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OFMP enterprise? [message #4321] Fri, 21 September 2007 15:36 Go to next message
Alexander Ziegler is currently offline Alexander ZieglerFriend
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Registered: July 2009
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Hello OFMP-Team,

I congratulate on your project proposal. I like the idea of OFMP. My
best wishes!

OFMP sounds like an enterprise application provides business components
from the UI over the communication to the server and persistence, all
based on Eclipse and OSGi.
Maybe for you is interesting the upcoming Riena project proposal. Riena
will provide an platform for client and server enterprise application
based on Eclipse/Equinox. Using Equinox as core platform and Riena
remote services, Riena platform provides an integral programming model
to develop components and services regardless of their target location.
The Riena platform will cover typical components needed for enterprise
applications e.g. remote services, authentication, authorization, object
transaction, persistence, and report. Most of these components already
exist in Eclipse project. However, Riena will adapt such components and
integrates these into the Riena platform.

Maybe the technical aspect of Riena platform could be interesting for OFMP.

Good luck

Regards,
Alexander
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #4392 is a reply to message #4321] Sat, 22 September 2007 16:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
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Hello Alexander,

Sounds interesting, what does it offer compared too many other Eclipse
frameworks that exist in those domains, like SOA Runtime Framework,
Higgins (Authentication, Authorization) etc.?

Or is it primarily a 'glue' to combine OSGi with those?

Do you have a newsgroup yet?

Thanks,
Werner
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #4461 is a reply to message #4392] Tue, 25 September 2007 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alexander Ziegler is currently offline Alexander ZieglerFriend
Messages: 19
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hello Werner,

> Sounds interesting, what does it offer compared too many other Eclipse
> frameworks that exist in those domains, like SOA Runtime Framework,
> Higgins (Authentication, Authorization) etc.?

I think SOA is a platform for server tier and backend tier, special to
integrate heterogenous applications and systems and improve their
interoperability. The Riena platform will not have this in focus. Rather
Riena will be a platform for client tier (rich client) and server tier,
special to provide a homogeneous programming modell on all locations. I
think SOA typically is not to use for client-side applications. To
provide 'one' platform for client-side as well as server-side could be
very interesting.

I understand Higgins as powerful identity framework/system to use for
authentication and SSO. The Riena platform will be neither a framework
or system for SSO nor an authentication or authorization system. Riena
will provide services to use authentication and authorization within the
platform and the applications. For example Riena provides remote
services to access other Riena runtimes. There is a need to transport
authentication or authorization context from e.g. client to server and
back. Also to provide some default authorization behaviours e.g. within
presentation parts (actions, views, ...).

> Or is it primarily a 'glue' to combine OSGi with those?

It not is primarily a 'glue' but Riena will use and adapt existing
Eclipse components. However the Riena platform will be based on Equinox
and uses the service infrastructure. For example, Riena has no focus to
provide an authentication / authorization system but provides
integration point for those. So for example Higgings is a system which
could be connected at the tail.


> Do you have a newsgroup yet?

The newsgroup is not already created. The Riena proposal is currently in
draft state at EMO.


Alexander
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #4877 is a reply to message #4321] Sat, 29 September 2007 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frederic Conrotte is currently offline Frederic ConrotteFriend
Messages: 125
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Alexander Ziegler wrote:

> Hello OFMP-Team,

Hi Alexander,

> I congratulate on your project proposal. I like the idea of OFMP. My
> best wishes!
Thanks for your support :)

> OFMP sounds like an enterprise application provides business components
> from the UI over the communication to the server and persistence, all
> based on Eclipse and OSGi.
Indeed

> Maybe for you is interesting the upcoming Riena project proposal. Riena
> will provide an platform for client and server enterprise application
> based on Eclipse/Equinox. Using Equinox as core platform and Riena
> remote services, Riena platform provides an integral programming model
> to develop components and services regardless of their target location.
> The Riena platform will cover typical components needed for enterprise
> applications e.g. remote services, authentication, authorization, object
> transaction, persistence, and report. Most of these components already
> exist in Eclipse project. However, Riena will adapt such components and
> integrates these into the Riena platform.
>
> Maybe the technical aspect of Riena platform could be interesting for
> OFMP.
Seems to be indeed a really good fit with OFMP !

