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[PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #495862] Fri, 06 November 2009 12:47 Go to next message
Michael Moser is currently offline Michael Moser
Messages: 5
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi,

I learned about the PMF project by reading the project proposal and checking out further resources like http://www.soyatec.com/eface/video/PMF.html. I think its great and can help to take modeling on the eclipse platform even a step further.

Are there any further resources which reflect the current status and next steps of the project?

I had a look at the PMF source repository under dev.eclipse.org/modeling. What status of the ongoing work does it reflect? Are there major contributions missing?

Thanks for your response,
Michael
Re: [PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #495922 is a reply to message #495862] Fri, 06 November 2009 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Van Dam is currently offline Jim Van Dam
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Michael,

At ESE we had a diverse group of participants of PMF at one table.
Efforts like TM by Hallvard Traetteberg and Wazaabi by Olivier Moises
are talking about contributing their codebase to PMF. The current
codebase is contributed by Yves Yang.
I plan to add some additional components myself before EclipseCon.
So yes, there are things missing, but our goal is to have them all lined
up soon. In the mean time anybody wanting to discuss and exchange ideas
is very welcome.
As we explain on the wiki the full PMF chain references a UI target
environment and we want to choose a set of examples showing the power of
UI modeling and the PMF project. Any suggestions there are also welcome.

Thank you for expressing your interest,

Jim


Michael Moser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I learned about the PMF project by reading the project proposal and
> checking out further resources like
> http://www.soyatec.com/eface/video/PMF.html. I think its great and can
> help to take modeling on the eclipse platform even a step further.
>
> Are there any further resources which reflect the current status and
> next steps of the project?
>
> I had a look at the PMF source repository under
> dev.eclipse.org/modeling. What status of the ongoing work does it
> reflect? Are there major contributions missing?
>
> Thanks for your response,
> Michael
Re: [PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #499158 is a reply to message #495922] Fri, 20 November 2009 08:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Moser is currently offline Michael Moser
Messages: 5
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Jim,

Thank you for your response. Good to hear that things are in progress.

As far as I understand, the proposed scope of PMF is to provide model-driven methods and technologies to develop UIs. Therefore, the main focus lies on tools to model UIs, generate UI code and adapt/customize the generated code.

What about run-time support? In my opinion a fundamental reason for EMF's success in the area of data modeling is its support to manipulate model instances at run-time through a generic framework (e.g. reflective API, Transactions, Adapters,...). Is it planned to provide (probably technology specific) frameworks to manipulate UI model instances at run-time? I think it would be great to configure/adapt the UI of my application through an instance of its underlying UI model.

Thanks for your response,

Michael
Re: [PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #499255 is a reply to message #499158] Fri, 20 November 2009 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
Messages: 26050
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Michael,

I'm just adding the PMF newsgroup so this thread is recorded in the
right place.


Michael Moser wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Thank you for your response. Good to hear that things are in progress.
>
> As far as I understand, the proposed scope of PMF is to provide
> model-driven methods and technologies to develop UIs. Therefore, the
> main focus lies on tools to model UIs, generate UI code and
> adapt/customize the generated code.
>
> What about run-time support? In my opinion a fundamental reason for
> EMF's success in the area of data modeling is its support to
> manipulate model instances at run-time through a generic framework
> (e.g. reflective API, Transactions, Adapters,...). Is it planned to
> provide (probably technology specific) frameworks to manipulate UI
> model instances at run-time? I think it would be great to
> configure/adapt the UI of my application through an instance of its
> underlying UI model.
>
> Thanks for your response,
>
> Michael
Re: [PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #499268 is a reply to message #499255] Fri, 20 November 2009 15:38 Go to previous message
Jim Van Dam is currently offline Jim Van Dam
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Michael,

>> What about run-time support? In my opinion a fundamental reason for
>> EMF's success in the area of data modeling is its support to
>> manipulate model instances at run-time through a generic framework
>> (e.g. reflective API, Transactions, Adapters,...). Is it planned to
>> provide (probably technology specific) frameworks to manipulate UI
>> model instances at run-time? I think it would be great to
>> configure/adapt the UI of my application through an instance of its
>> underlying UI model.
Yes, some of the contributed technologies will allow you to do exactly
that. We use the phrase 'live-model' for this. Other contributions will
not allow this as they generate ui-technology specific code and have no
notion of the original model during runtime.

Depending on your specific environment and requirements you can pick the
most suitable approach.

