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Can someone explain how this can be? [message #4593] Wed, 17 June 2009 16:53 Go to next message
mattiaso is currently offline mattiaso
Messages: 2
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
It’s so sad to see that the new Galileo release only contains crap in my
wiew, more or less. (I looking from the perspective - core java developer)
How many time do I use the functionallity "edit in diff mode". Perhaps 1
min every week.
I can’t emagine that the community hasn't flagged for more important
features than "edit in diff mode". How can this be?

It would be really nice if the eclipse community have some feature request
voting (and if there already exists, listen to the voting) or at least
look 5 minutes at, for instance, Intellij and analyze what the developers
really needs. Can someone please explain how this can happen, because I
don't understand?
Re: Can someone explain how this can be? [message #4664 is a reply to message #4593] Wed, 17 June 2009 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nitin Dahyabhai is currently offline Nitin Dahyabhai
Messages: 2274
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
mattiaso wrote:
> It�s so sad to see that the new Galileo release only contains crap in my
> wiew, more or less. (I looking from the perspective - core java developer)
> How many time do I use the functionallity "edit in diff mode". Perhaps 1
> min every week.
> I can�t emagine that the community hasn't flagged for more important
> features than "edit in diff mode". How can this be?
>
> It would be really nice if the eclipse community have some feature
> request voting (and if there already exists, listen to the voting) or
> at least look 5 minutes at, for instance, Intellij and analyze what the
> developers really needs. Can someone please explain how this can happen,
> because I don't understand?

The usefulness of that feature is highly subjective, but I find it
rather useful myself.

All requests and bug reports go into Bugzilla at bugs.eclipse.org,
and each bug is able to be voted on by anyone with an account. What
gets done is a matter of the priorities of the people who are
actually doing the work, whether that means consulting the votes or
not. Nothing stops you from implementing and contributing a feature
you want to see happen, or even requesting it, but I don't see any
bug report or feature requests by your posting email address.

--
---
Nitin Dahyabhai
Eclipse WTP Source Editing
IBM Rational


---
Nitin Dahyabhai
Eclipse WTP, IBM
Re: Can someone explain how this can be? [message #4733 is a reply to message #4593] Tue, 23 June 2009 19:19 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: eclipse-news.rizzoweb.com

mattiaso wrote:
> It�s so sad to see that the new Galileo release only contains crap in my
> wiew, more or less. (I looking from the perspective - core java developer)
> How many time do I use the functionallity "edit in diff mode". Perhaps 1
> min every week.
> I can�t emagine that the community hasn't flagged for more important
> features than "edit in diff mode". How can this be?
>
> It would be really nice if the eclipse community have some feature
> request voting (and if there already exists, listen to the voting) or
> at least look 5 minutes at, for instance, Intellij and analyze what the
> developers really needs. Can someone please explain how this can happen,
> because I don't understand?

Something a lot of (most?) users of open-source software do not
understand is that the decisions about priority, of what gets done when,
are made by the people doing the work. In a healthy project (such as
most of the Eclipse projects), those people use input from the broader
user community in making those decisions (for example, votes and code
patches on Bugzilla reports). But in the end, a LOT of things can drive
those priorities.
If you want to drive a particular feature, enhancement, or bug fix, then
you have to be INVOLVED. Yes, it takes time and a lot of effort to
become a committer on a project (rightly so), but you can contribute in
a lot of other ways: entering bug reports and enhancement requests,
answering questions on the newsgroups and/or IRC and/or mailing lists,
submitting patches to existing bug reports, writing and/or updating
documentation (wiki or other), etc.
But to expect that your particular priorities will be considered without
any of that kind of involvement on your part is irrational, silly, and
honestly, quite selfish. You get a lot for nothing with open-source
software, but you don't get whatever you want (unless you've contributed
enough to become a committer or committee/board member; those things
require getting INVOLVED).

I hope this helps your understanding of how things work in the
open-source world.

Eric
Re: Can someone explain how this can be? [message #567646 is a reply to message #4593] Wed, 17 June 2009 21:30 Go to previous message
Nitin Dahyabhai is currently offline Nitin Dahyabhai
Messages: 2274
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
mattiaso wrote:
> It�s so sad to see that the new Galileo release only contains crap in my
> wiew, more or less. (I looking from the perspective - core java developer)
> How many time do I use the functionallity "edit in diff mode". Perhaps 1
> min every week.
> I can�t emagine that the community hasn't flagged for more important
> features than "edit in diff mode". How can this be?
>
> It would be really nice if the eclipse community have some feature
> request voting (and if there already exists, listen to the voting) or
> at least look 5 minutes at, for instance, Intellij and analyze what the
> developers really needs. Can someone please explain how this can happen,
> because I don't understand?

The usefulness of that feature is highly subjective, but I find it
rather useful myself.

All requests and bug reports go into Bugzilla at bugs.eclipse.org,
and each bug is able to be voted on by anyone with an account. What
gets done is a matter of the priorities of the people who are
actually doing the work, whether that means consulting the votes or
not. Nothing stops you from implementing and contributing a feature
you want to see happen, or even requesting it, but I don't see any
bug report or feature requests by your posting email address.

--
---
Nitin Dahyabhai
Eclipse WTP Source Editing
IBM Rational


---
Nitin Dahyabhai
Eclipse WTP, IBM
Re: Can someone explain how this can be? [message #567706 is a reply to message #4593] Tue, 23 June 2009 19:19 Go to previous message
Eric Rizzo is currently offline Eric Rizzo
Messages: 2249
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
mattiaso wrote:
> It�s so sad to see that the new Galileo release only contains crap in my
> wiew, more or less. (I looking from the perspective - core java developer)
> How many time do I use the functionallity "edit in diff mode". Perhaps 1
> min every week.
> I can�t emagine that the community hasn't flagged for more important
> features than "edit in diff mode". How can this be?
>
> It would be really nice if the eclipse community have some feature
> request voting (and if there already exists, listen to the voting) or
> at least look 5 minutes at, for instance, Intellij and analyze what the
> developers really needs. Can someone please explain how this can happen,
> because I don't understand?

Something a lot of (most?) users of open-source software do not
understand is that the decisions about priority, of what gets done when,
are made by the people doing the work. In a healthy project (such as
most of the Eclipse projects), those people use input from the broader
user community in making those decisions (for example, votes and code
patches on Bugzilla reports). But in the end, a LOT of things can drive
those priorities.
If you want to drive a particular feature, enhancement, or bug fix, then
you have to be INVOLVED. Yes, it takes time and a lot of effort to
become a committer on a project (rightly so), but you can contribute in
a lot of other ways: entering bug reports and enhancement requests,
answering questions on the newsgroups and/or IRC and/or mailing lists,
submitting patches to existing bug reports, writing and/or updating
documentation (wiki or other), etc.
But to expect that your particular priorities will be considered without
any of that kind of involvement on your part is irrational, silly, and
honestly, quite selfish. You get a lot for nothing with open-source
software, but you don't get whatever you want (unless you've contributed
enough to become a committer or committee/board member; those things
require getting INVOLVED).

I hope this helps your understanding of how things work in the
open-source world.

Eric
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