Could we meet to discuss this during ESE ?

Frederic
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #4945 is a reply to message #4461] Sun, 30 September 2007 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hello Alexander,

> interoperability. The Riena platform will not have this in focus. Rather
> Riena will be a platform for client tier (rich client) and server tier,
>
Equinox does run within the IDE, but in the end it is more or less
already an 'embedded' server. Like most of Eclipse Help also sits on top
of a scaled down web app server like Tomcat or Jetty.

special to provide a homogeneous programming modell on all locations. I
> think SOA typically is not to use for client-side applications. To
> provide 'one' platform for client-side as well as server-side could be
> very interesting.
>

>
>> Do you have a newsgroup yet?
>
> The newsgroup is not already created. The Riena proposal is currently in
> draft state at EMO.

Well, I hope, some of the ideas discussed here might result in
interesting leads for your proposal and possible interactions with other
projects.

Please keep us updated when it's ready?
At least current activity looks promising according to the status color.

Werner
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #5011 is a reply to message #4461] Sun, 30 September 2007 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Oh and btw, unless you also dropped them a note, please get in touch
with the OHF guys, too. At least the OHF Bridge seems to use Equinox
already a lot, so whatever builds on top of that or OSGi in general
might be useful.

And for Medical applications a user and security model also is very
important (in fact, drafts there indicated, they already have some
progress, so maybe refactoring or reuse could work either one way or
even both...)
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #5275 is a reply to message #5011] Tue, 02 October 2007 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alexander Ziegler is currently offline Alexander ZieglerFriend
Messages: 19
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Thank you for the hints. I will do that.

Alexander

Werner Keil schrieb:
> Oh and btw, unless you also dropped them a note, please get in touch
> with the OHF guys, too. At least the OHF Bridge seems to use Equinox
> already a lot, so whatever builds on top of that or OSGi in general
> might be useful.
>
> And for Medical applications a user and security model also is very
> important (in fact, drafts there indicated, they already have some
> progress, so maybe refactoring or reuse could work either one way or
> even both...)
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #5340 is a reply to message #4877] Tue, 02 October 2007 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alexander Ziegler is currently offline Alexander ZieglerFriend
Messages: 19
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hello Frederic,

yes me and some other Rienaers stay at ESE.

We have a small booth. I'm looking forward to seeing you there.

Alexander

fred schrieb:
> Alexander Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Hello OFMP-Team,
>
> Hi Alexander,
>
>> I congratulate on your project proposal. I like the idea of OFMP. My
>> best wishes!
> Thanks for your support :)
>
>> OFMP sounds like an enterprise application provides business components
>> from the UI over the communication to the server and persistence, all
>> based on Eclipse and OSGi.
> Indeed
>
>> Maybe for you is interesting the upcoming Riena project proposal. Riena
>> will provide an platform for client and server enterprise application
>> based on Eclipse/Equinox. Using Equinox as core platform and Riena
>> remote services, Riena platform provides an integral programming model
>> to develop components and services regardless of their target location.
>> The Riena platform will cover typical components needed for enterprise
>> applications e.g. remote services, authentication, authorization, object
>> transaction, persistence, and report. Most of these components already
>> exist in Eclipse project. However, Riena will adapt such components and
>> integrates these into the Riena platform.
>>
>> Maybe the technical aspect of Riena platform could be interesting for
>> OFMP.
> Seems to be indeed a really good fit with OFMP !
>
> Could we meet to discuss this during ESE ?
>
> Frederic
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #6016 is a reply to message #5340] Tue, 02 October 2007 23:01 Go to previous message
Aleksey Aristov is currently offline Aleksey AristovFriend
Messages: 17
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hello!

