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Babel Next Gen ? [message #504762] Tue, 22 December 2009 14:31 Go to next message
Andre Kullmann is currently offline Andre Kullmann
Messages: 33
Registered: September 2009
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Hi,

my team and I develop an in house rcp client. In near future this client will be deployed in different countries, so we need i18n. Babel sounds interessting. Our first try was to use an web application, were the specialist department in the countries can edit there translations. But without the context ( were in the gui the translation will be placed ) it is unusability for the specialist department. The idea to solve the problem is to take an screenshot of the gui/ composite/... and place it on the web page were the translations can be done.
I think in e4 ( xwt ) it is possible to create an screenshot without startup the application. Parse the xml and put the composite into an empty window.

My question, my suggestion is to expand Babel with some feature.

What does the Babel experts think ?

With kind regards,
Andre
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #504778 is a reply to message #504762] Tue, 22 December 2009 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse Webmaster is currently offline Eclipse Webmaster
Messages: 477562
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
On 12/22/2009 09:31 AM, Andre Kullmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my team and I develop an in house rcp client. In near future this client
> will be deployed in different countries, so we need i18n. Babel sounds
> interessting. Our first try was to use an web application, were the
> specialist department in the countries can edit there translations. But
> without the context ( were in the gui the translation will be placed )
> it is unusability for the specialist department. The idea to solve the
> problem is to take an screenshot of the gui/ composite/... and place it
> on the web page were the translations can be done. I think in e4 ( xwt )
> it is possible to create an screenshot without startup the application.
> Parse the xml and put the composite into an empty window.
> My question, my suggestion is to expand Babel with some feature.
>
> What does the Babel experts think ?
>
> With kind regards,
> Andre

Hi,

At Babel we think translating Eclipse within Eclipse (using an Eclipse
plugin) may be a better solution. We have a Messages Editor plugin that
integrates with Eclipse for on-the-spot translation. This plugin does
not talk to the Babel translation server, however. If that
functionality existed, it would be an awesome way to translate Eclipse.

This bug is tracking the progress of a web API for the Babel server:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=223036

You can read more about the Messages Editor here:
http://www.eclipse.org/babel/messages_editor/
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Babel_/_Message_Bundle_Editor

You can get the Messages Editor source here (we don't provide a build yet):
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org:/cvsroot/technology co
org.eclipse.babel/plugins

If you would like to contribute code back to the Babel project, to help
advance the server API or the messages editor, please feel free to
interact with us here on the forum, on the babel-dev mailing list, and
submit code patches in Bugzilla!

Thanks,

Denis
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #504848 is a reply to message #504762] Tue, 22 December 2009 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

At Intalio we run Babel for our own product. You have to do some of the
administration directly from the database and you need to implement
something in the addons folder, but otherwise it's rather
straightforward and we could automate a build rather easily.

Thanks,

Antoine

On 12/22/09 6:31 AM, Andre Kullmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my team and I develop an in house rcp client. In near future this client
> will be deployed in different countries, so we need i18n. Babel sounds
> interessting. Our first try was to use an web application, were the
> specialist department in the countries can edit there translations. But
> without the context ( were in the gui the translation will be placed )
> it is unusability for the specialist department. The idea to solve the
> problem is to take an screenshot of the gui/ composite/... and place it
> on the web page were the translations can be done. I think in e4 ( xwt )
> it is possible to create an screenshot without startup the application.
> Parse the xml and put the composite into an empty window.
> My question, my suggestion is to expand Babel with some feature.
>
> What does the Babel experts think ?
>
> With kind regards,
> Andre
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #506795 is a reply to message #504848] Sun, 10 January 2010 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
So you run the translation server, too? Or mainly the client tools like
Message Bundle Editor?

"Antoine Toulme" <atoulme@intalio.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:hgrtgj$us1$1@build.eclipse.org...
> At Intalio we run Babel for our own product. You have to do some of the
> administration directly from the database and you need to implement
> something in the addons folder, but otherwise it's rather straightforward
> and we could automate a build rather easily.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Antoine
>
> On 12/22/09 6:31 AM, Andre Kullmann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> my team and I develop an in house rcp client. In near future this client
>> will be deployed in different countries, so we need i18n. Babel sounds
>> interessting. Our first try was to use an web application, were the
>> specialist department in the countries can edit there translations. But
>> without the context ( were in the gui the translation will be placed )
>> it is unusability for the specialist department. The idea to solve the
>> problem is to take an screenshot of the gui/ composite/... and place it
>> on the web page were the translations can be done. I think in e4 ( xwt )
>> it is possible to create an screenshot without startup the application.
>> Parse the xml and put the composite into an empty window.
>> My question, my suggestion is to expand Babel with some feature.
>>
>> What does the Babel experts think ?
>>
>> With kind regards,
>> Andre
>
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #506796 is a reply to message #504762] Sun, 10 January 2010 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

As a committing member of the Babel project since its inception I have
discussed some options for future versions of Eclipse and Babel, too.
E4 doesn't reinvent the wheel, but mostly use technologies like SWT or XWT
(that's where XML comes into place more or EMF models)

One important aspect is UIs, that are defined in XML. Unless you have
placeholders for messages in "good old" bundles there, translating some of
the XML files is a new challange. I have seen e.g. a nice XML UI Bundle
Editor for Android in the Motorola SDK. Although the ADT isn't an official
part of Eclipse Pulsar, I hope, this could change over time. Or vendors like
Motorola who already play key roles in the Pulsar project may consider
contributing some of that to Babel. Other projects like XWT or the
Silverlight tools would also profit from such XML translation tools.

