc/multi_user_installs.html
Re: recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #516290 is a reply to message #516148] Tue, 23 February 2010 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Webster is currently offline Paul Webster
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You can also take the eclipse install and "pre-install" common plugins
that you provide. ex: before I start an SDK I use the p2 director (from
a different install) to add the releng tools:

$baseInstall/eclipse/eclipse \
-application org.eclipse.equinox.p2.director \
-consoleLog -noSplash \
-repository http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.6-I-builds \
-destination $targetDir/eclipse \
-profile SDKProfile \
-installIU org.eclipse.releng.tools.feature.group


See
http://help.eclipse.org/galileo/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse .platform.doc.isv/guide/p2_director.html

The Multi-user install page you've shown works well for creating one
install (on a server or multi-user machine) and then having everybody
use it (useful on linux, for example, where it would be installed as
root but run as a normal user).

PW


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Re: recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #516457 is a reply to message #516290] Tue, 23 February 2010 23:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
elhanan Maayan is currently offline elhanan Maayan
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you mean create a regular install image, and have p2director install the custom plugin?

i'm currently split between having a network install which would mean a common files which could be changed easily, but would mean a huge amount of network traffic, and a local install.

it would be nice to have something like .net click once, where you activate a network short cut. and the first time it installs the application, and uses it, and each time it would install onkl updates if there are anyl
Re: recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #516584 is a reply to message #516457] Wed, 24 February 2010 03:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Webster is currently offline Paul Webster
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elhanan wrote:
> you mean create a regular install image, and have p2director install the
> custom plugin?

And then distribute that as the base for your users to create their
local installs.

> it would be nice to have something like .net click once, where you
> activate a network short cut. and the first time it installs the
> application, and uses it, and each time it would install onkl updates if
> there are anyl

If you configure the base distribution correctly the users can do the
local main install once and then only install updates. Your users can
also use the p2 Installer to create the entire base install from remote
repositories.

PW

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Re: recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #516833 is a reply to message #516148] Thu, 25 February 2010 05:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
elhanan Maayan is currently offline elhanan Maayan
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by users you mean cobol developers? or the person developing the plug-ins, currently the developers should be minimaly involved in the installatin, they should just have it running.
Re: recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #516919 is a reply to message #516833] Thu, 25 February 2010 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Webster is currently offline Paul Webster
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elhanan wrote:
> by users you mean cobol developers?

Yes, they should be able to take your base install, unzip it, and go.
Then as time goes on it will check for updates.

PW


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Re: recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #516947 is a reply to message #516148] Thu, 25 February 2010 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
elhanan Maayan is currently offline elhanan Maayan
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yea, here's the thing, i don't want them even to unzip it.

right now all they have is a short cut to the main install on the network.

i'm kinda torn between 2 conflicting demands. the first is have minimum fuss over install, but that would mean hundrends of mb over the netwok traffic each time they use eclipse. that would also won't work on lan network.
the 2nd, is using local install of all the base plugins, (i'm currently looking for a way to get eclipse without the jdt even) have that install even on the network as readonly, then i re-distribute that install as a cd-rom, for users how are off site, these users would use eclipse off the cd-rom, as it would be exactly they would from a readonly dir at the server
Re: recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #517182 is a reply to message #516947] Fri, 26 February 2010 04:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Webster is currently offline Paul Webster
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You have to pick something.

1) You can set it up on your network server in Multi-User mode, and
everybody can use that one install (off of drive L: :-) That will mean
a lot of network traffic when eclipse starts up as it reads out of all
of the plugins.

2) you can pre-build a zip and have everyone unzip it in c:\Program
Files\our-eclipse-1.0. When you pre-build you can add everything you
expect your users to need, customize it, etc.

3) you can use the p2 installer (small) and have each user install it on
their machine. Then they run it locally. How it is customized in this
case depends on how you set up the install p2 repo. See
http://wiki.eclipse.org/P2 and http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_Installer

PW

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icon5.gif  Re: recommendations for install eclipse options? [message #517428 is a reply to message #517182] Sat, 27 February 2010 14:45 Go to previous message
elhanan Maayan is currently offline elhanan Maayan
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altough i havn't read the links option 3 looks promising, my questions is , can it be done via network admin ? i mean i some install configured for a network admin to setup automatically only for the first time the user enters the station. this same "package" could be burned to a cd-rom, and autoplay on a remote site.
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