I'm looking forward to see you there! I see your project proposal as
very interesting. And, I think, there a areas where OFMP may benefit
from your ideas and work.

/AAV

Alexander Ziegler wrote:
> Hello Frederic,
>
> yes me and some other Rienaers stay at ESE.
>
> We have a small booth. I'm looking forward to seeing you there.
>
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #566584 is a reply to message #4321] Sat, 22 September 2007 16:07 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hello Alexander,

Sounds interesting, what does it offer compared too many other Eclipse
frameworks that exist in those domains, like SOA Runtime Framework,
Higgins (Authentication, Authorization) etc.?

Or is it primarily a 'glue' to combine OSGi with those?

Do you have a newsgroup yet?

Thanks,
Werner
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #566602 is a reply to message #4392] Tue, 25 September 2007 11:41 Go to previous message
Alexander Ziegler is currently offline Alexander ZieglerFriend
Messages: 19
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hello Werner,

> Sounds interesting, what does it offer compared too many other Eclipse
> frameworks that exist in those domains, like SOA Runtime Framework,
> Higgins (Authentication, Authorization) etc.?

I think SOA is a platform for server tier and backend tier, special to
integrate heterogenous applications and systems and improve their
interoperability. The Riena platform will not have this in focus. Rather
Riena will be a platform for client tier (rich client) and server tier,
special to provide a homogeneous programming modell on all locations. I
think SOA typically is not to use for client-side applications. To
provide 'one' platform for client-side as well as server-side could be
very interesting.

I understand Higgins as powerful identity framework/system to use for
authentication and SSO. The Riena platform will be neither a framework
or system for SSO nor an authentication or authorization system. Riena
will provide services to use authentication and authorization within the
platform and the applications. For example Riena provides remote
services to access other Riena runtimes. There is a need to transport
authentication or authorization context from e.g. client to server and
back. Also to provide some default authorization behaviours e.g. within
presentation parts (actions, views, ...).

> Or is it primarily a 'glue' to combine OSGi with those?

It not is primarily a 'glue' but Riena will use and adapt existing
Eclipse components. However the Riena platform will be based on Equinox
and uses the service infrastructure. For example, Riena has no focus to
provide an authentication / authorization system but provides
integration point for those. So for example Higgings is a system which
could be connected at the tail.


> Do you have a newsgroup yet?

The newsgroup is not already created. The Riena proposal is currently in
draft state at EMO.


Alexander
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #566719 is a reply to message #4321] Sat, 29 September 2007 09:53 Go to previous message
Frederic Conrotte is currently offline Frederic ConrotteFriend
Messages: 125
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Alexander Ziegler wrote:

> Hello OFMP-Team,

Hi Alexander,

> I congratulate on your project proposal. I like the idea of OFMP. My
> best wishes!
Thanks for your support :)

> OFMP sounds like an enterprise application provides business components
> from the UI over the communication to the server and persistence, all
> based on Eclipse and OSGi.
Indeed

> Maybe for you is interesting the upcoming Riena project proposal. Riena
> will provide an platform for client and server enterprise application
> based on Eclipse/Equinox. Using Equinox as core platform and Riena
> remote services, Riena platform provides an integral programming model
> to develop components and services regardless of their target location.
> The Riena platform will cover typical components needed for enterprise
> applications e.g. remote services, authentication, authorization, object
> transaction, persistence, and report. Most of these components already
> exist in Eclipse project. However, Riena will adapt such components and
> integrates these into the Riena platform.
>
> Maybe the technical aspect of Riena platform could be interesting for
> OFMP.
Seems to be indeed a really good fit with OFMP !

Could we meet to discuss this during ESE ?