Werner
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #554049 is a reply to message #504848] Thu, 19 August 2010 21:19 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
It would be great, to demonstrate that or at least explain it on the Babel
Wiki?;-)

For ESE 10 it's a bit too late, but maybe next year's EclipseCon might also
profit from such a topic, if anybody can invest enough effort to
prepare/show it?

Werner
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #580154 is a reply to message #504762] Tue, 22 December 2009 16:02 Go to previous message
Eclipse Webmaster is currently offline Eclipse Webmaster
Messages: 477562
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
On 12/22/2009 09:31 AM, Andre Kullmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my team and I develop an in house rcp client. In near future this client
> will be deployed in different countries, so we need i18n. Babel sounds
> interessting. Our first try was to use an web application, were the
> specialist department in the countries can edit there translations. But
> without the context ( were in the gui the translation will be placed )
> it is unusability for the specialist department. The idea to solve the
> problem is to take an screenshot of the gui/ composite/... and place it
> on the web page were the translations can be done. I think in e4 ( xwt )
> it is possible to create an screenshot without startup the application.
> Parse the xml and put the composite into an empty window.
> My question, my suggestion is to expand Babel with some feature.
>
> What does the Babel experts think ?
>
> With kind regards,
> Andre

Hi,

At Babel we think translating Eclipse within Eclipse (using an Eclipse
plugin) may be a better solution. We have a Messages Editor plugin that
integrates with Eclipse for on-the-spot translation. This plugin does
not talk to the Babel translation server, however. If that
functionality existed, it would be an awesome way to translate Eclipse.

This bug is tracking the progress of a web API for the Babel server:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=223036

You can read more about the Messages Editor here:
http://www.eclipse.org/babel/messages_editor/
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Babel_/_Message_Bundle_Editor

You can get the Messages Editor source here (we don't provide a build yet):
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org:/cvsroot/technology co
org.eclipse.babel/plugins

If you would like to contribute code back to the Babel project, to help
advance the server API or the messages editor, please feel free to
interact with us here on the forum, on the babel-dev mailing list, and
submit code patches in Bugzilla!

Thanks,

Denis
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #580201 is a reply to message #504762] Wed, 23 December 2009 01:58 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

At Intalio we run Babel for our own product. You have to do some of the
administration directly from the database and you need to implement
something in the addons folder, but otherwise it's rather
straightforward and we could automate a build rather easily.

Thanks,

Antoine

On 12/22/09 6:31 AM, Andre Kullmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my team and I develop an in house rcp client. In near future this client
> will be deployed in different countries, so we need i18n. Babel sounds
> interessting. Our first try was to use an web application, were the
> specialist department in the countries can edit there translations. But
> without the context ( were in the gui the translation will be placed )
> it is unusability for the specialist department. The idea to solve the
> problem is to take an screenshot of the gui/ composite/... and place it
> on the web page were the translations can be done. I think in e4 ( xwt )
> it is possible to create an screenshot without startup the application.
> Parse the xml and put the composite into an empty window.
> My question, my suggestion is to expand Babel with some feature.
>
> What does the Babel experts think ?
>
> With kind regards,
> Andre
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #580323 is a reply to message #580201] Sun, 10 January 2010 10:36 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
So you run the translation server, too? Or mainly the client tools like
Message Bundle Editor?

"Antoine Toulme" <atoulme@intalio.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:hgrtgj$us1$1@build.eclipse.org...
> At Intalio we run Babel for our own product. You have to do some of the
> administration directly from the database and you need to implement
> something in the addons folder, but otherwise it's rather straightforward
> and we could automate a build rather easily.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Antoine
>
> On 12/22/09 6:31 AM, Andre Kullmann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> my team and I develop an in house rcp client. In near future this client
>> will be deployed in different countries, so we need i18n. Babel sounds
>> interessting. Our first try was to use an web application, were the
>> specialist department in the countries can edit there translations. But
>> without the context ( were in the gui the translation will be placed )
>> it is unusability for the specialist department. The idea to solve the
>> problem is to take an screenshot of the gui/ composite/... and place it
>> on the web page were the translations can be done. I think in e4 ( xwt )
>> it is possible to create an screenshot without startup the application.
>> Parse the xml and put the composite into an empty window.
>> My question, my suggestion is to expand Babel with some feature.
>>
>> What does the Babel experts think ?
>>
>> With kind regards,
>> Andre
>
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #580349 is a reply to message #504762] Sun, 10 January 2010 10:43 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi,

As a committing member of the Babel project since its inception I have
discussed some options for future versions of Eclipse and Babel, too.
E4 doesn't reinvent the wheel, but mostly use technologies like SWT or XWT
(that's where XML comes into place more or EMF models)

One important aspect is UIs, that are defined in XML. Unless you have
placeholders for messages in "good old" bundles there, translating some of
the XML files is a new challange. I have seen e.g. a nice XML UI Bundle
Editor for Android in the Motorola SDK. Although the ADT isn't an official
part of Eclipse Pulsar, I hope, this could change over time. Or vendors like
Motorola who already play key roles in the Pulsar project may consider
contributing some of that to Babel. Other projects like XWT or the
Silverlight tools would also profit from such XML translation tools.

Werner
Re: Babel Next Gen ? [message #580963 is a reply to message #580201] Thu, 19 August 2010 21:19 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner Keil
Messages: 1083
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
It would be great, to demonstrate that or at least explain it on the Babel
Wiki?;-)

For ESE 10 it's a bit too late, but maybe next year's EclipseCon might also
profit from such a topic, if anybody can invest enough effort to
prepare/show it?

Werner
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