Jim


Ed Merks wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I'm just adding the PMF newsgroup so this thread is recorded in the
> right place.
>
>
> Michael Moser wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Thank you for your response. Good to hear that things are in progress.
>>
>> As far as I understand, the proposed scope of PMF is to provide
>> model-driven methods and technologies to develop UIs. Therefore, the
>> main focus lies on tools to model UIs, generate UI code and
>> adapt/customize the generated code.
>>
>> What about run-time support? In my opinion a fundamental reason for
>> EMF's success in the area of data modeling is its support to
>> manipulate model instances at run-time through a generic framework
>> (e.g. reflective API, Transactions, Adapters,...). Is it planned to
>> provide (probably technology specific) frameworks to manipulate UI
>> model instances at run-time? I think it would be great to
>> configure/adapt the UI of my application through an instance of its
>> underlying UI model.
>>
>> Thanks for your response,
>>
>> Michael
Re: [PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #618282 is a reply to message #495862] Fri, 06 November 2009 16:05 Go to previous message
Jim Van Dam is currently offline Jim Van Dam
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Michael,

At ESE we had a diverse group of participants of PMF at one table.
Efforts like TM by Hallvard Traetteberg and Wazaabi by Olivier Moises
are talking about contributing their codebase to PMF. The current
codebase is contributed by Yves Yang.
I plan to add some additional components myself before EclipseCon.
So yes, there are things missing, but our goal is to have them all lined
up soon. In the mean time anybody wanting to discuss and exchange ideas
is very welcome.
As we explain on the wiki the full PMF chain references a UI target
environment and we want to choose a set of examples showing the power of
UI modeling and the PMF project. Any suggestions there are also welcome.

Thank you for expressing your interest,

Jim


Michael Moser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I learned about the PMF project by reading the project proposal and
> checking out further resources like
> http://www.soyatec.com/eface/video/PMF.html I think its great and can
> help to take modeling on the eclipse platform even a step further.
>
> Are there any further resources which reflect the current status and
> next steps of the project?
>
> I had a look at the PMF source repository under
> dev.eclipse.org/modeling. What status of the ongoing work does it
> reflect? Are there major contributions missing?
>
> Thanks for your response,
> Michael
Re: [PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #618494 is a reply to message #495922] Fri, 20 November 2009 08:15 Go to previous message
Michael Moser is currently offline Michael Moser
Messages: 5
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Jim,

Thank you for your response. Good to hear that things are in progress.

As far as I understand, the proposed scope of PMF is to provide model-driven methods and technologies to develop UIs. Therefore, the main focus lies on tools to model UIs, generate UI code and adapt/customize the generated code.

What about run-time support? In my opinion a fundamental reason for EMF's success in the area of data modeling is its support to manipulate model instances at run-time through a generic framework (e.g. reflective API, Transactions, Adapters,...). Is it planned to provide (probably technology specific) frameworks to manipulate UI model instances at run-time? I think it would be great to configure/adapt the UI of my application through an instance of its underlying UI model.

Thanks for your response,

Michael
Re: [PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #618506 is a reply to message #618494] Fri, 20 November 2009 15:00 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
Messages: 26050
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Michael,

I'm just adding the PMF newsgroup so this thread is recorded in the
right place.


Michael Moser wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Thank you for your response. Good to hear that things are in progress.
>
> As far as I understand, the proposed scope of PMF is to provide
> model-driven methods and technologies to develop UIs. Therefore, the
> main focus lies on tools to model UIs, generate UI code and
> adapt/customize the generated code.
>
> What about run-time support? In my opinion a fundamental reason for
> EMF's success in the area of data modeling is its support to
> manipulate model instances at run-time through a generic framework
> (e.g. reflective API, Transactions, Adapters,...). Is it planned to
> provide (probably technology specific) frameworks to manipulate UI
> model instances at run-time? I think it would be great to
> configure/adapt the UI of my application through an instance of its
> underlying UI model.
>
> Thanks for your response,
>
> Michael
Re: [PMF] CVS Repository and Project Status [message #618509 is a reply to message #499255] Fri, 20 November 2009 15:38 Go to previous message
Jim Van Dam is currently offline Jim Van Dam
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Michael,

>> What about run-time support? In my opinion a fundamental reason for
>> EMF's success in the area of data modeling is its support to
>> manipulate model instances at run-time through a generic framework
>> (e.g. reflective API, Transactions, Adapters,...). Is it planned to
>> provide (probably technology specific) frameworks to manipulate UI
>> model instances at run-time? I think it would be great to
>> configure/adapt the UI of my application through an instance of its
>> underlying UI model.
Yes, some of the contributed technologies will allow you to do exactly
that. We use the phrase 'live-model' for this. Other contributions will
not allow this as they generate ui-technology specific code and have no
notion of the original model during runtime.

Depending on your specific environment and requirements you can pick the
most suitable approach.

Jim


Ed Merks wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I'm just adding the PMF newsgroup so this thread is recorded in the
> right place.
>
>
> Michael Moser wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Thank you for your response. Good to hear that things are in progress.
>>
>> As far as I understand, the proposed scope of PMF is to provide
>> model-driven methods and technologies to develop UIs. Therefore, the
>> main focus lies on tools to model UIs, generate UI code and
>> adapt/customize the generated code.
>>
>> What about run-time support? In my opinion a fundamental reason for
>> EMF's success in the area of data modeling is its support to
>> manipulate model instances at run-time through a generic framework
>> (e.g. reflective API, Transactions, Adapters,...). Is it planned to
>> provide (probably technology specific) frameworks to manipulate UI
>> model instances at run-time? I think it would be great to
>> configure/adapt the UI of my application through an instance of its
>> underlying UI model.
>>
>> Thanks for your response,
>>
>> Michael
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