Frederic
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #566737 is a reply to message #4461] Sun, 30 September 2007 22:48 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hello Alexander,

> interoperability. The Riena platform will not have this in focus. Rather
> Riena will be a platform for client tier (rich client) and server tier,
>
Equinox does run within the IDE, but in the end it is more or less
already an 'embedded' server. Like most of Eclipse Help also sits on top
of a scaled down web app server like Tomcat or Jetty.

special to provide a homogeneous programming modell on all locations. I
> think SOA typically is not to use for client-side applications. To
> provide 'one' platform for client-side as well as server-side could be
> very interesting.
>

>
>> Do you have a newsgroup yet?
>
> The newsgroup is not already created. The Riena proposal is currently in
> draft state at EMO.

Well, I hope, some of the ideas discussed here might result in
interesting leads for your proposal and possible interactions with other
projects.

Please keep us updated when it's ready?
At least current activity looks promising according to the status color.

Werner
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #566759 is a reply to message #4461] Sun, 30 September 2007 22:51 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Oh and btw, unless you also dropped them a note, please get in touch
with the OHF guys, too. At least the OHF Bridge seems to use Equinox
already a lot, so whatever builds on top of that or OSGi in general
might be useful.

And for Medical applications a user and security model also is very
important (in fact, drafts there indicated, they already have some
progress, so maybe refactoring or reuse could work either one way or
even both...)
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #566843 is a reply to message #5011] Tue, 02 October 2007 16:34 Go to previous message
Alexander Ziegler is currently offline Alexander ZieglerFriend
Messages: 19
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Thank you for the hints. I will do that.

Alexander

Werner Keil schrieb:
> Oh and btw, unless you also dropped them a note, please get in touch
> with the OHF guys, too. At least the OHF Bridge seems to use Equinox
> already a lot, so whatever builds on top of that or OSGi in general
> might be useful.
>
> And for Medical applications a user and security model also is very
> important (in fact, drafts there indicated, they already have some
> progress, so maybe refactoring or reuse could work either one way or
> even both...)
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #566865 is a reply to message #4877] Tue, 02 October 2007 16:46 Go to previous message
Alexander Ziegler is currently offline Alexander ZieglerFriend
Messages: 19
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hello Frederic,

yes me and some other Rienaers stay at ESE.

We have a small booth. I'm looking forward to seeing you there.

Alexander

fred schrieb:
> Alexander Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Hello OFMP-Team,
>
> Hi Alexander,
>
>> I congratulate on your project proposal. I like the idea of OFMP. My
>> best wishes!
> Thanks for your support :)
>
>> OFMP sounds like an enterprise application provides business components
>> from the UI over the communication to the server and persistence, all
>> based on Eclipse and OSGi.
> Indeed
>
>> Maybe for you is interesting the upcoming Riena project proposal. Riena
>> will provide an platform for client and server enterprise application
>> based on Eclipse/Equinox. Using Equinox as core platform and Riena
>> remote services, Riena platform provides an integral programming model
>> to develop components and services regardless of their target location.
>> The Riena platform will cover typical components needed for enterprise
>> applications e.g. remote services, authentication, authorization, object
>> transaction, persistence, and report. Most of these components already
>> exist in Eclipse project. However, Riena will adapt such components and
>> integrates these into the Riena platform.
>>
>> Maybe the technical aspect of Riena platform could be interesting for
>> OFMP.
> Seems to be indeed a really good fit with OFMP !
>
> Could we meet to discuss this during ESE ?
>
> Frederic
Re: OFMP enterprise? [message #566874 is a reply to message #5340] Tue, 02 October 2007 23:01 Go to previous message
Aleksey Aristov is currently offline Aleksey AristovFriend
Messages: 17
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hello!

I'm looking forward to see you there! I see your project proposal as
very interesting. And, I think, there a areas where OFMP may benefit
from your ideas and work.

/AAV

Alexander Ziegler wrote:
> Hello Frederic,
>
> yes me and some other Rienaers stay at ESE.
>
> We have a small booth. I'm looking forward to seeing you there.
>
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